D1 college soccer under threat

MacDre said:
I don’t think your club can provide the same opportunities as a fully funded program by LAFC for example. So I think in the future kids will be limited by small clubs that lack resources. I also think they are limited by mentality. A kid in an environment wanting to go pro is in a cutthroat environment and that produces a different player than one developed in an environment with a goal of “going to college for the experience.”
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And what happens in that cutthroat world when it doesn't pan out and their limited education is not good enough because they were focused on sport? I am not speaking of your child in private school studying three languages because that is not the majority. I am talking about little Johnny who goes to a club thinking at 15 he is going pro. He blows his knee out at 17 or 18 and the schooling isn't good enough to get him into University? what then? Does the pro-club care about the asset that loses value. Ask some of those Sunday league amateur soccer player full time bartenders in England. No sport should be bet and played on building a pro .
 
MacDre said:
I don’t think your club can provide the same opportunities as a fully funded program by LAFC for example. So I think in the future kids will be limited by small clubs that lack resources. I also think they are limited by mentality. A kid in an environment wanting to go pro is in a cutthroat environment and that produces a different player than one developed in an environment with a goal of “going to college for the experience.”
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Bingo!! My dd wanted to go pro at 13 just like I did when i was 13. I asked her why and she told me. I then observe her abilities against other top players ((some pro today)) and I see success so i say, "cool, let's see where this goes." Three top clubs in SoCal all preached that to her and our family and even said that the top 2% of the players will be skipping college in the future. So when the same Cat in his sweat suit who preached pro, comes back and preaches college the next day, that sucks!!!! That is all I'm trying to get at. I'm not being ungrateful either. I didnlt sign my dd up to get scouted by college coaches in 7th and 8th grade coach @vegasguy. I signed her up to get scouted by the YNT scouts and I was told pro will be looking too. If you were sold college and then they switched to pro, you would be upset too bro. I was in the 1% of all the parents. In fact, people said I was ungrateful that this coach and that coach came and did little drills for our clubs back then. I was the only one mad and now I know why. No harm and no foul for some, but my dd and I were made to look like fools and when someone deliberately goes out of their way to label us as club hoppers and warnings of being blacklisted by college coaches that I never asked to at my look dd in the first place is not cool with me.
 
MacDre said:
I don’t understand the love affair with D1 sports. Most that I know hated the experience because it was akin to working full time while going to school. They did only because they were gonna eventually make millions.
College soccer players aren’t going to make millions so why not club sports?
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LOL there's not a single female that ever played DI anything that expected to make millions. Every female that plays a D1 sport does it because she loves the game and maybe because it helped her with college costs and/or get into a school she otherwise might not have gotten into. The path to pro soccer is brighter than it's ever been right now, and still most female "pros" just hope that their parents don't have to subsidize them while they play.
 
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vegasguy said:
What sounds like entitlement? Trust me I am in it. I know the cost of colleges. I see it every day. You say push your kid push your kid.. no days off... I see your side.. Isn't taking a tough college schedule and playing a college sport pushing yourself. Why limit yourself. In the real world it is rare that a CEO with honors is different that a CEO without graduating with Honors. When you start your own company no one asks your college grade point average as a matter of fact they do not do it in corporate world either.
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The point is that we should be encouraging kids to think critically and make good decisions. So, explain to me how varsity soccer is more beneficial than club? Club teams can have school spirit. Is this about young people playing the sport they love or about parents attaining the “D1 trophy?”
 
Soccerfan2 said:
LOL there's not a single female that ever played DI anything that expected to make millions. Every female that plays a D1 sport does it because she loves the game and maybe because it helped her with college costs and/or get into a school she otherwise might not have gotten into. The path to pro soccer is brighter than it's ever been right now, and still most female "pros" just hope that their parents don't have to subsidize them while they play.
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Useless facts. Your point?
 
espola said:
I watched about 7 minutes and I couldn't tell which team was playing "possession".
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Ok. I didn't pre screen the game for possession. Maybe I picked a bumblebee game.

But those are two of the top norcal clubs, so it should help him see what each club aims for.
 
dad4 said:
If you are looking for possession and playing it from the back, you can always try MVLA.

