Cal Berkeley Coach (women) abusive

[MacDre]

No, I take issue with the fact your kid is not anywhere near college. Didn’t play soccer and pretend to tell us that their is no development in college because you read something or heard it. It’s like saying why go to college if after 15 we don’t learning anything.

Lot’s of conflicting information out there and I’m looking for clarification. I am not a soccer dude. I am on this forum to get information. Why do you think college is so far away for my kid?
My understanding of college soccer is that it doesn’t resemble the real game because of substitution rules, fast tempo, constant pressing, time cloc, and inconsistency because of players graduating and coming in often. I have been told college is a horrible environment to learn soccer and is frowned upon on the men’s side.
But, now I’m hearing that college is a place where one’s talents can be nurtured and developed and I’d like to know more about why you think that and is there anything that you could post that supports that position.

 

[Keepermom2]

Huh? What does sexual abuse have to do with this? Did Cal not properly investigate sexual abuse, or are you just making things up?

Huh? What does sexual abuse have to do with this?
Already explained.

Did Cal not properly investigate sexual abuse, or are you just making things up?

This wasn't part of my point but since you asked, the following is from the Office of Civil Rights findings letter for University of California Berkeley dated February 36, 2018. UC Berkeley seems to struggle with responding appropriately to complaints.


“OCR’s review included128 casefiles for reports/complaints of sexual harassment and/or sexual violence received from the 2011-12 through the 2013-14 academic years, as well as 71 files from reports/complaints filed in the 2014-15 academic year, and one matter in the 2015-16 academic year that was brought to OCR’s attention. Through this review of files, OCR identified compliance concerns and made noncompliance findings as follows: Overall, OCR identified compliance concerns with respect to equity when the University used an alternative resolution process. The alternative resolution process resulted in complaints being resolved without the voluntary agreement of, or, in some matters, notice of the outcome being provided to the complainant and/or respondent. In some matters, the alternative resolution process also resulted in complaints being resolved without interviews of the impacted parties or an assessment of whether a sexually hostile environment had been created and/or whether interim measures or other remedies were necessary.”

 

[LASTMAN14]

Lot’s of conflicting information out there and I’m looking for clarification. I am not a soccer dude. I am on this forum to get information. Why do you think college is so far away for my kid?
My understanding of college soccer is that it doesn’t resemble the real game because of substitution rules, fast tempo, constant pressing, time cloc, and inconsistency because of players graduating and coming in often. I have been told college is a horrible environment to learn soccer and is frowned upon on the men’s side.
But, now I’m hearing that college is a place where one’s talents can be nurtured and developed and I’d like to know more about why you think that and is there anything that you could post that supports that position.

I have seen and read your most earliest posts and as I reflect your DD is a 1-2 years younger than my own. Therefore college is still a time away. If your inferring to the real game being the professional or international level, college does not have to if it chooses to not in regards to their rules of the game. In fact there is clamor for the sub rules at the highest levels to change to adapt to the environment. And at every level the game rises. College is meant to be a level below or a stepping stone for those who can get there. But, this does not mean development does not happen. Tempo is a style of play, as is pressing. In fact pressing/coverage came to the forefront from the Italian professional league in the 70's. It was called Catenaccio. Any situation in life or experience has brought growth. If it has not, then one is ZINKO. Professional teams have a tremendous turnover. Club teams have high turnover. It's a blessing if any team has a long standing period where they can gel as a team. Yes, college can be nurturing but every program is different, and this is no different at the highest levels to professional academies, or to local clubs. But, players do learn, change. mature, etc. Now, if your trying to compare a college development to a professional one. That is a different conversation, but to stay college does not help a grow a player is inaccurate.

 

[MacDre]

College is meant to be a level below or a stepping stone for those who can get there.

I agree but the MLS seems to think there are problems with college soccer. I think if things are bad on the men’s side, then surely things are worse on the women’s side. I’m at a loss as to how anyone can possibly suggest that women have a superior environment to men anywhere in our society whether it be soccer, Silicon Valley, or Wall Street because women ALWAYS “get the short end of the stick.”

I think you have to embrace the MLS message if you want to see development in college soccer. Admitting that there is a problem with the system is the first step to fixing the problem.

