Bad News Thread

A nice quote for our times.

I'd like to offer the following quote by C.S. Lewis: -

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
 
In a different situation -- such as being pulled over while driving -- I fear her unusual manner of speech ("show me the law - the FEDERAL law") might lead to a roadside sobriety test.
In that case if she was a woman of color the chances of that encounter ending fatally would have gone up exponentially.
 
Interesting post about the economy in CO that also compares it to some other states. I picked out a few paragraphs that compare CO to other states. The full story follows.

WalletHub, a personal finance website, studied 14 measures to determine how states compared in their restrictions to combat the novel coronavirus. The laxest states include Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Iowa, while California, Massachusetts and Virginia are among the strictest. In the fourth quarter, Colorado ranked 46th when it came to having the fewest restrictions, although in January the move from Level Red to Level Orange in the largest counties had moved it to the 38th spot.

The chief argument for having stricter rules is to reduce infection rates, keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed and save lives. As an added benefit, playing it safer was supposed to set the stage for a stronger economic rebound once the pandemic passed.

So far that doesn’t seem to be playing out. Restriction-light South Dakota now has a lower unemployment rate, 3%, than it did before the pandemic started, but it also is wrestling with higher COVID-19 case and death rates than Colorado.

Nor is it a regional issue. Utah and Idaho have regained all the jobs lost during the pandemic and even grown employment, while Colorado faces a deficit of about 150,000 nonfarm jobs lost last year. But Gedney notes Colorado has the eighth-highest concentration of in-person dining establishments, while Utah is near the bottom.

“The restrictions were prudent, and I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t have had them. But I am not convinced we are primed for a better recovery,” said Brian Lewandowski, executive director of the Business Research Division at the University of Colorado’s Leeds School of Business. “The lost output is something you never recoup.”

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Restrictions saved lives, but job losses weigh down recovery

By Aldo Svaldi The Denver Post

With COVID-19 cases rising rapidly, indoor dining going away and federal support for small businesses stalled in Congress, Brandon Bortles made an excruciating decision in November — he closed his Abejas and Nosu Ramen restaurants in Golden and directed about 30 of his remaining workers to apply for state unemployment benefits.

“My capital was so low I couldn’t float them. Our hand was forced,” said Bortles, who doesn’t know when he will reopen, despite an easing of restrictions on indoor dining last month.

His layoffs were part of a much larger 24,300 jobs lost at restaurants and bars across the state in December, according to senior state labor economist Ryan Gedney. Losses in food service employment, combined with a surge in people rejoining the labor force, helped push up Colorado’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate from 6.4% in November to 8.4% in December.

As 2020 came to an end, Colorado had 269,200 people without a job and actively looking for one, a higher total for the state than at any month during the Great Recession, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. It also had the nation’s fourth-highest unemployment rate after Hawaii, California and Nevada. Entering the pandemic, Colorado had the fifth-lowest unemployment rate at 2.5%.

Officials in every state have engaged in a grim calculus during the pandemic — balancing the need to protect human life against preserving livelihoods. Colorado’s calculation was effective in lowering case counts, but it also may have derailed one of the most robust labor markets in the nation.

“It appears the on-again, off-again efforts to find a balance between the economy and the number of COVID-19 cases killed the economy from an employment perspective,” said Gary Horvath, an economist based in Broomfield.

WalletHub, a personal finance website, studied 14 measures to determine how states compared in their restrictions to combat the novel coronavirus. The laxest states include Oklahoma, South Dakota, and Iowa, while California, Massachusetts and Virginia are among the strictest. In the fourth quarter, Colorado ranked 46th when it came to having the fewest restrictions, although in January the move from Level Red to Level Orange in the largest counties had moved it to the 38th spot.

More so than COVID-19 case rates or the concentration of jobs in tourism and other hard-hit industries, the severity of the restrictions that state and local governments put in place appears to have the strongest correlation to how a state’s economy performed last year.

“The fact that (Colorado) has a lot of restrictions in place leads to it having the fifth-lowest COVID19 death rate in the country. On the flip side, the large number of restrictions also creates higher unemployment,” said Jill Gonzalez, an analyst with WalletHub.

