ECNL Expansion In NorCal

Travel was, and still is, a problem.

What makes you think MVLA needs to fly to Utah, Colorado, and Seattle for league games? I understand scheduling a game between MVLA 04 and Real Co 04. Those teams are pretty amazing, so decent opponents are hard to find for them.

But not every NW conference team is that good. Does the Force 09 team really need airplanes to find decent opponents? Maybe they could win a game or two locally, first?

not sure what's the fuss about Ajax and Clovis to join ECNL. I don't think they want to join ECNL....
Clovis has GA already and as far as I know, the players and coaches are happy.
Ajax older teams barely even play at NPL level. Ajax doesn't develop players or coaches - their U little teams are great but coaches just don't know how to develop them, so players started to disappear after teams mature to 11v11 games. After the incident at U12 Statecup - Ajax Coach led bunches of parents into referees tent and harassed / yelled at refs and NorCal Officials - my cousin is one of the refs. I wonder if they will even play NorCal.
as a parent of an ex-ECNL player (she plays college now), meaningful travel is ok. I rather travel to Utah, Colorado, and Seattle to play number one team in that area than travel to Modesto to play a team that coach have the team sit back the whole entire game hoping to tie. That's why older ECNL teams stop playing StateCup.
 
not sure what's the fuss about Ajax and Clovis to join ECNL. I don't think they want to join ECNL....
Clovis has GA already and as far as I know, the players and coaches are happy.
Ajax older teams barely even play at NPL level. Ajax doesn't develop players or coaches - their U little teams are great but coaches just don't know how to develop them, so players started to disappear after teams mature to 11v11 games. After the incident at U12 Statecup - Ajax Coach led bunches of parents into referees tent and harassed / yelled at refs and NorCal Officials - my cousin is one of the refs. I wonder if they will even play NorCal.
as a parent of an ex-ECNL player (she plays college now), meaningful travel is ok. I rather travel to Utah, Colorado, and Seattle to play number one team in that area than travel to Modesto to play a team that coach have the team sit back the whole entire game hoping to tie. That's why older ECNL teams stop playing StateCup.

Once I walked into a youth soccer club office to drop off a check during a meeting of club execs. They had a diagram on the white board to help visualize their 5 year plan for local domination of their competing clubs. It looked vaguely like a plan to win the board game Risk by holding the pinch points Siam and Central America at all costs, and was about as realistic. I laughed and told them maybe they should start by first convincing their players to pay their dues or replace them with kids who would. Like all youth soccer morons, they believed "success" is a team of 12 year old girls winning a soccer game. They had no clue that real success is getting those kids to pay their dues, and not just for today but for six more years. And to do that, they needed to provide those families with value by hiring or retaining coaches who could help those families turn their dues into college opportunity.

That's a long way of saying there is no real fuss. @dad4 is playing his own version of kiddie soccer Risk, in which he has gotten it into his head that the path to glory runs through what in real life is the remotest, shittiest hill to die on the entire map.
 
Once I walked into a youth soccer club office to drop off a check during a meeting of club execs. They had a diagram on the white board to help visualize their 5 year plan for local domination of their competing clubs. It looked vaguely like a plan to win the board game Risk by holding the pinch points Siam and Central America at all costs, and was about as realistic. I laughed and told them maybe they should start by first convincing their players to pay their dues or replace them with kids who would. Like all youth soccer morons, they believed "success" is a team of 12 year old girls winning a soccer game. They had no clue that real success is getting those kids to pay their dues, and not just for today but for six more years. And to do that, they needed to provide those families with value by hiring or retaining coaches who could help those families turn their dues into college opportunity.

That's a long way of saying there is no real fuss. @dad4 is playing his own version of kiddie soccer Risk, in which he has gotten it into his head that the path to glory runs through what in real life is the remotest, shittiest hill to die on the entire map.
If you're advocating for no scholarship players it's easy to do. The club just needs to make the amount paying parents pay variable to the number of scholarship players on the team. More scholoships on the team everyone pays more. Less scholarships on the team everyone pays less. Pretty simple concept.

The problem is clubs dont want to be this transparent b/c they want to win by recruiting talent.

From a business perspective in the long run hidden scholarships will cause revenue problems and ethics challenges.

