Why assume that getting to the remaining 40% means force? Most places are focusing on outreach.
As a practical matter, most places which care enough to do vaccine passports probably care enough to reach herd immunity without them.
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As a practical matter, most places which care enough to do vaccine passports probably care enough to reach herd immunity without them.
We agree then. I don't think force is required. I do think more outreach is. I'd actually do a lottery with big cash prize. A substantial portion also I suspect is people who have had COVID who are waiting. My bestie is being advised by her doctor to wait 90 days post COVID. But until you get the EU label removed, I don't think even soft force (like vaccine passports required to board airplanes) are justified, especially when it comes to the kids.
Even UC didn’t require vaccinations until full approval.
I do see a role for allowing high risk places to open for vaccinated customers. I’d like to see some MLS games, but I do not think they should be allowed to open to non-vaccinated customers. If you don’t allow some kind of vaccine requirement, you end up keeping things closed longer than is really necessary.
However, I love the Yankees promo for a free ticket with your vaccination.
Bruddah IZ
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The fake Vaccines are uncounted mulligans to the green and a 3 foot putt. Natural infections play excellent long and short game with natural outcomes (cost) that aren't mandated except by the evolutionary process. Interventionism, the euphemism for socialism, is being mandated for the Corona virus which has been with us since long before the current fake crisis.
There would be too much liability if they required only a vaccine to watch MLS games while the EU label is in place....that's why a lot of places seem to be headed to vaccine or a COVID test 72 hours in advance.....seems like blue state sleep away camps may end there and Staples has it in place for certain sections.
Bruddah IZ
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Why assume that Outreach removes force?
In other words. Apply force. You crack me up dude.
The science is the reverse on this because of the 2 dose regimen. Again, the first dose is like a natural infection...the protection is imperfect and we don't know how either last long term.
The same BTW can be said about: eye glasses, laser surgery, contraception, any other vaccine, antibiotics, antivirals, a cane, a wheelchair, dentists, any surgery. Natural evolved to give us the bare minimum to survive since it's concerned with survival only of the fittest. In response, humanity developed brains that can circumvent some natural processes.
Bruddah IZ
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Be interesting to see a 40% drop in sales.
Meaning you don’t like mRNA vaccines. We knew that.
In this case, the mRNA vaccines work better than the chicken egg ones. Not that you'd ever admit it.
Bruddah IZ
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Except it is not a natural infection. It Ubers directly to the blood stream.
Agree but none of what is in your list above has ever caused us to mandate a shutdown. That is a poor response from our developed brains that abandoned the natural process and thus humanity.
This is good news for variants too if we care about deaths, not cases. It means even though the Rona might be around for a long time, if a variant break through happens, unless its a very bad variant, deaths should remain on the floor.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Recent endemic coronavirus infection is associated with less-severe COVID-19 - PubMed
Four different endemic coronaviruses (eCoVs) are etiologic agents for the seasonal common cold, and these eCoVs share extensive sequence homology with human SARS coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Here, we show that individuals with, as compared with those without, a recent documented infection with...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Bruddah IZ
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The shutdown thing is just not historically accurate. It's never been a global shutdown....that's correct. But there were localized shutdowns in response to the 1918 flu epidemic, the 1775 small pox epidemics, various yellow fever epidemics, even as far back as the Plague of Justinian.
Desert Hound
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So stay in your basement if you don't want to mingle with the human race.
You don't have any risk.
The vast vast majority of the population has little to no risk.
80% of deaths are 65 and older. The real numbers are at70-75 and older. And in that group over 40% of the deaths are within nursing homes (a population of roughly 2 million people).
What is the threshold for “safe”?
Why if you've been vaccinated and your chance of death has dropped to the floor. If you have a special circumstances, why is that on the rest of us? If you don't, you don't have a right to be COVID-free....everyone is going to get it, eventually given enough time. Sure, people shouldn't go out if they know they are sick....that's common courtesy which is sometimes in too short supply. But you also don't have a right to be flu-free, cold-free, or chicken-pox free (particularly if you haven't taken the chicken pox vaccines)..
Bruddah IZ
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I know it wasn't a global shutdown. Thank god for Florida and Sweden. Oh and Costco and Amazon. They kept Mad Max off the roads. Did the localized shutdowns require mask and social distancing? What was drinking water, nutrition, and hygeine like in the days of the Justinians or back in 1918 or 1175?
Desert Hound
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Based on his pronouncement from up on high the past year I would say he wants to get cases and deaths down to zero first. Then wait another 6 months just to be sure.
Desert Hound
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Passing thoughts/comments...
"When the Chinese government is confronted with a problem, the regime’s default setting is to deny the problem exists.
The Chinese government’s official statistics would have you believe that the COVID-19 pandemic effectively ended in that country in March 2020. The official statistics declare that the most populated country in the world, with more than 1.4 billion people, ranks 96th among all countries in cases, with just over 90,000, and 58th in deaths, with 4,636. To believe the Chinese official numbers, the entire country has seen four people die from COVID-19 since April 2020, and that they’ve never had more than 1,000 active cases on any given day over the past year. According to the Chinese government, no variant of COVID-19 has touched them in any significant way.
Meanwhile, just across the border, India reported 414,188 cases of infection and 3,915 deaths.
And that’s just today."
"When the Chinese government is confronted with a problem, the regime’s default setting is to deny the problem exists.
The Chinese government’s official statistics would have you believe that the COVID-19 pandemic effectively ended in that country in March 2020. The official statistics declare that the most populated country in the world, with more than 1.4 billion people, ranks 96th among all countries in cases, with just over 90,000, and 58th in deaths, with 4,636. To believe the Chinese official numbers, the entire country has seen four people die from COVID-19 since April 2020, and that they’ve never had more than 1,000 active cases on any given day over the past year. According to the Chinese government, no variant of COVID-19 has touched them in any significant way.
Meanwhile, just across the border, India reported 414,188 cases of infection and 3,915 deaths.
And that’s just today."
Bruddah IZ
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No evidence of that in the last 226 pages. See your comment below. That's not huge. Lol
I'll tell you what is huge. The difference between my safety and yours. Yours lacks science, history, and courage.
Oh? I quote you from your statement above. "Nor should you be allowed to go.
Did you not exercise your right to avoid me? Not that I can tell from the Safe Zone you created.