Conor Cahill, a spokesman for Gov. Jared Polis, said the state rolled out several programs to help the economy, among them launching a $24 million relief fund, providing aid and tax breaks to restaurants and other small businesses, and distributing $357 checks to 435,000 unemployed workers in the state.

“The Polis administration has sought an aggressive balanced approach to saving lives while allowing for the maximum amount of economic and social activity. Gov. Polis and legislative leadership stepped up to the plate when Congress faltered,” he said.

The chief argument for having stricter rules is to reduce infection rates, keep hospitals from getting overwhelmed and save lives. As an added benefit, playing it safer was supposed to set the stage for a stronger economic rebound once the pandemic passed.

So far that doesn’t seem to be playing out. Restriction-light South Dakota now has a lower unemployment rate, 3%, than it did before the pandemic started, but it also is wrestling with higher COVID-19 case and death rates than Colorado.

Nor is it a regional issue. Utah and Idaho have regained all the jobs lost during the pandemic and even grown employment, while Colorado faces a deficit of about 150,000 nonfarm jobs lost last year. But Gedney notes Colorado has the eighth-highest concentration of in-person dining establishments, while Utah is near the bottom.

“The restrictions were prudent, and I’m not arguing that we shouldn’t have had them. But I am not convinced we are primed for a better recovery,” said Brian Lewandowski, executive director of the Business Research Division at the University of Colorado’s Leeds School of Business. “The lost output is something you never recoup.”
 
*** Part II of the story (It was too big for one post and is behind a paywall)

Optimistic vs. pessimistic approach

For reasons she still doesn’t understand, Sonia Riggs, president and CEO of the Colorado Restaurant Association, said Colorado officials chose to take a harder line against bars and restaurants than other states did.

They did so without presenting studies to show restaurants were a significant contributor to the spread of COVID-19 cases, she said. For example, capacity was capped at 50, even if a dining space was large enough to handle many more using the 6-foot distancing recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Based on the premise that the more people drink, the more likely they are to get sloppy about safeguards, the cutoff for serving alcoholic drinks was moved earlier. But Riggs said pushing up last call didn’t make sense in restaurants where patrons were seated and not moving around.

A heavy blow came when indoor dining was cut off as temperatures were moving lower in late November. And although restaurants welcome being allowed to go to 25% capacity last month or 50% in the case of Denver, which moved to Level Yellow on Saturday, that won’t be enough to get them into the black, she said.

“If we don’t start seeing capacity increase change dramatically over the next few months, we will see more restaurants closing,” Riggs said. “True recovery won’t begin for this industry until dining capacity is at 100%.”

As the state was doing its calculations in the face of rapidly rising COVID-19 caseloads, restaurateurs such as Ryan Fletter responded with their own math. He made the difficult choice in November to close his youngest restaurant, Chow Morso, so his more established one, Barolo Grill, could have a better chance of surviving.

“When the governor closed indoor dining rooms before the holidays, all restaurants went into a tailspin,” he said.

For Chow Morso, the lunch crowd of downtown office workers had vanished in the early days of the pandemic, along with the tourists and evening crowds attending events. Civil unrest and demonstrations in the summer were followed by concerns about election turmoil in the fall, putting a damper on dinner traffic, Fletter said.

Restaurateurs, with their first round of Paycheck Protection Program money long spent, were hopeful that Congress would pass another round. But those hopes vanished in partisan bickering and forced some difficult choices, Fletter said.

Barolo Grill, around for 27 years, had strong support from the surrounding Cherry Creek neighborhood and was the obvious choice to keep going. But closing Chow Morso cost 30 jobs.

Data from Zenreach shows a more severe decline in visits to restaurants and retailers in Colorado than elsewhere late last year. The San Francisco-based company provides software that public venues can use to measure foot traffic based on cellphone pings made to the local Wi-Fi system.

Early in the pandemic, Colorado suffered a somewhat sharper decline in foot traffic but by summer rebounded to half of normal levels. Through November, Colorado tracked with U.S. averages. In December, traffic dropped to just less than 30% of prepandemic levels, while other hard-hit states dropped to under 40%.

