ECNL Expansion and Contraction? MLS2?

Carlsbad7 said:
I'll just leave this here. Read through the link...

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MLS to collaborate with the Girls Academy, largest all-girls youth soccer organization in USA | MLSSoccer.com

MLS to collaborate with the Girls Academy, US's largest all-girls youth soccer organization
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These 2 articles are both telling you the same thing I'm telling you. MLS shared 1 advisor to give advice to help start GAL because a few of the directors from NON Academy MLS next clubs wanted to start up GAL to make money since they weren't accepted into ECNL.

Both articles are outdated because GAL is no longer supported by USYS and no longer working with USYS.

Nothing real has happened since those articles to connect the MLS Next and GAL entities.

MLS academies do not have GAL clubs, but they do have ECNL clubs: for example: Portland Thorns ECNL is a part of Portland Timbers MLS team and Portland Thorns NWSL team.
 
sockma said:
These 2 articles are both telling you the same thing I'm telling you. MLS shared 1 advisor to give advice to help start GAL because a few of the directors from NON Academy MLS next clubs wanted to start up GAL to make money since they weren't accepted into ECNL.

Both articles are outdated because GAL is no longer supported by USYS and no longer working with USYS.

Nothing real has happened since those articles to connect the MLS Next and GAL entities.

MLS academies do not have GAL clubs, but they do have ECNL clubs: for example: Portland Thorns ECNL is a part of Portland Timbers MLS team and Portland Thorns NWSL team.
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Might be true (I haven't looked into it deeply) but the reason businesses put people they know on other boards of businesses + leadership positions that are like is to keep a connection between the two entities.

Theres clearly a relationship between Next and GA not sure how formal it is but that will come over time.

What I said about ECNL is that they're forcing clubs into being both Girls and Boys if they want to get into Girls ECNL. This wont work in the long run + people like choice + not being forced into an action.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Might be true (I haven't looked into it deeply) but the reason businesses put people they know on other boards of businesses + leadership positions that are like is to keep a connection between the two entities.

Theres clearly a relationship between Next and GA not sure how formal it is but that will come over time.

What I said about ECNL is that they're forcing clubs into being both Girls and Boys if they want to get into Girls ECNL. This wont work in the long run + people like choice + not being forced into an action.
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Yup you nailed it.

In addition, the difficulties with the ea are resulting from the mls next teams back east pulling their second teams into the new national academy league. For the time being ea remains strong in the south west But has been weakened nationally (hence the move from some non mls clubs into ecnl) The big question is what happens then in SoCal either this (getting a little late for it) or definitely next year.

as to the level of competition since the second teams are always subject to the needs of the first team, it’s possible the level of competition in the national academy league is less than the ea (though there’s been some discussion of double rostering…being able to switch players so mls next benchers get more play time, some of which, because of sub limits, wind up with none particularly 2nd or 3rd gks…haven’t heard how this came out).

we have to wait for the next shoe to drop. Meanwhile the mls academies are arguing over what to do with their benchers and pre mls next teams. Their agenda is completely different than the non academy teams and ecnl has given them historically more of a pass re participation of their girls teams, which are technically structured as affiliates anyways king of like lafc mls next and lafc real so cal ecnl is with the boys.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
Might be true (I haven't looked into it deeply) but the reason businesses put people they know on other boards of businesses + leadership positions that are like is to keep a connection between the two entities.

Theres clearly a relationship between Next and GA not sure how formal it is but that will come over time.

What I said about ECNL is that they're forcing clubs into being both Girls and Boys if they want to get into Girls ECNL. This wont work in the long run + people like choice + not being forced into an action.
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Were all tired of the either or put to us. Either you do as told & STFU or else. It should always have been both and. Talk about control freaks in soccer. Everyone wants to make money off the girls parents. What do the girls get?
 
sockma said:
Both articles are outdated because GAL is no longer supported by USYS and no longer working with USYS.
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Does anyone know when this happened? Has to have been in the past couple months. I wonder if the USYS Elite 64 program caused the split? Now GA is under the US Slowpitch Softball Association (USSSA) with DPL. That doesn't sound like a money grab organization at all .
 
