D1 college soccer under threat

With respect to the threats to D1 soccer,

What are the options for D1 schools that aren’t in a big money conference?

D2 is an option. Those programs tend to cost 4M per year instead of 100M.

Can always stay D1, keep existing sports, and start cutting expenses. Keep travel local, shelve any plans for new facilities, let your 2M per year football coach leave and hire someone at a reasonable salary. Not sure how much that buys you.
 
MacDre said:
I made the assertion earlier that college soccer should go away...this is an evolution of the argument and very relevant. Would you like to opine as to why club sports are inadequate for a demographic that doesn’t want to go pro and wants to focus on academics?
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You say this because you do not like the US System and a majority of us believe in college soccer as a varsity sport not a club sport not supported by the university.
 
vegasguy said:
You still have not answered the question about England and France. Have you put it to the FIFA test? I am not saying it isn't true and even admitted I may have misread the rules of FIFA when doing my research years ago.

When Garber speaks of LigaMX he speaks of the men's side. Garber is the MLS commissioner and that is his focus. How do you not see that. Please show me an article where he says Mex Womens league is superior. By the way he will also say the US Men's league is catching up to the LigaMX. Mexican training for women is not superior to US. Just four years ago they did not allow American women with Mexican decent into their league. And with the number of US born women in their Nat Team pool obviously shows they understand out players are better. Also, do you refute that UCLA would beat MEX WNT?

You have your opinion and I have mine. I am good with that. I think long term will show US WNT will always be a top always put women on National Teams throughout the world. Which makes me wonder why do all these countries send their players to US Colleges to play soccer?

You seem to take this as I have said before as contentious and I am just showing facts to support my viewpoint.
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I don’t see this as contentious but I think you are being closed minded, defensive, and ethnocentric. I don’t think you can acknowledge that Mexico is doing something better than the US.
Mexican girls have access to the same coaches and facilities as the men. They oftentimes share practice fields. The Mexican women have a training environment superior to the men because the girls have all the same coaches, facilities, and the girls can play the boys teams for comp whereas the men don’t have as much good comp readily available.

Again, I have not researched France because it’s my wife’s family. But, I’m as British as they come. I think this is an Immigration issue not a FIFA issue. I believe my kid can play for any country she holds valid citizenship. So, my kid can play for England or Scotland because she is a British citizen. My kid has never lived in the UK however she is a descendant of the first English and Scottish settlers. Since she has never lived in the UK, she can play for the nations of her grandparents.
I’ve never seen UCLA play. My assessment comes from the difficulty I’ve encountered finding a group of kids with a skillset that could play with my kid.
 
dad4 said:
With respect to the threats to D1 soccer,

What are the options for D1 schools that aren’t in a big money conference?

D2 is an option. Those programs tend to cost 4M per year instead of 100M.

Can always stay D1, keep existing sports, and start cutting expenses. Keep travel local, shelve any plans for new facilities, let your 2M per year football coach leave and hire someone at a reasonable salary. Not sure how much that buys you.
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I think small private D1 colleges have way more flexibility and stand to gain in the new way. It's a great way to grow the sport through private funding and not tax dollars and it allows the girls to play past HS and club.
 
vegasguy said:
You say this because you do not like the US System and a majority of us believe in college soccer as a varsity sport not a club sport not supported by the university.
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Fair and true because I want it to improve. I think part of my reason my kid made the Xolo’s team is because they love having a gringo around to make fun of. The jokes hurt but all I can say in response is pass me another beer to numb the pain. Coach, please help a brotha out and commit to doing better.

As to college sports, I know several pro athletes who all think that college sports suck. Many think playing sports deters kids from taking rigorous courses. Many think it’s unnecessarily difficult to manage school and sports. Accordingly, academics and club sports should be the focus for a more enjoyable college experience and higher probability of success because of higher grades in more rigorous courses.
 