“It was one of the more dramatic declines,” John Kelly, CEO of Zenreach, said of what happened in Colorado.

Kelly notes that states that took an “optimistic” approach when it came to fighting the novel coronavirus never saw their foot traffic dip below 50% after the initial wave of lockdowns. States in the “pessimistic” camp have experienced much lower consumer activity in public spaces.

Colorado consumer spending also has trended lower than the national averages, Silverstein said. For health services, spending fell 18.8% in the state vs. 9.5% nationally. Restaurant and hotel spending was down 44.3% in Colorado compared with a 28.7% decline nationally.

Can Colorado catch up?

The grim leisure and hospitality numbers in Colorado’s December employment report masked some good news. Manufacturing employment was up by 2,000 for the year, and the state ranked third for its growth in manufacturing jobs, an unusual area of strength, Lewandowski said.

Employment in professional and business services, a source of high-skilled jobs paying some of the highest wages in the state, was up by 8,700 jobs. And even trade, transportation and utilities, which includes the hard-hit retail sector, has regained in terms of job counts, while the financial activities sector is almost there.

For the sectors in the top tier in terms of average weekly wages, employment is almost fully recovered, Patty Silverstein, president of Development Research Partners, told an online audience attending the Vectra Bank of Colorado’s Economic Forecast on Thursday.

Those households are saving money at a high rate and more likely to enjoy the robust gains in the housing and stock markets. They will represent a tremendous amount of pent-up demand once the economy reopens and people are more comfortable traveling, attending shows and dining out, she said.

The flipside of the “K shaped” recovery is that the workers in the lowest-paying tier of industries, who typically lack the savings and other resources to weather a recession, have suffered the most economically. They are more likely to be women, minorities and younger workers. They are also more likely to be renters, meaning they haven’t enjoyed the uptick in personal wealth that strong home price appreciation provided last year in Colorado.

As of December, employment in leisure and hospitality was only 73.6% recovered in December. One out of four jobs from before the pandemic is still missing, bolstering the argument that the sector needs special attention this year.

Government employment is 93.3% recovered and down by 30,800 jobs, making it the secondbiggest contributor to job losses in Colorado. Lewandowski said Colorado has been much more diligent than other states in tracking student workers, which could be boosting the counts there.

Mining, which includes oil and gas, is about 87% recovered, with future gains dependent on commodity prices and the direction of regulatory limits. Construction, information, and education and health services are about 95% to 96% recovered.

Cahill also noted that the increase in the unemployment rate was influenced heavily by 42,400 people joining the labor force in December, which outweighed the drop of 20,300 in employment. jobs lost.

“The growth in the labor force is a positive sign for Colorado’s economy going forward, as it shows increased worker confidence in the prospects for finding employment,” he said.

The state also continues to see stronger population growth than most other states, ranking 12th, but the growth is some of the most muted since the oil and gas bust of the early 1980s. And having one of the highest unemployment rates of any state could deter young adults from moving here if it is sustained.

Gedney said that Colorado has run in the middle of the pack for unemployment when coming out of the last two recessions. And if the state’s unemployment rate is averaged across all of 2020, it is 7.1%, which ranks 24th among states.

Although it is possible Colorado could recoup its lost jobs later this year, Silverstein doesn’t think Colorado will regain prepandemic levels of employment until 2022. That means Colorado’s economy could be playing catchup for a while.
 
*** Part II of the story (It was too big for one post and is behind a paywall)

Optimistic vs. pessimistic approach

For reasons she still doesn’t understand, Sonia Riggs, president and CEO of the Colorado Restaurant Association, said Colorado officials chose to take a harder line against bars and restaurants than other states did.

They did so without presenting studies to show restaurants were a significant contributor to the spread of COVID-19 cases, she said. For example, capacity was capped at 50, even if a dining space was large enough to handle many more using the 6-foot distancing recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Based on the premise that the more people drink, the more likely they are to get sloppy about safeguards, the cutoff for serving alcoholic drinks was moved earlier. But Riggs said pushing up last call didn’t make sense in restaurants where patrons were seated and not moving around.

