Supermodel56
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The parents likely won’t get jail time... most likely a hefty fine and community service. What they should do is rescind their diplomas.
College Entrance Scam includes former Yale Women's Soccer Coach
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The parents likely won’t get jail time... most likely a hefty fine and community service. What they should do is rescind their diplomas.
Verbal commits aren't worth the paper they aren't written on, and thus cost the coach nothing.
Lambchop
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Again, more oversight should also go into the THOUSANDS of accepted international students across the US. How closely are their schools, classes, grades, tests and transcripts checked. They are big money for the universities and take up thousands of spots that could have been filled by US students!
End of the Line
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Filling out forms isn't going to stop someone who is taking bribes. Also, the admission's office verifying participation in a sport doesn't help with women's soccer. USSF doesn't let the girls play HS and, as was shown by the former USC coach, he ran a comp club that did verify participation.
OMG, I just realized this is much bigger than the conspiracy that supermodel56 claims it to be. This isn't just about a cabal of rich people, elite universities (plus Wake Forest), and soccer DOCs working together to sabotage college sports programs and subjugate the middle and lower class. US Soccer must also be involved. Now we finally have an explanation for the GDA's HS ban that makes sense.
Supermodel56
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I can’t say I know from first hand re:this... however, from most sources I’ve read, while not legally binding in any way, it seems like most coaches honor their verbal commits - at worst case they will let the kid attend the school even if they lose the scholarship dollars or don’t make team roster. True?
Would you consider a coach honorable if he is selling spots on his roster?
Question #2 - now that we know that the count of dishonorable coaches is higher than zero, how high is it?
Dos Equis
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Met the founder and former President of one the the most prestigious clubs in East Coast last year at a non-soccer event. Had two kids verbally committed to Ivy League schools. Coaches both left/replaced before their senior year in HS. Commits not honored by new coaches.
Verbal commits . . . keep demonstrating interest to other schools, keep studying for SAT/ACT, keep up the grades and AP courses. Keep working hard and improving on the field. You are one bad season, one better offer, or one ethically challenged coach away from having nothing.
On the later, we all know a few coaches with issues. Is it worth the risk?
San Diego connection to the business, via Las Vegas --
An affidavit in support of a criminal complaint, unsealed Tuesday, alleges that Elisabeth Kimmel “participated in the college recruitment scheme by conspiring to use bribery to facilitate her daughter’s admission to Georgetown as a purported tennis recruit, and her son’s admission to USC as a purported track recruit.”
Her daughter graduated from Georgetown in 2017 but was never a member of the tennis team, according to the document.
Her son — who is not on the USC track team — received an email from an adviser ahead of the fall semester, asking about USC track practice. The son assumed it was a mistake and was generally “unaware of the circumstances surrounding his admission to USC,” according to the affidavit.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...ts-charged-in-college-bribery-scheme-1616558/Her daughter graduated from Georgetown in 2017 but was never a member of the tennis team, according to the document.
Her son — who is not on the USC track team — received an email from an adviser ahead of the fall semester, asking about USC track practice. The son assumed it was a mistake and was generally “unaware of the circumstances surrounding his admission to USC,” according to the affidavit.
Supermodel56
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Absolutely, makes sense - agree with gotta keep everything up. I recognize that when coaches leave, all bets are definitely off. Just curious if it's the same coach, how many keep their verbal commits - even if they decide to change direction... so lets say coach lands a better player or you game declines after he verbally committed to you? Do they usually still let you attend the school but w/o scholarship money (if any was discussed?)
The other thing, if you verbally commit, how do you demonstrate interest to other schools without offending the school you "committed" to? I thought that was a big no-no and reflects poorly?
Dos Equis
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The interest is with the college -- keep up the admissions visits, the tours, fill out required forms and go to their local receptions like a normal applicant. If your status changes late, you will likely be a normal applicant like everyone else, and with luck a soccer coach may be able to put in a good word with admissions.
If a player commits early, then their dedication to soccer/fitness/school declines, that player has failed to live up to their side of the deal, and should have no expectations. My child's future college coach warned her that they would monitor her over the months (years) between her commit and final signing, She had to maintain her grades and her fitness if she expected to sign.
Supermodel56
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Totally get that, not talking about a kid slacking. Obviously needs to keep everything up - just referring to things beyond their control.
To me it would seem like the benefit of early verbal commits is that you can now just focus on what you do without the stress of not knowing where you’ll end up. It’s much different already knowing you’ve landed somewhere and just focusing on your work through HS vs. the added stress of the unknown and having to market yourself keep reaching out to coaches, etc... If my DD can spend her weekends and breaks focusing on her school projects and training instead of going on school visits or to more ID camps, that would be wonderful.
eastbaysoccer
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Celebrities Phil Mickelson, Joe Montana say they used Singer's help to get kids into school
eastbaysoccer
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This is why I hated the verbal commit. No verbals commits until spring of junior year IMO. This would be better for the player and the coaches.
That's ridiculously late. The vast majority of verbal commits are honored by both parties, but especially by the coaches. Who would commit to a coach/program if they had a track record of going back on their word for reasons other than academics?
Anyway, this has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Looks like more schools and programs will be entangled in this mess. Sad.
Supermodel56
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Yeah, but just for tutoring - not bribes. Smart to get ahead of it... at least let’s hope that’s all it was.
Didn't say they'd get jail time. But careers are destroyed and that will cost these parents millions. Law firm's chairman on leave (likely out), actors fired, etc.
Never said verification would be limited to high school teams (how many high schools offer sailing?). Plus, as I said, each coach would be required to disclose financial/other interests in athletics organizations up front (before they are hired). Admissions would therefore know up front that the coach runs the club. Failing to disclose/update a disclosure would be a fireable offense in and of itself. Makes it more difficult for any one person to control the flow of info.
Nothing is 100% perfect and this could all be refined, but "filling out forms," as you would call it, is used all the time in my line of work (finance) to help limit fraud. It works.
Filling out forms and attesting to the truth of the information entered makes the signor liable to perjury charges and the like.
Hundreds of families used this guy. How many more used his “cheating” advice???
One bit of cheating that might be untraceable was his advice to fake a learning disability and thus get more time to take the standardized tests.
SpeedK1llz
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“Follow the money” and where their kids took the SAT/ACT. If they took it in Hollywood or Texas then I’d say chances are high that something is up.
I would put money on MAP's wife being involved in some way. I think someone mentioned that she was a school psychologist.