Bad News Thread

espola said:
If wearing masks in public is "virtue signaling" (as suggested by an earlier poster), that is action without talking.
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Well, I can barely understand anyone talking with a mask, so there is that. Isn't it interesting how the narrative of the mask has put people in two different camps. Both sides virtue signal - solidarity, both sides claiming science. Quite silly and time wasting.
 
what-happened said:
Well, I can barely understand anyone talking with a mask, so there is that. Isn't it interesting how the narrative of the mask has put people in two different camps. Both sides virtue signal - solidarity, both sides claiming science. Quite silly and time wasting.
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The phrase ”virtue signalling” has never been part of a serious discussion. It is a generic insult for anyone doing something which they believe to be the right thing.

The open question at the moment is whether Delta or other variants pose a risk this winter. Almost no one from the anti-lockdown side wants to consider the possibility. We’re so happy getting rid of the masks that we are making ourselves incapable of being ready to deal with a problem if it shows up.
 
dad4 said:
The phrase ”virtue signalling” has never been part of a serious discussion. It is a generic insult for anyone doing something which they believe to be the right thing.

The open question at the moment is whether Delta or other variants pose a risk this winter. Almost no one from the anti-lockdown side wants to consider the possibility. We’re so happy getting rid of the masks that we are making ourselves incapable of being ready to deal with a problem if it shows up.
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This again begs the question of whether you expect everyone to do the same thing every time a more than mild flu season or RSV epidemic pops up. It's interesting you use the words "a risk" instead of something like "substantial risk" because it points to you not being comfortable with any risk

I was in line at a fish place this weekend. Open air, ocean breeze, people 6 feet apart. Guy in front of me got all nervous when I got in line without a mask behind him. That's just irrational fear. At one point a guy without a mask and with a USA tattoo made his way across the line to get to the crab tank and pick up his meal. Masked guy in front of me muttered "all these damned maskless Republicans".
 
dad4 said:
The phrase ”virtue signalling” has never been part of a serious discussion. It is a generic insult for anyone doing something which they believe to be the right thing.

The open question at the moment is whether Delta or other variants pose a risk this winter. Almost no one from the anti-lockdown side wants to consider the possibility. We’re so happy getting rid of the masks that we are making ourselves incapable of being ready to deal with a problem if it shows up.
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You are pretty sure your opinion is the correct one. That's pretty much the problem today.

It's not a generic insult, it's a phenomenon that is easily observed. Corporate America, Hollywood, celebrity athletes are not pious with their intent, whether it be supporting wearing masks/not wearing masks or supporting entities that on the surface appear to champion a cause.

Science has taken a back seat to narrative building and political hackery.
 
dad4 said:
Sounds familiar.

Last April you told us that covid was purely theoretical, and we did not need to worry about it.

That theoretical risk killed a half million people. Would it hurt too much to pay some attention to the next theoretical risk? Maybe get ahead of the game so we can handle it with masks and vaccines instead of lockdowns and care rationing?

Or do we have to wait until it is over so that Team Virus can argue it was all inevitable?
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You know that is patently false and a complete mischaracterization of what I've said. I never ever said it was theoretical. I always said that it was serious, I questioned the doom and gloom projections (and the restrictions based on such), which in fact have not come to fruition. I vehemently disputed the burden put on our children and I will continue to do so. There will be administrators getting an earful from me if masks are required by students this fall.
 
watfly said:
You know that is patently false and a complete mischaracterization of what I've said. I never ever said it was theoretical. I always said that it was serious, I questioned the doom and gloom projections (and the restrictions based on such), which in fact have not come to fruition. I vehemently disputed the burden put on our children and I will continue to do so. There will be administrators getting an earful from me if masks are required by students this fall.
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At least in Los Angeles it seems the way things are shaking up so far is the vaccinated will not need to wear a mask but the unvaccinated (including kids too young for the vaccine) will. Still nothing decided yet though.
 