MLS: College Soccer is in trouble, but NCAA vote can save it

In April, the NCAA will vote on expanding the college soccer season. The result will impact the relevancy of college soccer as a pathway to MLS. College so...

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[Soccerfan2]

There’s no question that a dedicated professional environment is going to facilitate better soccer development for most players than a college team.

However, the point of college is not soccer, it’s to get an education. If you only care about soccer development, of course, go pro if you’re able. Just go knowing that only 25 women (if that?) in the whole world currently earn salaries in soccer that rival the earning potential of a degree from a top college.

If you want evidence about the quality of the US college soccer system, just look at the number of World Cup players that were current college students. It’s still a destination for most top players including many internationals. As long as the likes of Macario find value in playing for Stanford, I don’t think asking whether players develop in college is a very useful question. The women’s pro game is not mature enough to displace college soccer yet. Will it in the future? Maybe. We’ve been trending in that direction, but how fast and how much remains to be seen.

I’ve been around long enough that playing pro as a female in my day meant a small stipend and your parents had to foot the bill for your room and board if you wanted to play. I’ve watched women’s pro leagues form and collapse and reform and collapse again, sometimes within the same season. 24 years in, the WNBA average salary is still below that of an experienced elementary teacher where I live and the vast majority of players still don’t go pro until after college ball. It’s an exciting time for the development of women’s soccer, but it’s still a long way from being a viable career for most. Just keep it all in perspective because these precious years with your girl will fly by.

 

[crush]

I have seen and read your most earliest posts and as I reflect your DD is a 1-2 years younger than my own. Therefore college is still a time away. If your inferring to the real game being the professional or international level, college does not have to if it chooses to not in regards to their rules of the game. In fact there is clamor for the sub rules at the highest levels to change to adapt to the environment. And at every level the game rises. College is meant to be a level below or a stepping stone for those who can get there. But, this does not mean development does not happen. Tempo is a style of play, as is pressing. In fact pressing/coverage came to the forefront from the Italian professional league in the 70's. It was called Catenaccio. Any situation in life or experience has brought growth. If it has not, then one is ZINKO. Professional teams have a tremendous turnover. Club teams have high turnover. It's a blessing if any team has a long standing period where they can gel as a team. Yes, college can be nurturing but every program is different, and this is no different at the highest levels to professional academies, or to local clubs. But, players do learn, change. mature, etc. Now, if your trying to compare a college development to a professional one. That is a different conversation, but to stay college does not help a grow a player is inaccurate.

Dre, Lastman and his side kick monitor the Idiots on here and are here to make sure were silence. Here's a fact Dre. My dd is 17 almost. She has been in youth soccer since she was 6. She was recruited by all the greats in socal before the job title of Director of Girls Coaching (Girls DOC)) was invented for girls in the failed GDA. It was also a position top male coaches lobbed for and boy did they. I was in the middle of two crazy folks fighting for power and a raise. The Doc was the man and he had something people wanted. Can you guess Dre? He the Doc took over soccer in socal and got all the power. Lastman calls me an idiot but I'm the one who came on here saying the GDA ((run by men and dad)) will be toast and it's boat ride to Mr Jones Island with so much Kool Aid you will never be thirsty again in the "Pay me so you can Play League." It was an easy call. You cant treat girls like this and be successful. I would think, "Crush, you nailed it" would be in the works after Lastman ignored me until last nights, "Please stop Idiot, Please stop!!!!" No, all I get is I'm an idiot. Maybe he will thank me later? For the record, the sh*t my dd went through was evil. You can;t treat a girl(s) and her dreams like trash all because she was bad for business because she wanted to play public high school soccer.

 

[crush]

Try and follow me on this over the top example of a man/dad coach with young boys playing American Football. Now imagine the soccer gods telling dum parents that the girls need to be trained and coached by the men in the girls game so the girls can play like the men in the future. Let's ALL make an effort to make the next group of girls a better experience in youth soccer. I can handle some name calling from folks on here. It's been happening my whole life. 8 out of 10 girls bailing on college soccer is not good odds. Let's make if fun for the girls and not just a full time job with no pay.