Code said:
Does anyone know when this happened? Has to have been in the past couple months. I wonder if the USYS Elite 64 program caused the split? Now GA is under the US Slowpitch Softball Association (USSSA) with DPL. That doesn't sound like a money grab organization at all .
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I looked that up as well + was thinking the same thing. Very weird/odd.
 
Code said:
Does anyone know when this happened? Has to have been in the past couple months. I wonder if the USYS Elite 64 program caused the split? Now GA is under the US Slowpitch Softball Association (USSSA) with DPL. That doesn't sound like a money grab organization at all .
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It happened last year around the time E64 was started. The Elite 64 was the last straw because GA wasn't working with USYS at all. They were unwilling to put them in any USYS leagues, like ODP or regional play in leagues (CRL). GAL wanted a monopoly of all the girls in their GAL league without involving USYS.

MLS teams have shown their preference to ECNL for their girls program - LAFC So Cal is another example. They could have easily chosen a GA team in LA but they chose not to and instead picked an ECNL team.

It's very clear that MLS is not supporting GA. USYS is also not supporting GA. Both items GA promised in those articles turned out to be false now and yet you are still peddling it.

Current Facts and Actions by the MLS teams show that they are supporting ECNL for girls, not GA.

I think kids should play where the best coaches are and the best group of kids are, irrelevant of league or level. But peddling false information to promote the GA league is not right to those viewing this thread.
 
sockma said:
It happened last year around the time E64 was started. The Elite 64 was the last straw because GA wasn't working with USYS at all. They were unwilling to put them in any USYS leagues, like ODP or regional play in leagues (CRL). GAL wanted a monopoly of all the girls in their GAL league without involving USYS.

MLS teams have shown their preference to ECNL for their girls program - LAFC So Cal is another example. They could have easily chosen a GA team in LA but they chose not to and instead picked an ECNL team.

It's very clear that MLS is not supporting GA. USYS is also not supporting GA. Both items GA promised in those articles turned out to be false now and yet you are still peddling it.

Current Facts and Actions by the MLS teams show that they are supporting ECNL for girls, not GA.

I think kids should play where the best coaches are and the best group of kids are, irrelevant of league or level. But peddling false information to promote the GA league is not right to those viewing this thread.
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So you're saying that USYS got mad at GA because GA was acting like all closed leages act + not accepting unestablished teams in? (Which btw is exactly what ECNL does)

If this was the case it would make sense that GA left USYS. Why would a league allow a sanctioning body make decisions about who is in/out of the league?
 
sockma said:
It happened last year around the time E64 was started. The Elite 64 was the last straw because GA wasn't working with USYS at all. They were unwilling to put them in any USYS leagues, like ODP or regional play in leagues (CRL). GAL wanted a monopoly of all the girls in their GAL league without involving USYS.

MLS teams have shown their preference to ECNL for their girls program - LAFC So Cal is another example. They could have easily chosen a GA team in LA but they chose not to and instead picked an ECNL team.

It's very clear that MLS is not supporting GA. USYS is also not supporting GA. Both items GA promised in those articles turned out to be false now and yet you are still peddling it.

Current Facts and Actions by the MLS teams show that they are supporting ECNL for girls, not GA.

I think kids should play where the best coaches are and the best group of kids are, irrelevant of league or level. But peddling false information to promote the GA league is not right to those viewing this thread.
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What is it exactly I am peddling? Must be my Mountain Bike because I have been predicting the fall of GA to a Tier 3 League on these forums for well over a year now. Seems like you are just a bit too eager to argue with people, and forgot to read the content of other people's posts.
 
sockma said:
It happened last year around the time E64 was started. The Elite 64 was the last straw because GA wasn't working with USYS at all. They were unwilling to put them in any USYS leagues, like ODP or regional play in leagues (CRL). GAL wanted a monopoly of all the girls in their GAL league without involving USYS.

MLS teams have shown their preference to ECNL for their girls program - LAFC So Cal is another example. They could have easily chosen a GA team in LA but they chose not to and instead picked an ECNL team.

It's very clear that MLS is not supporting GA. USYS is also not supporting GA. Both items GA promised in those articles turned out to be false now and yet you are still peddling it.

Current Facts and Actions by the MLS teams show that they are supporting ECNL for girls, not GA.