MacDre said:
I made the assertion earlier that college soccer should go away...this is an evolution of the argument and very relevant. Would you like to opine as to why club sports are inadequate for a demographic that doesn’t want to go pro and wants to focus on academics?
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To some extent, students like going to the games. And, like most people, they like the games to be high quality games.
MacDre said:
I don’t see this as contentious but I think you are being closed minded, defensive, and ethnocentric. I don’t think you can acknowledge that Mexico is doing something better than the US.
Mexican girls have access to the same coaches and facilities as the men. They oftentimes share practice fields. The Mexican women have a training environment superior to the men because the girls have all the same coaches, facilities, and the girls can play the boys teams for comp whereas the men don’t have as much good comp readily available.

Again, I have not researched France because it’s my wife’s family. But, I’m as British as they come. I think this is an Immigration issue not a FIFA issue. I believe my kid can play for any country she holds valid citizenship. So, my kid can play for England or Scotland because she is a British citizen. My kid has never lived in the UK however she is a descendant of the first English and Scottish settlers. Since she has never lived in the UK, she can play for the nations of her grandparents.
I’ve never seen UCLA play. My assessment comes from the difficulty I’ve encountered finding a group of kids with a skillset that could play with my kid.
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Has she tried out with one of the top local clubs? When it opens up, give Mustang a call.

The Mexico discussion is silly. If our national teams played their national teams, each country would win one game. There’s a reason Macario came to the US and there’s a reason Pulisic left the US.
 
dad4 said:
With respect to the threats to D1 soccer,

What are the options for D1 schools that aren’t in a big money conference?

D2 is an option. Those programs tend to cost 4M per year instead of 100M.

Can always stay D1, keep existing sports, and start cutting expenses. Keep travel local, shelve any plans for new facilities, let your 2M per year football coach leave and hire someone at a reasonable salary. Not sure how much that buys you.
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Good points, there are some universities where D2 soccer is very good with foreign and other athletes that maybe didn't have the grades or $$ but have the ability to play D1. Seen some D2's from a soccer standpoint that looked better vs some of the D1's.

Be that as it may my player is not interested in D2 from a soccer point of view, would rather concentrate on academics if he was going to attend one of those universities and play soccer in the USL or something along those lines.

D2 may improve and the competition for spots get even more fierce with all this as the scholarship $$ get tighter which is going to happen one way or the other.
 
MacDre said:
I don’t see this as contentious but I think you are being closed minded, defensive, and ethnocentric. I don’t think you can acknowledge that Mexico is doing something better than the US.
Mexican girls have access to the same coaches and facilities as the men. They oftentimes share practice fields. The Mexican women have a training environment superior to the men because the girls have all the same coaches, facilities, and the girls can play the boys teams for comp whereas the men don’t have as much good comp readily available.

Again, I have not researched France because it’s my wife’s family. But, I’m as British as they come. I think this is an Immigration issue not a FIFA issue. I believe my kid can play for any country she holds valid citizenship. So, my kid can play for England or Scotland because she is a British citizen. My kid has never lived in the UK however she is a descendant of the first English and Scottish settlers. Since she has never lived in the UK, she can play for the nations of her grandparents.
I’ve never seen UCLA play. My assessment comes from the difficulty I’ve encountered finding a group of kids with a skillset that could play with my kid.
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Ok. I hope she does have that door opened. I know many parents who have a belief in their child much like yours. Best of luck. No harm no foul.

I can show you players from our country playing on the Mex WNT, England WNT, Jamaican WNT and Nigerian WNT to name a few. You can not say the reverse with MEX WNT. So until that occurs I will believe our training are better. I have seen Mex clubs send their ladies here to play and I have coached against them. I am not a pro-club and neither were they but the difference was there you can trust me on that. I have seen Xolos send their youth mens academy her to play in LV Mayors Cup. You could see where they rank in there system based on the numbers on their back. They were no where close to Borussia Munchengladbach or for that matter some of the better Vegas boys squads. Girls play boys all the time in America. We train with boys too. UNLV women (not a top WAC team) tied Argentina's world cup team that I think made it out of their pool. This is the World Cup Mex did not qualify for but Panama a smaller country did. Now no one knows what the future holds but today there is no backing to state we are not training better women players. You want to know the most successful and advancing WNT program look at the Netherlands. The are the next women's soccer superpower in my opinion.