One of the most egregious ethics issues I've seen was a scholarship player (full ride) that supposedly didnt have enough for club fees but was able to do weekly privates with the coach of the team at $100 an hour.
 
not sure what's the fuss about Ajax and Clovis to join ECNL. I don't think they want to join ECNL....
Clovis has GA already and as far as I know, the players and coaches are happy.
Ajax older teams barely even play at NPL level. Ajax doesn't develop players or coaches - their U little teams are great but coaches just don't know how to develop them, so players started to disappear after teams mature to 11v11 games. After the incident at U12 Statecup - Ajax Coach led bunches of parents into referees tent and harassed / yelled at refs and NorCal Officials - my cousin is one of the refs. I wonder if they will even play NorCal.
as a parent of an ex-ECNL player (she plays college now), meaningful travel is ok. I rather travel to Utah, Colorado, and Seattle to play number one team in that area than travel to Modesto to play a team that coach have the team sit back the whole entire game hoping to tie. That's why older ECNL teams stop playing StateCup.
Sorry to hear about the U12 incident. There is no excuse for that. We’ve all seen games that swung on a bad call, but you have to keep your opinion to yourself when it happens. No reason to go harass some guy who’s just trying his best.

Was this following the San Juan/Ajax game?
 
If you're advocating for no scholarship players it's easy to do. The club just needs to make the amount paying parents pay variable to the number of scholarship players on the team. More scholoships on the team everyone pays more. Less scholarships on the team everyone pays less. Pretty simple concept.

The problem is clubs dont want to be this transparent b/c they want to win by recruiting talent.

From a business perspective in the long run hidden scholarships will cause revenue problems and ethics challenges.

One of the most egregious ethics issues I've seen was a scholarship player (full ride) that supposedly didnt have enough for club fees but was able to do weekly privates with the coach of the team at $100 an hour.

I'm not advocating for no scholarships. I am advocating for making decisions that are financially sound, and putting Ajax and Clovis into ECNL is not that. It may be that a club scholarshipping a kid is good for business, but I can assure you that making any family pay more because a kid on their team isn't paying at all will only end poorly. In fact, although I am sure it has happened, I have never once seen a "scholarship" end well even when it wasn't some freeloader like crush who was pimping out his kid's soccer ability because he's too lazy to get a job.
 
I think that the GDA's failures was less to do with geographical location and more to do with stupid rules. 1) no high school soccer. That took away ALL of the socal schools because all of the kids use that as an avenue to have fun and represent their schools and communities. 2) substitution rules. I once was talking with the DOC from a prominent ECNL club and they expressed frustration with the 3 sub per game rule. How is that developing players when some don't even play in a game. 3) not allowing dual affiliations. That took teams like Force, Mustang, and MVLA have to pick and choose-remember they were founding members of the GDA and first to pull out before it even began. None of those team wanted to also give up HS...

They had the chance to change the landscape and screwed it up royally.
Total control freaks is was what I saw with a Doc who spoke like a soccer pro. Spy's, lies and so much more, it's easy to see why the older women have had issues with the men in charge and have a lawsuit. The men are clueless with the female. I remember driving to Long Beach to take on the powerful Beach FC team during the first year of the now failed league. One family from Chula Vista invited their whole extended family to come watch their the dd, dgd and cousin ball in the new great GDA. The hype was big time folks. "My dd is in the Development Academy with US Soccer." I won;t lie, I bragged a few times....lol! Anyway, the whole family drove from Lancaster, San Diego and LA to see her play. Guess what? No play at all. Zero. Coaches decision. Their daughter and grand daughter sat on the bench. Talk about being humiliated. They drove from Chula Vista ((3 hours at least each way if your lucky)) and they watched their kid get developed from the bench. They left, took their daughter and never came back. That is so sad to do to 7th and 8th grader females. If you have to drive three hours to play a soccer game that you have to pay to play in, then for the Kid's sakes, let them play in the freaking game. The HSS thing was stupid too and they didn't realize that because the head people were either from Europe or never really balled in HS. Clubs were so pissed off at ECNL for blocking them entry. I'm still pissed that Deza took his Force squad to the San Jose Earthquakes mid way during the season. I know my dd Natty wasn;t against all the best and that sucks too.
 