I think kids should play where the best coaches are and the best group of kids are, irrelevant of league or level. But peddling false information to promote the GA league is not right to those viewing this thread.
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There's a small inaccuracy here. LAFC SoCal, in contrast to the usual policy ECNL enforces that the top boys team needs to play ECNL, has an ECNL boys team (full ECNL....not ECRL). The reason (presumably) is that LAFC SoCAL is only an affiliate deal (they get to wear the jersey and cooperate with LAFC such as with games and special trainings but the entities remain separately...LAFC does not own and control LAFC SoCAL which is the old Real SoCal club with just a name change). It's like the old Galaxy affiliate deals....just because Galaxy Conejo and Galaxy South Bay wore the Galaxy jersey doesn't mean they were run by the LA Galaxy....in fact the confusion was one of the factors in the LA Galaxy pulling all the old affiliate deals. You are right, however, that one of the motivating factors in LAFC doing this affiliate arrangement was to have the girls get access to ECNL. Easy way to handwave and say "hey look what we are doing for the girls" by plugging in to an establish girls program rather than build their own.
 
Code said:
What is it exactly I am peddling? Must be my Mountain Bike because I have been predicting the fall of GA to a Tier 3 League on these forums for well over a year now. Seems like you are just a bit too eager to argue with people, and forgot to read the content of other people's posts.
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Not you .... Carlsbad7
 
Carlsbad7 said:
So you're saying that USYS got mad at GA because GA was acting like all closed leages act + not accepting unestablished teams in? (Which btw is exactly what ECNL does)

If this was the case it would make sense that GA left USYS. Why would a league allow a sanctioning body make decisions about who is in/out of the league?
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USYS ended their relationship with GA because GA lied and didn't live up to their agreements with USYS. GA promoted their relationship with USYS in order to get credibility within the soccer community but then turned around and treated USYS like a servant.

I'm not here to defend ECNL. I think it's silly they didn't have an open system to promote clubs that have proven themselves over time. However, I've heard rumors that the ECRL method is the way they will be doing this going forward. It has worked for some clubs who took the opportunity offered. Pats, Beach and Legends were given this opportunity and took it. All 3 are now ECNL clubs.
 
Code said:
What is it exactly I am peddling? Must be my Mountain Bike because I have been predicting the fall of GA to a Tier 3 League on these forums for well over a year now. Seems like you are just a bit too eager to argue with people, and forgot to read the content of other people's posts.
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Though you never know with youth soccer, the most likely scenario in the coming years, if MLS is pressured to finally build a girls academy system to keep up with europes academy system
sockma said:
USYS ended their relationship with GA because GA lied and didn't live up to their agreements with USYS. GA promoted their relationship with USYS in order to get credibility within the soccer community but then turned around and treated USYS like a servant.

I'm not here to defend ECNL. I think it's silly they didn't have an open system to promote clubs that have proven themselves over time. However, I've heard rumors that the ECRL method is the way they will be doing this going forward. It has worked for some clubs who took the opportunity offered. Pats, Beach and Legends were given this opportunity and took it. All 3 are now ECNL clubs.
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They are doing that on the boys side right now with ercl and eagles. Did not offer them ecnl immediately

one Possible future if nda does collapse the ea is that the top non mls affiliated clubs go the ecrl route for which they will also put up girls teams. Mls remains undisputed 1 on the boys side, 2 is split by nda and ecnl with ecnl slightly stronger, ea sinks to 3 split with
ecrl. Boys side will be more streamlined

for the girls though this means more league dilution in the short term (folks are constantly complaining on these forums that such and such club doesn’t belong in ecnl). Eventually though the womens Side will, for equity reasons, be required to put up a small academy system. It’s inevitable or the Uswnt will fall below Europe. Then they’ll need cannon fodder to practice against (which is all mls next is for the academy teams). Unless that academy league is ecnl (and it won’t be so long as ecnl insists the top boys team must play in its league) that’s the permanent relegation of ecnl to the second level along with the boys.
 