A heavy blow came when indoor dining was cut off as temperatures were moving lower in late November. And although restaurants welcome being allowed to go to 25% capacity last month or 50% in the case of Denver, which moved to Level Yellow on Saturday, that won’t be enough to get them into the black, she said.

“If we don’t start seeing capacity increase change dramatically over the next few months, we will see more restaurants closing,” Riggs said. “True recovery won’t begin for this industry until dining capacity is at 100%.”

As the state was doing its calculations in the face of rapidly rising COVID-19 caseloads, restaurateurs such as Ryan Fletter responded with their own math. He made the difficult choice in November to close his youngest restaurant, Chow Morso, so his more established one, Barolo Grill, could have a better chance of surviving.

“When the governor closed indoor dining rooms before the holidays, all restaurants went into a tailspin,” he said.

For Chow Morso, the lunch crowd of downtown office workers had vanished in the early days of the pandemic, along with the tourists and evening crowds attending events. Civil unrest and demonstrations in the summer were followed by concerns about election turmoil in the fall, putting a damper on dinner traffic, Fletter said.

Restaurateurs, with their first round of Paycheck Protection Program money long spent, were hopeful that Congress would pass another round. But those hopes vanished in partisan bickering and forced some difficult choices, Fletter said.

Barolo Grill, around for 27 years, had strong support from the surrounding Cherry Creek neighborhood and was the obvious choice to keep going. But closing Chow Morso cost 30 jobs.

Data from Zenreach shows a more severe decline in visits to restaurants and retailers in Colorado than elsewhere late last year. The San Francisco-based company provides software that public venues can use to measure foot traffic based on cellphone pings made to the local Wi-Fi system.

Early in the pandemic, Colorado suffered a somewhat sharper decline in foot traffic but by summer rebounded to half of normal levels. Through November, Colorado tracked with U.S. averages. In December, traffic dropped to just less than 30% of prepandemic levels, while other hard-hit states dropped to under 40%.

“It was one of the more dramatic declines,” John Kelly, CEO of Zenreach, said of what happened in Colorado.

Kelly notes that states that took an “optimistic” approach when it came to fighting the novel coronavirus never saw their foot traffic dip below 50% after the initial wave of lockdowns. States in the “pessimistic” camp have experienced much lower consumer activity in public spaces.

Colorado consumer spending also has trended lower than the national averages, Silverstein said. For health services, spending fell 18.8% in the state vs. 9.5% nationally. Restaurant and hotel spending was down 44.3% in Colorado compared with a 28.7% decline nationally.

Can Colorado catch up?

The grim leisure and hospitality numbers in Colorado’s December employment report masked some good news. Manufacturing employment was up by 2,000 for the year, and the state ranked third for its growth in manufacturing jobs, an unusual area of strength, Lewandowski said.

Employment in professional and business services, a source of high-skilled jobs paying some of the highest wages in the state, was up by 8,700 jobs. And even trade, transportation and utilities, which includes the hard-hit retail sector, has regained in terms of job counts, while the financial activities sector is almost there.

For the sectors in the top tier in terms of average weekly wages, employment is almost fully recovered, Patty Silverstein, president of Development Research Partners, told an online audience attending the Vectra Bank of Colorado’s Economic Forecast on Thursday.

Those households are saving money at a high rate and more likely to enjoy the robust gains in the housing and stock markets. They will represent a tremendous amount of pent-up demand once the economy reopens and people are more comfortable traveling, attending shows and dining out, she said.

The flipside of the “K shaped” recovery is that the workers in the lowest-paying tier of industries, who typically lack the savings and other resources to weather a recession, have suffered the most economically. They are more likely to be women, minorities and younger workers. They are also more likely to be renters, meaning they haven’t enjoyed the uptick in personal wealth that strong home price appreciation provided last year in Colorado.

As of December, employment in leisure and hospitality was only 73.6% recovered in December. One out of four jobs from before the pandemic is still missing, bolstering the argument that the sector needs special attention this year.