Grace T. said:
This again begs the question of whether you expect everyone to do the same thing every time a more than mild flu season or RSV epidemic pops up. It's interesting you use the words "a risk" instead of something like "substantial risk" because it points to you not being comfortable with any risk

I was in line at a fish place this weekend. Open air, ocean breeze, people 6 feet apart. Guy in front of me got all nervous when I got in line without a mask behind him. That's just irrational fear. At one point a guy without a mask and with a USA tattoo made his way across the line to get to the crab tank and pick up his meal. Masked guy in front of me muttered "all these damned maskless Republicans".
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You have such fantastic adventures!
 
what-happened said:
You are pretty sure your opinion is the correct one. That's pretty much the problem today.

It's not a generic insult, it's a phenomenon that is easily observed. Corporate America, Hollywood, celebrity athletes are not pious with their intent, whether it be supporting wearing masks/not wearing masks or supporting entities that on the surface appear to champion a cause.

Science has taken a back seat to narrative building and political hackery.
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q.e.d.
 
Grace T. said:
At least in Los Angeles it seems the way things are shaking up so far is the vaccinated will not need to wear a mask but the unvaccinated (including kids too young for the vaccine) will. Still nothing decided yet though.
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While I think any mask requirement for students is gross overkill and the negative impacts outweigh the benefits, I could live with a mask requirement for the unvaccinated for those that are eligible for vaccination (but only if the virus is around at a level that is above nominal). Making those who are too young to get a vaccination wear a mask is criminal.
 
Grace T. said:
Sad life you lead if that's a fantastic adventure.
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I will advance the possibility that I used "fantastic" in a different sense than you read it.

One of the miserable effects of the t years is that many words have been reduced to meaningless spaceholders.
 
watfly said:
While I think any mask requirement for students is gross overkill and the negative impacts outweigh the benefits, I could live with a mask requirement for the unvaccinated for those that are eligible for vaccination (but only if the virus is around at a level that is above nominal). Making those who are too young to get a vaccination wear a mask is criminal.
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"Criminal"? Isn't that a little vehement?
 
Whatever happened to cost/benefit analysis?

If experts tell us that masks ( whether of everyone or just unvax) can avoid 100k deaths, then we should put them on this fall and stop complaining. The cost is zero and the expected benefit is positive.

Your overblown talk of "if they make my kid wear one..." is just ridiculous. If asked to help, STFU and do your part to help.
 
dad4 said:
Whatever happened to cost/benefit analysis?

If experts tell us that masks ( whether of everyone or just unvax) can avoid 100k deaths, then we should put them on this fall and stop complaining. The cost is zero and the expected benefit is positive.

Your overblown talk of "if they make my kid wear one..." is just ridiculous. If asked to help, STFU and do your part to help.
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The irrational fears of adults shouldn't be the burden of children. STFU and stop making children bear your burdens.
 
watfly said:
The irrational fears of adults shouldn't be the burden of children. STFU and stop making children bear your burdens.
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My burden?

We've had 600k people die so far, but I promise you I was not one of them.

And why do you call it irrational? We have had over 600k deaths. The possibility of another 100k deaths is not at all unreasonable.
 
dad4 said:
My burden?

We've had 600k people die so far, but I promise you I was not one of them.

And why do you call it irrational? We have had over 600k deaths. The possibility of another 100k deaths is not at all unreasonable.
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Unmasking those under 12 is not going to add 100,000 Covid deaths, you're full of crap. Neither is unmasking the vaccinated. You need to nut up and deal with your fears, instead of projecting your fears on everyone else's behavior. Talk about selfish.
 
dad4 said:
Whatever happened to cost/benefit analysis?

If experts tell us that masks ( whether of everyone or just unvax) can avoid 100k deaths, then we should put them on this fall and stop complaining. The cost is zero and the expected benefit is positive.

Your overblown talk of "if they make my kid wear one..." is just ridiculous. If asked to help, STFU and do your part to help.
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The cost isn't zero. If you've looked at any park in Los Angeles and seen the masks strewn about that's pretty self-evident. They don't degrade readily. There is a cost to manufacture them and they aren't free. There are also social and psychological costs, especially what we are doing to children. So if you are going to claim cost/benefit, don't claim zero costs. The "STFU" is nice talk from the guy always decrying the incivility of personal attacks.

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