Grace T. said:
Though you never know with youth soccer, the most likely scenario in the coming years, if MLS is pressured to finally build a girls academy system to keep up with europes academy system


They are doing that on the boys side right now with ercl and eagles. Did not offer them ecnl immediately

one Possible future if nda does collapse the ea is that the top non mls affiliated clubs go the ecrl route for which they will also put up girls teams. Mls remains undisputed 1 on the boys side, 2 is split by nda and ecnl with ecnl slightly stronger, ea sinks to 3 split with
ecrl. Boys side will be more streamlined

for the girls though this means more league dilution in the short term (folks are constantly complaining on these forums that such and such club doesn’t belong in ecnl). Eventually though the womens Side will, for equity reasons, be required to put up a small academy system. It’s inevitable or the Uswnt will fall below Europe. Then they’ll need cannon fodder to practice against (which is all mls next is for the academy teams). Unless that academy league is ecnl (and it won’t be so long as ecnl insists the top boys team must play in its league) that’s the permanent relegation of ecnl to the second level along with the boys.
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Ps the thing that should most freak out ecnl is the entry of the la bulls into mls next. La bulls was selected despite the fact its boys side did not have an ea league and its record was mediocre with a few bright spots. They passed over several established proven clubs to admit the la bulls. The la bulls has been advertising that girls should come out to mls next trials. Only the Younger’s teams were made mls next and we know by about age 14 the girls cannot keep up generally with the boys. So why would the la bulls take on girls with no ecnl safety net? My guess considering how many of the directorate and coaches are women (and that this was a selling point to the mls) that they are positioning to be ready to go when a women’s academy system is set
 
BBJ said:
Do you have anything to back this up?
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BBJ said:
I still haven’t seen anyone post the source to support the statement that DeAnza is leaving ECNL. Kinda dangerous to assert that without backing it up right before try outs start …
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There are a number of references online in FB soccer groups that it's no longer going to be possible to have both MLS Next teams and ECNL teams in the same club next season; it's affecting more than just DeAnza. It's unclear whether the actual rule/policy change was primarily driven by one entity or the other - but it certainly appears to be a legitimate concern that people are dealing with before the upcoming season.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
There are a number of references online in FB soccer groups that it's no longer going to be possible to have both MLS Next teams and ECNL teams in the same club next season; it's affecting more than just DeAnza. It's unclear whether the actual rule/policy change was primarily driven by one entity or the other - but it certainly appears to be a legitimate concern that people are dealing with before the upcoming season.
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Post 1003.
This is also hard for the coach who is in the dark by the Doc. Doc put's pressure on him/her/them to get those sign ups big time at this time of the year.

Coach: Your dd made my team for next year, congrats
Parent: That's great coach. What league will we be in
Coach: ECNL
Parent: I'm hearing from the rumor mill that were getting kicked out
Coach: Stop going to the socal soccer forum
Parent: What's that
Coach: Never mind. Stop listening to the gossip. This happens every year

GM parent: (best pals with coach calls concerned parent): It doesn't matter what league our kid plays in. What matters is that we all stick together. It's about the team and the coach Dad. Let's be loyal to the club bro.
Parent: Are you sure. We got another offer from XYZ club but we need to decide today, yay or nay
GM: Like I said, who cares what league. College coaches don't care and our coach knows everyone in college. Plus, college coaches hate club hoppers. Be loyal first is my families motto. Look what happen to Crush's dd
Parent: OK, I'll stay. (Parent pays up front for 10% discount and is all in because all the other offers are now off the table)

Two weeks later coach calls for a emergency family meeting to let the parents know they were kicked out of ECNL (no fault of their own because) & excepted into DPL (Or the GAL League) and gives the sells pitch why that is so awesome.

Two weeks after that, Coach resigns and is now at a new ECNL team and is poaching his Best player(s) to follow them to the new team.

Good luck you guys.

Good luck you guys and I mean that 100%. This happen to my dd three years in a row before she aged out.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
There are a number of references online in FB soccer groups that it's no longer going to be possible to have both MLS Next teams and ECNL teams in the same club next season; it's affecting more than just DeAnza. It's unclear whether the actual rule/policy change was primarily driven by one entity or the other - but it certainly appears to be a legitimate concern that people are dealing with before the upcoming season.
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Does this apply to just boys or both boys and girls ECNL?

Either way (if true) it's a poor business decision. Akin to taking the ball and going home if ECNL doesnt get it's way. Players will just find a new ball to play with while ECNL sidelines itself.
 
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