If you're advocating for no scholarship players it's easy to do. The club just needs to make the amount paying parents pay variable to the number of scholarship players on the team. More scholoships on the team everyone pays more. Less scholarships on the team everyone pays less. Pretty simple concept.

The problem is clubs dont want to be this transparent b/c they want to win by recruiting talent.

From a business perspective in the long run hidden scholarships will cause revenue problems and ethics challenges.

One of the most egregious ethics issues I've seen was a scholarship player (full ride) that supposedly didnt have enough for club fees but was able to do weekly privates with the coach of the team at $100 an hour.
Scholarships are not meant for poor people. That is called a handout. If your kid can ball, clubs were handing our full rides to 12 year olds back in 2017. It was the #1 selling point to be a part of the GDA. The GDA club needed to be fully funded and sold that to us. No more pay to play i was told and if I was a nice daddy and kept my big mouth shut, I could receive more prizes for my kid. That's weird and creepy all in one. That is a fact and I bet the fact checker will agree with me.
 
Total control freaks is was what I saw with a Doc who spoke like a soccer pro. Spy's, lies and so much more, it's easy to see why the older women have had issues with the men in charge and have a lawsuit. The men are clueless with the female. I remember driving to Long Beach to take on the powerful Beach FC team during the first year of the now failed league. One family from Chula Vista invited their whole extended family to come watch their the dd, dgd and cousin ball in the new great GDA. The hype was big time folks. "My dd is in the Development Academy with US Soccer." I won;t lie, I bragged a few times....lol! Anyway, the whole family drove from Lancaster, San Diego and LA to see her play. Guess what? No play at all. Zero. Coaches decision. Their daughter and grand daughter sat on the bench. Talk about being humiliated. They drove from Chula Vista ((3 hours at least each way if your lucky)) and they watched their kid get developed from the bench. They left, took their daughter and never came back. That is so sad to do to 7th and 8th grader females. If you have to drive three hours to play a soccer game that you have to pay to play in, then for the Kid's sakes, let them play in the freaking game. The HSS thing was stupid too and they didn't realize that because the head people were either from Europe or never really balled in HS. Clubs were so pissed off at ECNL for blocking them entry. I'm still pissed that Deza took his Force squad to the San Jose Earthquakes mid way during the season. I know my dd Natty wasn;t against all the best and that sucks too.

Deza did not take anyone mid-season. He did not solicit a single player to leave early, or at all. In fact, he told all of them to stay through the end of the season, but one team bailed early because their situation was intolerable at Force at Deza left. You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
Deza did not take anyone mid-season. He did not solicit a single player to leave early, or at all. In fact, he told all of them to stay through the end of the season, but one team bailed early because their situation was intolerable at Force at Deza left. You have no idea what you are talking about.
That's a lie dude. Trust me, I have it all!!! I was looking for the best competition money could buy me back then. I flew up to Seattle for Far West Regionals and no freaking Force. Clearly they had one of the best teams and they went for the greener pasture to San Jose and the connections. I get it but that is not trying to win a championship. Why play soccer?
 
That's a lie dude. Trust me, I have it all!!! I was looking for the best competition money could buy me back then. I flew up to Seattle for Far West Regionals and no freaking Force. Clearly they had one of the best teams and they went for the greener pasture to San Jose and the connections. I get it but that is not trying to win a championship. Why play soccer?

I see. You are bitter that Deza left Force five years after the fact because it meant your middle school daughter wasn't able to show him how she was so good that she was going to go pro straight out of HS? Deza should have declined the job at Quakes just to make sure an unemployed freeloader dad down south got to continue his delusions of grandeur about his kid for another day. Man, you are one fucked up fella. Do you think your daughter not being able to play Force when she was in middle school was the catalyst that eventually resulted in a putting a pro career at 18 out of range?
 
I see. You are bitter that Deza left Force five years after the fact because it meant your middle school daughter wasn't able to show him how she was so good that she was going to go pro straight out of HS? Deza should have declined the job at Quakes just to make sure an unemployed freeloader dad down south got to continue his delusions of grandeur about his kid for another day. Man, you are one fucked up fella. Do you think your daughter not being able to play Force when she was in middle school was the catalyst that eventually resulted in a putting a pro career at 18 out of range?
Well, he did meet her again when her team beat his team 2-0. She got both goals too.....lol!!!
 
