CalSouth National Cup Question (use of ECNL players)
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The Cal South Pres Cup team picture has 18 kids with medal. Posted on Facebook/Flicker
So your FACT of 16 doesn't add up. Okay 1 kid pictured did not suit up could be injured. It doesn't add up
7 ECNL
1 04 (keeper)
8 EGSL
Arsenal Roster had 11 players that were on the 2003 ECNL roster and 1 player that was on the 2004 preECNL roster (goalie).
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There were 5 girls from the Flight 1 team that were not on ECNL rosters that were on the active game roster. There were a few girls that were on the Flight 1 roster as of the cutoff date but on the ECNL roster before that. 2 Flight 1 girls were on the tournament roster, but not active. Only 2 of the Flight 1 girls played any significant minutes in the close games (1 of whom was pretty good). To be fair, only 8 of the 11 ECNL girls were ECNL starters (including the key starters), the other 3 did not play much. Rumor is that RB tried to bring down the 3 2003s playing up with the 2002 ECNL team, but those 2003s had some ethics and sense of sportsmanship and wouldn't do it.
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CQ -2004 Pre ECNl
There were 5 girls from the Flight 1 team that were not on ECNL rosters that were on the active game roster. There were a few girls that were on the Flight 1 roster as of the cutoff date but on the ECNL roster before that. 2 Flight 1 girls were on the tournament roster, but not active. Only 2 of the Flight 1 girls played any significant minutes in the close games (1 of whom was pretty good). To be fair, only 8 of the 11 ECNL girls were ECNL starters (including the key starters), the other 3 did not play much. Rumor is that RB tried to bring down the 3 2003s playing up with the 2002 ECNL team, but those 2003s had some ethics and sense of sportsmanship and wouldn't do it.
WOW! amazed that people a still bitter and angry ... Arsenal Won the tourney within the rules provided... whether you think it is ethical or fair is another question and reflected only by "opinions".... at the base level of it all ... these girls are all within the same age group (03's). Also I don't see the same vitriolic attacks on other teams that used ECNL players ... the Eagles used 4 in their Championship game!. . . Point being . . . Get Over it, Move On and work harder with your DD's to get better next year ... so you can take pictures of your DD Raising the cup on the Champions Podium!
Point well taken. I can only hope that my kid and 7 of her teammates are good enough to one day to be moved to a lower level team and compete at a tournament level that they are way over qualified for. #dreambig
I would call it more ridicule and mocking than bitter and angry. But yes...it's time to move on.
bababooey
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Okay, so by your logic you have no issues with teams playing down to secure the trophy. So next year, the Arsenal ECNL girls can look forward to Governor's Cup?
Here's the difference.......your HC (RB) and it appears many of the parents of this team are 100% okay with playing down and winning a trophy your team is overqualified for. This tactic proves to me that RB is more interested in winning a trophy than developing his players. What flavor kool-aid does he serve at practice?
The HC's that have integrity will not allow their teams to play down and beat up on teams that they already know they are better than.
Enjoy your trophy and pictures. In a couple of years that may be all of the glory you and your dd will ever experience.
Well we know RB has no shame but really Cal South highlighting them with a video and of course an interview of RB himself.
For the record there were more than 7 ECNL girls. Roster, pictures, video what additional evidence do you need?
Go Arsenal ECNL I am sure this is preparing the girls for the remainder of the ECNL season. Good confidence builder for them. lol
For the record there were more than 7 ECNL girls. Roster, pictures, video what additional evidence do you need?
Go Arsenal ECNL I am sure this is preparing the girls for the remainder of the ECNL season. Good confidence builder for them. lol
Look ... You can get mad, you can make snide comments and remarks but please know I come from the Old School perspective where raising your hand and saying "It's not fair" is just not how you play or approach competitive sport . . . When you lose, you go back, grind harder and get better...thats it... no complaining, no crying, just go to work and come back better next year. As long as no rules were broken or Until Cal South puts in more regulations to control these types behaviors . . .to me its all fair in love & War. . . Don't get mad at the player, Get mad at the game!
You should have made that speech to the coach. Play the hand your dealt. Egsl players in President cup. Take you lumps and come back stronger.etc.
No horse in this race. Just an opinion. Also you are correct about all those other teams using ecnl players at President division. Same shame should be pointed at them as well. From the looks of it a lot of teams tried the same tactic, but only one was successful. Practice makes perfect.
Not mad, don't care, but defy anyone to tell me that RB is a good coach? So if you're not there for the education you're there for the "W" so what does that say about YOU?
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My 02g EGSL daughter's team (won't name club) did the same thing with bringing up 3 02g ECNL players to play in our SCDSL championship game. We only won the game because of them and I found it completely unfair that my daughter, one of the better players on the team, was subbed out while the ECNL players played the entire game. The coach (CG) wanted to win at all costs and we did. I never shook the coaches hand after that game and left very upset along with the other team, never to see that coach again. We left the team shortly after since I wanted NO part of that type of team or sportsmanship. I hold coaches to the highest sportsmanship level and want my daughter to learn that you win by not cheating (or bending the rules as Kongzilla so eloquently states). There's a time and a place to bring ECNL players on and that is ONLY if you are down players and need subs. I say if you have 14 players, you do not need any help. In my case, 3 ECNL players changed the outcome of the game dramatically.
RE: RB as a Good Coach or not ... As far as a trainer he is pretty good coach/ trainer - that guy consistently puts out competitive teams and really good players year in year out ... if he didn't we all would not be talking about RB and his Arsenal teams ... they are very competitive and hard to beat... I'm not saying they are the best team ... but they are good at all levels (02's, O3's, 04's) SCSDL /CRL / ECNL ...EGSL is debatable for sure ... but there is a reason why all the major clubs scout and recruit RB's players ... because he builds really good players. RB might not be the best coach in So Cal ... and he is not for everyone thats for sure, but his players and teams are skilled, fast and physical - whether anyone wants to admit it or not. . . I know its a hard pill to swallow, especially when teams consistently lose to RB's teams ... but facts are facts unless there Alt facts of course ... smile!
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Please stop typing! You're sound like an idiot. The only way you're going to get someone to agree with you here, is to look at your spouse and tell them to become a "new member"
Dangggg Kiknit22... Someone has a different opinion, brings a different perspective and you call them names bring their spouse into it ... Wow you need to get a Grip Jabroni, its only Youth Soccer bro. . . breathe Jabroni, Breathe! I'm not trying to get people to agree with me here, I'm just calling it out like I see it ... I might be wrong Jabroni, but The last I heard you don't own this space, or have a monopoly on Youth Soccer Opinions do you?... Again Don't get Mad at me, Get Mad at the facts Kiknit22 (aka Jabroni)!
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OMG! Is this "The Rock" himself? Too funny!
Impressive Kiknit22 you know your wrestling! ... Glad you can still find humor in all of this ... your not that much of a Putz as I thought ... You just gained a couple of cool points here event though you called me an Idiot . . . stick and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. . .smile