We disagree and you call me ethnocentric. I say you can not see the forest for the trees because you are in your current situation. You admit you see it as a new person to the sport and their is a bigger picture than just what is going on in TJ which I am sure is great and the right spot for your daughter. When she is in a stadium on the 18 roster in a pro match, trust me I will be cheering her on.
 
dad4 said:
With respect to the threats to D1 soccer,

What are the options for D1 schools that aren’t in a big money conference?

D2 is an option. Those programs tend to cost 4M per year instead of 100M.

Can always stay D1, keep existing sports, and start cutting expenses. Keep travel local, shelve any plans for new facilities, let your 2M per year football coach leave and hire someone at a reasonable salary. Not sure how much that buys you.
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I don’t understand the love affair with D1 sports. Most that I know hated the experience because it was akin to working full time while going to school. They did only because they were gonna eventually make millions.
College soccer players aren’t going to make millions so why not club sports?
 
dad4 said:
To some extent, students like going to the games. And, like most people, they like the games to be high quality games.
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College students like to see their school win. Watch Video of the Blue/Green men's game. (UCSB v CalPoly) It is not the best soccer but when 11,000 fans cheering, chanting and throwing tortillas on the field you will get my point.

Club sports are not supported by the University and therefore lose some luster. I know D1's who would not change it for the world and loved their experience and knew they were not going pro. Yes it was a grind but they feel it was part of their experience.
 
vegasguy said:
Ok. I hope she does have that door opened. I know many parents who have a belief in their child much like yours. Best of luck. No harm no foul.

I can show you players from our country playing on the Mex WNT, England WNT, Jamaican WNT and Nigerian WNT to name a few. You can not say the reverse with MEX WNT. So until that occurs I will believe our training are better. I have seen Mex clubs send their ladies here to play and I have coached against them. I am not a pro-club and neither were they but the difference was there you can trust me on that. I have seen Xolos send their youth mens academy her to play in LV Mayors Cup. You could see where they rank in there system based on the numbers on their back. They were no where close to Borussia Munchengladbach or for that matter some of the better Vegas boys squads. Girls play boys all the time in America. We train with boys too. UNLV women (not a top WAC team) tied Argentina's world cup team that I think made it out of their pool. This is the World Cup Mex did not qualify for but Panama a smaller country did. Now no one knows what the future holds but today there is no backing to state we are not training better women players. You want to know the most successful and advancing WNT program look at the Netherlands. The are the next women's soccer superpower in my opinion.

We disagree and you call me ethnocentric. I say you can not see the forest for the trees because you are in your current situation. You admit you see it as a new person to the sport and their is a bigger picture than just what is going on in TJ which I am sure is great and the right spot for your daughter. When she is in a stadium on the 18 roster in a pro match, trust me I will be cheering her on.
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This isn’t about my kid. This isn’t about your limited personal experience. I’m saying the future looks bright for the Mexican women’s side because they are now part of the men’s clubs and share resources and facilities. I think US girls are at a disadvantage until US professional clubs dedicate their money and expertise to the mission-the current system of private clubs is outdated and soon to become obsolete.
All the examples you gave are irrelevant to my point. You’re stuck in the past and I’m looking to the future.
 
MacDre said:
Fair and true because I want it to improve. I think part of my reason my kid made the Xolo’s team is because they love having a gringo around to make fun of. The jokes hurt but all I can say in response is pass me another beer to numb the pain. Coach, please help a brotha out and commit to doing better.