Man, you are one fucked up fella.
That is actually what you think about yourself. When I act like you, it's the same for me too, so don;t take it personally. I have changed sir. I just want the TRUTH to come out, how about you?
 
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As much as GoldenGate sounds like a major asshole, I think he is right about ECNL in NorCal. ECNL isn't about doing the right thing for youth soccer, it's about doing the right thing for their and their associated clubs bottom lines. And that is why I hate it. That said, don't hate the player, hate the game.
 
ECNL in NorCal is mostly influenced by 3 clubs that have no interests in adding clubs in Nor Cal. Its a country club where membership is limited and they know they have a fertile paying parent group that will go along with pretty much anything they want to do. Parents would pay for more travel if they were told this is what they are doing.
 
ECNL in NorCal is mostly influenced by 3 clubs that have no interests in adding clubs in Nor Cal. Its a country club where membership is limited and they know they have a fertile paying parent group that will go along with pretty much anything they want to do. Parents would pay for more travel if they were told this is what they are doing.
As a practical matter, some teams at those three clubs are at or near the top in the nation. Parents on those teams pay for travel because that’s the only way to get close games.

I do think ECNL needs to think hard about how to reduce travel, and how to be honest about team strength. Some of the teams are not very good. Flying them all over the place is a very expensive game of pretend.
 
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It's so funny how people outside of ECNL complained travel for ECNL parents. you criticized force 09 not being good in other post - this made me think how a bunch of players left force to join another small club few years ago without realizing that particular head coach (even nationally known) had burned bridges within soccer communities and it's not possible for any club he related to to join ECNL. Now there is rumor that this head coach is going back to "help" US soccer, wonder if he will ditch the team like Deza...
Sorry to hear about the U12 incident. There is no excuse for that. We’ve all seen games that swung on a bad call, but you have to keep your opinion to yourself when it happens. No reason to go harass some guy who’s just trying his best.

Was this following the San Juan/Ajax game?

 

It's so funny how people outside of ECNL complained travel for ECNL parents. you criticized force 09 not being good in other post - this made me think how a bunch of players left force to join another small club few years ago without realizing that particular head coach (even nationally known) had burned bridges within soccer communities and it's not possible for any club he related to to join ECNL. Now there is rumor that this head coach is going back to "help" US soccer, wonder if he will ditch the team like Deza...


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As much as GoldenGate sounds like a major asshole, I think he is right about ECNL in NorCal. ECNL isn't about doing the right thing for youth soccer, it's about doing the right thing for their and their associated clubs bottom lines. And that is why I hate it. That said, don't hate the player, hate the game.

This is all wrong. ECNL clubs are doing what is best for their customers and, frankly, for any girl who wants to best leverage their soccer ability and turn it into college opportunity, and is committed to putting in the work. ECNL has been great for youth soccer. In fact, it has been the best thing that has ever happened to youth soccer for elite girls, for our WNT, and for college soccer.

ECNL doesn't owe Ajax or Clovis or their customers anything. The existing ECNL NorCal clubs worked hard for decades to create stable and successful girls' programs at the older age groups, which is not something Ajax or Clovis can say. The ECNL clubs created their league from their blood, sweat and tears most before one of those clubs existed and when the other sucked at older age groups (and still does). Neither Ajax or Clovis is entitled to entrance into ECNL simply because they have some big pre-pubescent kids who helped them win games at U11, but who always leave because the club is too cheap to pay for coaches and facilities that can actually develop them once technical ability becomes as important as being big and strong. "Doing the right thing for youth soccer" does not include allowing clubs into ECNL that are located in remote locations and have done nothing to prove that they can develop older girls in a consistent and financially sound manner. If they want to be in ECNL, they need to provide value rather than just whine how it isn't fair that they don't get a seat at the table in a house they did nothing to build.

The idea that ECNL is only about doing what is best for their bottom lines is absolute b.s. ECNL has been integral to maximizing the development of such a large group of girls that contributed greatly to the longest and most successful run of success that the WNT has ever had. Before ECNL, girls soccer was a joke that virtually always took a back seat to the boys with respect to access, development opportunities and facilities.

