Bad News Thread

Bruddah IZ said:
The fake Vaccines are uncounted mulligans to the green and a 3 foot putt. Natural infections play excellent long and short game with natural outcomes (cost) that aren't mandated except by the evolutionary process. Interventionism, the euphemism for socialism, is being mandated for the Corona virus which has been with us since long before the current fake crisis.
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The science is the reverse on this because of the 2 dose regimen. Again, the first dose is like a natural infection...the protection is imperfect and we don't know how either last long term.

The same BTW can be said about: eye glasses, laser surgery, contraception, any other vaccine, antibiotics, antivirals, a cane, a wheelchair, dentists, any surgery. Natural evolved to give us the bare minimum to survive since it's concerned with survival only of the fittest. In response, humanity developed brains that can circumvent some natural processes.
 
dad4 said:
Even UC didn’t require vaccinations until full approval.

I do see a role for allowing high risk places to open for vaccinated customers. I’d like to see some MLS games, but I do not think they should be allowed to open to non-vaccinated customers. If you don’t allow some kind of vaccine requirement, you end up keeping things closed longer than is really necessary.

However, I love the Yankees promo for a free ticket with your vaccination.
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Be interesting to see a 40% drop in sales.
 
Grace T. said:
The science is the reverse on this because of the 2 dose regimen. Again, the first dose is like a natural infection...the protection is imperfect and we don't know how either last long term.
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Except it is not a natural infection. It Ubers directly to the blood stream.

Grace T. said:
The same BTW can be said about: eye glasses, laser surgery, contraception, any other vaccine, antibiotics, antivirals, a cane, a wheelchair, dentists, any surgery. Natural evolved to give us the bare minimum to survive since it's concerned with survival only of the fittest. In response, humanity developed brains that can circumvent some natural processes.
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Agree but none of what is in your list above has ever caused us to mandate a shutdown. That is a poor response from our developed brains that abandoned the natural process and thus humanity.
 
This is good news for variants too if we care about deaths, not cases. It means even though the Rona might be around for a long time, if a variant break through happens, unless its a very bad variant, deaths should remain on the floor.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Recent endemic coronavirus infection is associated with less-severe COVID-19 - PubMed

Four different endemic coronaviruses (eCoVs) are etiologic agents for the seasonal common cold, and these eCoVs share extensive sequence homology with human SARS coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Here, we show that individuals with, as compared with those without, a recent documented infection with...
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Bruddah IZ said:
Except it is not a natural infection. It Ubers directly to the blood stream.

Agree but none of what is in your list above has ever caused us to mandate a shutdown. That is a poor response from our developed brains that abandoned the natural process and thus humanity.
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The shutdown thing is just not historically accurate. It's never been a global shutdown....that's correct. But there were localized shutdowns in response to the 1918 flu epidemic, the 1775 small pox epidemics, various yellow fever epidemics, even as far back as the Plague of Justinian.
 
I see a huge difference between force and safety.

If it isn't safe for you to attend, you should not go. Nor should you be allowed to go.

That's not about forcing you to do anything.

It is just a simple statement that the rest of us would like to exercise our right to avoid you.
 
dad4 said:
It is just a simple statement that the rest of us would like to exercise our right to avoid you.
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So stay in your basement if you don't want to mingle with the human race.

You don't have any risk.

The vast vast majority of the population has little to no risk.

80% of deaths are 65 and older. The real numbers are at70-75 and older. And in that group over 40% of the deaths are within nursing homes (a population of roughly 2 million people).
 
dad4 said:
I see a huge difference between force and safety.

If it isn't safe for you to attend, you should not go. Nor should you be allowed to go.

That's not about forcing you to do anything.

It is just a simple statement that the rest of us would like to exercise our right to avoid you.
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Why if you've been vaccinated and your chance of death has dropped to the floor. If you have a special circumstances, why is that on the rest of us? If you don't, you don't have a right to be COVID-free....everyone is going to get it, eventually given enough time. Sure, people shouldn't go out if they know they are sick....that's common courtesy which is sometimes in too short supply. But you also don't have a right to be flu-free, cold-free, or chicken-pox free (particularly if you haven't taken the chicken pox vaccines)..
 
Grace T. said:
The shutdown thing is just not historically accurate. It's never been a global shutdown....that's correct. But there were localized shutdowns in response to the 1918 flu epidemic, the 1775 small pox epidemics, various yellow fever epidemics, even as far back as the Plague of Justinian.
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I know it wasn't a global shutdown. Thank god for Florida and Sweden. Oh and Costco and Amazon. They kept Mad Max off the roads. Did the localized shutdowns require mask and social distancing? What was drinking water, nutrition, and hygeine like in the days of the Justinians or back in 1918 or 1175?
 
Passing thoughts/comments...

"When the Chinese government is confronted with a problem, the regime’s default setting is to deny the problem exists.

The Chinese government’s official statistics would have you believe that the COVID-19 pandemic effectively ended in that country in March 2020. The official statistics declare that the most populated country in the world, with more than 1.4 billion people, ranks 96th among all countries in cases, with just over 90,000, and 58th in deaths, with 4,636. To believe the Chinese official numbers, the entire country has seen four people die from COVID-19 since April 2020, and that they’ve never had more than 1,000 active cases on any given day over the past year. According to the Chinese government, no variant of COVID-19 has touched them in any significant way.

Meanwhile, just across the border, India reported 414,188 cases of infection and 3,915 deaths.

And that’s just today."
 
dad4 said:
I see a huge difference between force and safety.
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No evidence of that in the last 226 pages. See your comment below. That's not huge. Lol

dad4 said:
If it isn't safe for you to attend, you should not go. Nor should you be allowed to go.
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I'll tell you what is huge. The difference between my safety and yours. Yours lacks science, history, and courage.

dad4 said:
That's not about forcing you to do anything.
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Oh? I quote you from your statement above. "Nor should you be allowed to go.

dad4 said:
It is just a simple statement that the rest of us would like to exercise our right to avoid you.
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Did you not exercise your right to avoid me? Not that I can tell from the Safe Zone you created.
 
Desert Hound said:
Based on his pronouncement from up on high the past year I would say he wants to get cases and deaths down to zero first. Then wait another 6 months just to be sure.
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I'm genuinely curious at this point if it's just COVID or other viruses like the flu that give him the willies. Does he have a little hypochondriac streak? I actually had one but the current pandemic actually cured me of it for the most part.
 
Grace T. said:
The shutdown thing is just not historically accurate. It's never been a global shutdown....that's correct. But there were localized shutdowns in response to the 1918 flu epidemic, the 1775 small pox epidemics, various yellow fever epidemics, even as far back as the Plague of Justinian.
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You're feeding a troll.
 
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