 

[crush]

 

[crush]

Last video example of the day: This is for parents with players under 18. My dd is 100% adult at 18 and she has to deal with everything in life on her own. If she calls me for help, I 100% will drop everything and fly to her in a heart beat. I'm a Hawk Dad I told my kids this all the time when they played teams sports to be a good kid. I was former coach and I believe players should be respectful and go talk to the coach when issues arise. At 1:30-1:36 mark of this clip is when it's ok to help your kid out, even if people tell you to STFU and shhhhhhhhhhh or else.

 

[MacDre]

However, the point of college is not soccer, it’s to get an education. If you only care about soccer development, of course, go pro if you’re able.

I agree with almost everything you have written, but you argument is separate and distinct from what @LASTMAN14 and @sdb are arguing.

It seems there are some that think D1 college soccer is similar to the 4H club-a place where young folks get mentored, supported, and encouraged to pursue their goals. I disagree.

The last 2 videos that I posted is clear objective proof that college soccer does not make better soccer players. Folks like Macario don’t improve from college soccer. Rather, she is getting a degree from a great school for financial security. If we believe the numbers posted by MLS, it can be argued college soccer is counterproductive because of the schedule and high risk of injuries.

If we believe the young man in the video about how it is essential to listen to your coach tell you to do “dumb shit”, or you will not play it becomes very easy to understand how the Jeweler is bumping heads with young ladies that have an unrealistic goal of development on a P5 D1 soccer team.

 

[Soccerfan2]

I agree with almost everything you have written, but you argument is separate and distinct from what @LASTMAN14 and @sdb are arguing.

It seems there are some that think D1 college soccer is similar to the 4H club-a place where young folks get mentored, supported, and encouraged to pursue their goals. I disagree.

The last 2 videos that I posted is clear objective proof that college soccer does not make better soccer players. Folks like Macario don’t improve from college soccer. Rather, she is getting a degree from a great school for financial security. If we believe the numbers posted by MLS, it can be argued college soccer is counterproductive because of the schedule and high risk of injuries.

If we believe the young man in the video about how it is essential to listen to your coach tell you to do “dumb shit”, or you will not play it becomes very easy to understand how the Jeweler is bumping heads with young ladies that have an unrealistic goal of development on a P5 D1 soccer team.

Yea, well, Lastman and sdb have been around the game a while, and their opinions have credibility because they reserve speaking for when it’s about what they actually know.

 

[crush]

Yea, well, Lastman and sdb have been around the game a while, and their opinions have credibility because they reserve speaking for when it’s about what they actually know.

Lastman called me an idiot last night dude and the other one to say that to me has been EOTL. In your honest opinion, is he correct? I swear I wont get my feelings hurt. Swing away fellas, I got no where to be or do.

 

[MacDre]

Yea, well, Lastman and sdb have been around the game a while, and their opinions have credibility because they reserve speaking for when it’s about what they actually know.

I don’t doubt anyone’s experience and expertise. However, there are blatant inconsistencies that need to be reconciled. In my profession, it’s not what you know, but what you can prove that’s important.

 

[Soccerfan2]

Lastman called me an idiot last night dude and the other one to say that to me has been EOTL. In your honest opinion, is he correct? I swear I wont get my feelings hurt. Swing away fellas, I got no where to be or do.

Many people have told you many times that rambling on endlessly about your past, posting on every thread and posting song lyrics, memes and photos is annoying and unwanted. If you don’t want to turn people off, take the social feedback that you receive and put it to use.

 

[crush]

I don’t doubt anyone’s experience and expertise. However, there are blatant inconsistencies that need to be reconciled. In my profession, it’s not what you know, but what you can prove that’s important.

I want Lastman to prove that I'm the forum idiot. I think he heard I was some foolish dad from a few of the Docs and some dads who got in on the prize that all the top players in socal were after. TC is all over for good, right? That was not a real US Soccer Training Center. TC actual stands for Toxic Culture.

 

[crush]

Many people have told you many times that rambling on endlessly about your past, posting on every thread and posting song lyrics, memes and photos is annoying and unwanted. If you don’t want to turn people off, take the social feedback that you receive and put it to use.