Link to a game between MVLA and San Juan. Olders, so it should let you see what each club tries to focus on.

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Dirty bro. I will put that Earthquaker 0-7 loss to Blues u17 up here when I get it. Earthquakes are not good at all. 7-0 to Blues????
 
MacDre said:
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The point is that we should be encouraging kids to think critically and make good decisions. So, explain to me how varsity soccer is more beneficial than club? Club teams can have school spirit. Is this about young people playing the sport they love or about parents attaining the “D1 trophy?”
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Hey coach, I want you to answer me. I’m feeling myself!

 
Ellejustus said:
Bingo!! My dd wanted to go pro at 13 just like I did when i was 13. I asked her why and she told me. I then observe her abilities against other top players ((some pro today)) and I see success so i say, "cool, let's see where this goes." Three top clubs in SoCal all preached that to her and our family and even said that the top 2% of the players will be skipping college in the future. So when the same Cat in his sweat suit who preached pro, comes back and preaches college the next day, that sucks!!!! That is all I'm trying to get at. I'm not being ungrateful either. I didnlt sign my dd up to get scouted by college coaches in 7th and 8th grade coach @vegasguy. I signed her up to get scouted by the YNT scouts and I was told pro will be looking too. If you were sold college and then they switched to pro, you would be upset too bro. I was in the 1% of all the parents. In fact, people said I was ungrateful that this coach and that coach came and did little drills for our clubs back then. I was the only one mad and now I know why. No harm and no foul for some, but my dd and I were made to look like fools and when someone deliberately goes out of their way to label us as club hoppers and warnings of being blacklisted by college coaches that I never asked to at my look dd in the first place is not cool with me.
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That is your experience. You act as though you are the majority. If you are only signing your daughter up for YNT check your priorities. There is more to sport than being in the less than 1% . sport teaches you so much more. I am sure your daughter will show leadership and perseverance in the future which is more important that any medal hanging in a closet. But again, my coaching philosophy is different.
 
vegasguy said:
That is your experience. You act as though you are the majority. If you are only signing your daughter up for YNT check your priorities. There is more to sport than being in the less than 1% . sport teaches you so much more. I am sure your daughter will show leadership and perseverance in the future which is more important that any medal hanging in a closet. But again, my coaching philosophy is different.
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I have some beachfront properties by the swamp for sale if you’re interested.
 
vegasguy said:
That is your experience. You act as though you are the majority. If you are only signing your daughter up for YNT check your priorities. There is more to sport than being in the less than 1% . sport teaches you so much more. I am sure your daughter will show leadership and perseverance in the future which is more important that any medal hanging in a closet. But again, my coaching philosophy is different.
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That's BS Coach!!! If you ever here from my dd, you will know exactly what her goals were in 7th & 8th grade. Her family was 100% behind her. What my dd really learned in the life lesson was how some adults lie & cheat and lie some more coach. Not all either. Bad behavior brotha and it was all watched by her. We haven;t played club really for two years bro. On the sidelines watching all this sh*t unfold and seeing all these girls quit soccer. Yup, we in the 1% and look at what's going on in the world and the world of soccer. Time for some big changes. I tried so hard to get out of this sport, you have no idea soccer coach. Every time I try and walk from all this political crap, she begs me and sheds real tears about her love for this game and wanting more of it.
 
MacDre said:
The point is that we should be encouraging kids to think critically and make good decisions. So, explain to me how varsity soccer is more beneficial than club? Club teams can have school spirit. Is this about young people playing the sport they love or about parents attaining the “D1 trophy?”
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D1 teams train much harder than club teams. One of the reasons is scholarships. You mention that you know many professional players that hated college sports. Boohoo for them. I hated working 30 hours/week at Burger King but I did it anyway to pay for my schooling and get a degree. College sports sound like much more fun than scrubbing fry racks and tomato slicers at 2:00 AM.

The USA is not like other countries. Over the years college sports have worked as excellent training for professional football, basketball and to some extent baseball players. We have the existing infrastructure of practice fields, stadiums, and other training facilities. College (and high school) soccer can be part of our training system for future professional players and have the added feature of providing an education for players that do not become professional. College sports also provide training for other students beside athletes like sports medicine, physical therapy, sports psychology, event management, etc.