Without ECNL, there would be no professional youth coaches on the girls side like Deza, Montoya, Bobak and many others. They only coach girls because they can make a relatively stable and decent income doing it. Otherwise, they would have taken their value as soccer coaches where they could make a decent living (boys), or done something else. If, like in the old days, teams could get "relegated" to lower divisions if they didn't win enough games in a season, every year great coaches would get laid off when teams and entire clubs imploded just because some kids got hurt so they didn't win enough games, or some other yahoo club managed to find a bruiser somewhere to sneak into the higher bracket, probably by jeopardizing its financial stability offering free handouts. Without ECNL, teams would need to put winning games at all costs ahead of development. If you knew anything about Deza, for example, you would know he never plays to win games, it is always about development. It doesn't matter how often a goalie or defender turns the ball over, they are going to play it out of the back always. In fact, it is astounding to see parents wigging out when Deza brings over a player during the middle of a game and has an extended discussion with them, sometimes for five minutes, making the rest of the team play a player down in tight games. You not see this if losing games risked the team getting relegated and then the kids having to change clubs to keep developing against top competition. It would be impossible to emphasize development over winning without ECNL. You'd also have yahoo idiot coaches rushing kids back from serious injury because they really need that win to stay in the top league because, if they don't, everyone is bailing to another team.

Without ECNL, you would also continue to see the race to the bottom when financially unstable clubs provided "scholarships" to induce kids at well-run and financially stable clubs, making all clubs financially unstable all the time. You'd have clubs with one great team one year, and the entire club gone the next. You'd have clubs with teams at the top level folding in mid-season. You would have kids bouncing all over the place every year. All of that is bad for youth soccer.

Without ECNL, you would never have seen the investments that clubs have been able to make to support girls soccer. It is only when a club has the stability that comes with being in ECNL without having to run the risk every year it will collapse that clubs can consistently draw high level players and the income they provide.

Without ECNL, we would be back to daddy ball on the girls side, not developing girls like boys, and the girls being treated as second rate at clubs and having to play on lesser fields, with lesser coaches, and travel over greater distances to do it to places like, gee, Modesto and Clovis just to play even shitty teams. Instead, we have a platform that has made girls' youth soccer into a college admissions machine like nothing any other sport or activity in the entire United States has been able to even touch.

The freeloaders and cheapskates who want top quality training without having to pay for it, don't understand that without ECNL, there would be no top quality training, the WNT would be crap, and the hassle of dealing with petty idiots all the time would drive most kids out of the sport. It be exactly like it was 25 years ago. ECNL provides necessary stability. If a parent in Modesto or Fresno wants to be a part of that, they can get in the car and go where elite soccer makes sense, just like those before them.
 
Sorry to hear about the U12 incident. There is no excuse for that. We’ve all seen games that swung on a bad call, but you have to keep your opinion to yourself when it happens. No reason to go harass some guy who’s just trying his best.

Was this following the San Juan/Ajax game?

Like I said, riff raff. One of the great joys of being a parent with a kid in ECNL is not having to deal with this kind of b.s. on the sidelines. Places like Modesto, Placer and Fresno are notorious for this kind of crap.
 
This is all wrong. ECNL clubs are doing what is best for their customers and, frankly, for any girl who wants to best leverage their soccer ability and turn it into college opportunity, and is committed to putting in the work. ECNL has been great for youth soccer. In fact, it has been the best thing that has ever happened to youth soccer for elite girls, for our WNT, and for college soccer.
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The freeloaders and cheapskates who want top quality training without having to pay for it, don't understand that without ECNL, there would be no top quality training, the WNT would be crap, and the hassle of dealing with petty idiots all the time would drive most kids out of the sport. It be exactly like it was 25 years ago. ECNL provides necessary stability. If a parent in Modesto or Fresno wants to be a part of that, they can get in the car and go where elite soccer makes sense, just like those before them.

Unfortunately for you the few valid points you have comes with a load of bull shit. ECNL is about their bottom lines...there is zero reason other than a bunch a snobby ass parents such as yourself to not have ECNL in the Central Valley *if* ECNL was about the betterment of youth soccer. The talent is there no doubt. They just need the opportunity...you can say whatever you want about that, but you are wrong.
 
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