I can 100% see where I'm annoying and some feel it's unwanted information that they would rather not hear about. That I can play with. Calling me an idiot or moron, or fool is what keeps me coming back for more bro. 8 out of 10 quit dude. What say you about that?

 

[Soccer43]

I agree with almost everything you have written, but you argument is separate and distinct from what @LASTMAN14 and @sdb are arguing.

It seems there are some that think D1 college soccer is similar to the 4H club-a place where young folks get mentored, supported, and encouraged to pursue their goals. I disagree.

The last 2 videos that I posted is clear objective proof that college soccer does not make better soccer players. Folks like Macario don’t improve from college soccer. Rather, she is getting a degree from a great school for financial security. If we believe the numbers posted by MLS, it can be argued college soccer is counterproductive because of the schedule and high risk of injuries.

If we believe the young man in the video about how it is essential to listen to your coach tell you to do “dumb shit”, or you will not play it becomes very easy to understand how the Jeweler is bumping heads with young ladies that have an unrealistic goal of development on a P5 D1 soccer team.

Your ignorance about this subject shows up over and over again when you apply everything related to the men's game to the women's game (even the videos you post are men). The style of play is different, the futures are different, the motivations of the players are different, the goals and ambitions are different, the college experience and purpose are different. You have a female athlete so stop looking to the men's game for anything and stop trying to apply it to the women's game. It doesn't apply.

 

[Kicker4Life]

I want Lastman to prove that I'm the forum idiot. I think he heard I was some foolish dad from a few of the Docs and some dads who got in on the prize that all the top players in socal were after. TC is all over for good, right? That was not a real US Soccer Training Center. TC actual stands for Toxic Culture.

Why does he need to prove something we all already know. The proof is in your posts....
I guess if your DD wasn’t invited then it want real, right?

 

[MacDre]

Your ignorance about this subject shows up over and over again when you apply everything related to the men's game to the women's game (even the videos you post are men). The style of play is different, the futures are different, the motivations of the players are different, the goals and ambitions are different, the college experience and purpose are different. You have a female athlete so stop looking to the men's game for anything and stop trying to apply it to the women's game. It doesn't apply.

You make strong conclusory statements. I am relatively certain that you can’t support your conclusions with objective nuanced analysis but you have the audacity to call me ignorant. Strange.

 

[full90]

Women’s college soccer and men’s college soccer are two very different things. There’s no practical use in comparing them.
men’s college soccer is not an optimum development environment because around the world other 18-22 year olds are in a professional environment with year round training, and a development ladder to the first team. They are assets. In the US, men’s players are limited to 20 games in the fall and limited practice time. Plus classes and life. And most are paying to do so.

the women’s college game differs because the rest of the world doesn’t provide a training environment for their 18-22 year olds. So US colleges are the best there is. Only now are professional clubs in Europe developing academies for women that aren’t yet on the first team. But it’s not the same as US colleges. It’s still the best environment for an 18-22 year old. Which is why we’ve won internationally. Our youth and college system is producing much better players.
will the rest of the world catch up? Maybe. Other countries play better football than we do but don’t have the depth and athleticism to compete consistently. As those youth and pre professional academies grow our gap over the rest of the world will narrow.
To skip college and go pro worked out for Horan. She’s much better now than when she skipped college and left for Europe. Would she have developed at the same rate at UNC? Who knows?

I’ve watched college soccer for years. Especially in so cal and the pac 12. I know a few so cal soccer coaches so by no means am I an expert or anything. I played division one athletics and from my experience the kids who want to improve will. Everyone as a high schooler and freshman in college wants to be a pro. Everyone. But college sports is HARD. You realize pretty quickly if you want to be a pro it is exceptionally hard. The work required to go above and beyond what is already asked of you is a lot. Some people have the talent to make it without the grind. Some people are wired to grind.

After being around it for a long time I’d say the development of a player has more to do with them than the coach. Cal has produced a ton of pros but their teams are just not that good for who they have. Those kids could’ve probably gone to sac state and gone pro. If Neil was developing them from unfinished players into pros then we’d see the results on the field. But finishing 5th in conference and never winning an ncaa second round game EVER isn’t a sign that a ton of coaching is happening.