As to college sports, I know several pro athletes who all think that college sports suck. Many think playing sports deters kids from taking rigorous courses. Many think it’s unnecessarily difficult to manage school and sports. Accordingly, academics and club sports should be the focus for a more enjoyable college experience and higher probability of success because of higher grades in more rigorous courses.
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@MacDre I think my dd old Surf team scrimmaged a girls team called Xolo's in 2016. They came up from TJ I believe on a Saturday. It was a cultural experience for all the families. Surf u14 vs Xolo u15 team. We won but they played with ganas and I saw potential back then. That was about 3 and half years ago. Great families too :)
 
MacDre said:
This isn’t about my kid. This isn’t about your limited personal experience. I’m saying the future looks bright for the Mexican women’s side because they are now part of the men’s clubs and share resources and facilities. I think US girls are at a disadvantage until US professional clubs dedicate their money and expertise to the mission-the current system of private clubs is outdated and soon to become obsolete.
All the examples you gave are irrelevant to my point. You’re stuck in the past and I’m looking to the future.
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My examples are real time or as real time as it is going to get. By the way there are private clubs in Mexico and throughout Europe and Asia. The private clubs concept is not unique to US that is a myth people use to argue against pay to play. Now is there faults with pay to play absolutely. Again then those are the same faults in club hockey, baseball and AAU Basketball.

What do you consider limited? Just curious.

The future is speculative.
 
dad4 said:
To some extent, students like going to the games. And, like most people, they like the games to be high quality games.

Has she tried out with one of the top local clubs? When it opens up, give Mustang a call.

The Mexico discussion is silly. If our national teams played their national teams, each country would win one game. There’s a reason Macario came to the US and there’s a reason Pulisic left the US.
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Mustang, Earthquakes, Lamorinda, Santa Rosa, and several Cal camps. Nice facilities but horrible soccer.
 
Fuck that coach! College is too expensive and kids should focus on their education and career. In essence, grow the fuck up and prepare for the real world. Sounds like entitlement to me coach.
 
MacDre said:
As to college sports, I know several pro athletes who all think that college sports suck. Many think playing sports deters kids from taking rigorous courses. Many think it’s unnecessarily difficult to manage school and sports. Accordingly, academics and club sports should be the focus for a more enjoyable college experience and higher probability of success because of higher grades in more rigorous courses.
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D3 is the option for a rigorous college schedule at a very academic university. Rules are different there. I am not sure you realize that. Look at the Claremont Consortium Schools or the NESCAC conference. Do you think those student athletes should give up soccer or lacrosse or track or basketball. College sports are not about becoming a pro. Football and Basketball make it appear to be. Why does D1 mean you can not have a rigorous study schedule. I know civil engineers that played D1 sports. I trust they know what they are doing when they are designing our roadways and infrastructure. You speak of D1 sports from a bball and football prospective. You do not see the track athlete or the swimmer or water polo player.
 
vegasguy said:
My examples are real time or as real time as it is going to get. By the way there are private clubs in Mexico and throughout Europe and Asia. The private clubs concept is not unique to US that is a myth people use to argue against pay to play. Now is there faults with pay to play absolutely. Again then those are the same faults in club hockey, baseball and AAU Basketball.

What do you consider limited? Just curious.

The future is speculative.
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I don’t think your club can provide the same opportunities as a fully funded program by LAFC for example. So I think in the future kids will be limited by small clubs that lack resources. I also think they are limited by mentality. A kid in an environment wanting to go pro is in a cutthroat environment and that produces a different player than one developed in an environment with a goal of “going to college for the experience.”
 
MacDre said:
Fuck that coach! College is too expensive and kids should focus on their education and career. In essence, grow the fuck up and prepare for the real world. Sounds like entitlement to me coach.
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What sounds like entitlement? Trust me I am in it. I know the cost of colleges. I see it every day. You say push your kid push your kid.. no days off... I see your side.. Isn't taking a tough college schedule and playing a college sport pushing yourself. Why limit yourself. In the real world it is rare that a CEO with honors is different that a CEO without graduating with Honors. When you start your own company no one asks your college grade point average as a matter of fact they do not do it in corporate world either.
 
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