I am happy that your DD is finding an alternate path that works for her, but it will be a long time before the Mexican WNT is anywhere near to the level of play of Stanford's women's team. I agree there are many things that are wrong with NCAA soccer, but that does not mean it is irrelevant or should be discarded.
 
Lots of talk about pro women’s soccer for $50k a year top end opportunity in the US? What do they pay in the Mexican Women’s League and Europe? Same/Less??? Seems like tripping over dollars to pick up pennies in my book.

Committed, smart, talented young ladies that get very good grades can get into a great school (possibly in part because they are pretty good at soccer), get some scholarship money, grants, and aid to complete the education and come out with $60-75K out of school. Plus add the years of experience the student athlete will be ahead of the pro player chasing the dream...I think in the majority of cases the Women’s College Soccer Student/Athlete comes out on top financially and ahead career wise in the vast majority of cases. That’s one opinion, and I’m sure there are others.

Hopefully that changes and the women pro players will make more, but until the Women’s Pro Game can generate the income with sponsorships, attendance, partnerships, etc. there is going to be a gap until there is a significant paradigm shift in investment and the general public’s taste. Look at the WNBA...top salary is $215k. Best women’s league in the world for women’s BBall - 22 years old.

Why play collegiate sports? Lots of reasons...people have been discussing on here for days. Makes sense to some, not others. There is a lot to be learned in life outside the classroom. Hope everybody and their kids get to where they want to be and enjoy their journey getting there.
 
I already have and you chose to ignore it. You changed the subject. I have played both college varsity (although not alot) and college club. College club, you pay for it yourself, you coach yourself or rely on a volunteer coach, you travel drink and have a great time. No fans and a different level of competition. You play for fun and teammates even though you use the school name as a conduit to competition. Whether you agree or not it is different. College varsity sport, and my experience is not D1, with a coach who is there pushing you in grades and in sport, playing for your school, your community and yes for a trophy while attending class is a blast and I was on the bench. The feeling is different and not transferable although you think it should be. I worked harder as a student athlete than I did as a club sport college athlete. There is also accountability with school sponsored sports. It is not there with club and you can not force it to be that way. Also, you have not had the experience of playing as Surf and playing for your high school. You lose in the finals at Surf you cry a bit, get pissed a bit and go get your In and Out and go home. You lose a high school state final you see an entire roster of players fall to the ground as if they got shot. Taking that away in college is wrong. Tell me why I am wrong in that thought.

Now you did not answer two questions.

What is F ing entitlement?
What is my limited experience?
and I will add a why do you care about US college soccer if you player is never going to experience it?
 
Woobie06 said:
Lots of talk about pro women’s soccer for $50k a year top end opportunity in the US? What do they pay in the Mexican Women’s League and Europe? Same/Less??? Seems like tripping over dollars to pick up pennies in my book.

Committed, smart, talented young ladies that get very good grades can get into a great school (possibly in part because they are pretty good at soccer), get some scholarship money, grants, and aid to complete the education and come out with $60-75K out of school. Plus add the years of experience the student athlete will be ahead of the pro player chasing the dream...I think in the majority of cases the Women’s College Soccer Student/Athlete comes out on top financially and ahead career wise in the vast majority of cases. That’s one opinion, and I’m sure there are others.

Hopefully that changes and the women pro players will make more, but until the Women’s Pro Game can generate the income with sponsorships, attendance, partnerships, etc. there is going to be a gap until there is a significant paradigm shift in investment and the general public’s taste. Look at the WNBA...top salary is $215k. Best women’s league in the world for women’s BBall - 22 years old.

Why play collegiate sports? Lots of reasons...people have been discussing on here for days. Makes sense to some, not others. There is a lot to be learned in life outside the classroom. Hope everybody and their kids get to where they want to be and enjoy their journey getting there.
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Why not pay the pro $50K a year plus the pros education for four years? You have to give up playing Rugby ((just a joke)) in college but make $200,000+ and the parents donlt have to folk out $45K to listen to a club soccer coach tell me he knows all the D1 coaches. I don;t care about that. Really, why should that matter that some club coach has a connection or relationship with coach?
 
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