Government employment is 93.3% recovered and down by 30,800 jobs, making it the secondbiggest contributor to job losses in Colorado. Lewandowski said Colorado has been much more diligent than other states in tracking student workers, which could be boosting the counts there.

Mining, which includes oil and gas, is about 87% recovered, with future gains dependent on commodity prices and the direction of regulatory limits. Construction, information, and education and health services are about 95% to 96% recovered.

Cahill also noted that the increase in the unemployment rate was influenced heavily by 42,400 people joining the labor force in December, which outweighed the drop of 20,300 in employment. jobs lost.

“The growth in the labor force is a positive sign for Colorado’s economy going forward, as it shows increased worker confidence in the prospects for finding employment,” he said.

The state also continues to see stronger population growth than most other states, ranking 12th, but the growth is some of the most muted since the oil and gas bust of the early 1980s. And having one of the highest unemployment rates of any state could deter young adults from moving here if it is sustained.

Gedney said that Colorado has run in the middle of the pack for unemployment when coming out of the last two recessions. And if the state’s unemployment rate is averaged across all of 2020, it is 7.1%, which ranks 24th among states.

Although it is possible Colorado could recoup its lost jobs later this year, Silverstein doesn’t think Colorado will regain prepandemic levels of employment until 2022. That means Colorado’s economy could be playing catchup for a while.
My buddy ((pal or old friend)) moved to Highlands Ranch about 20 years ago. I told him he was nuts to leave California. He told yesterday he was right and I was wrong. I told him because he's so conservative, judgmental towards non-believers and into guns, he made the right move for his family. He told me he just paid off his house and is just killing it. He loves to shovel snow every morning, he hated the ocean ((afraid of sharks)) and he loves to ski.
 
There are only two reasons that people don't want kids back in school full-time, 1) unfounded fear, or 2) prisoner of a far left narrative.

I actually don't think it's the far left narrative. More like corporate liberal narrative. It's not like AOC and Sanders are driving these bad policies.
 
Only if she was stupid enough to resist and fight like the rest of them did. That’s the part you always miss, isn’t it?
Why should noncompliance be a death sentence? I had my fun avoiding law enforcement as a young skate rat I never got shot. And how many times have you read a post of where I missed “That part”.
 
Yeah, that's probably more accurate. AOC is too busy trying to get an Emmy like Cuomo.
Can'y put my finger on why she annoys me, but she does.

I get that the whole "squad" thing they have going on is new and refreshing- and great to see women in these positions.

However, I feel like at times her whole squad lacks professionalism. I can't think of any other job where you could get away with saying some of the things that whole clique has said.

And befor you-know-who comes on whining about Trump and his professionalism, (or lack thereof,) I have never said I thought the right was full of utmost professionals either, so save your breath.

Her and MTG should just hang out and be sensationalists together.
 
The media from the right spends far more time obsessing on “AOC” et al. They assign her far more power than she actually wields. Much like “MTG”.
Generally I would agree with you, but in the most recent incident it was the MSM that carried he whole "I going to die video" repeatedly from start to finish. Both parties don't need to be defined by their loons but crazy sells.
 
Generally I would agree with you, but in the most recent incident it was the MSM that carried he whole "I going to die video" repeatedly from start to finish. Both parties don't need to be defined by their loons but crazy sells.

FWIW...a lot of folks on the far left haven't been stoked about that whole thing. They need to keep their eye on the prize....and that's helping people.
 
Biden’s increasingly showing why a full lockdown wouldn’t have been possible even under a d admin. One of the features of australia New Zealand South Korea and Taiwan is they adopted very strict border controls...even citizens returning from necessary travel were put in hotels and camps to quarantine. Biden though has lifted many of the restrictions on the southern border and they are having to release new migrants from detention due to covid outbreaks there (there’s an article in the New York Times). Politically I’m kinda miffed the border is reopen before schools are fully opened. With looser asylum Reg’s now and a change in migrant policies for minors in Mexico I expect this problem to get worse for him in the coming weeks as more migrants are encouraged to take advantage of the friendlier rules and flee their covid devastated nations
 
Bad news is the south african variant seems to have already gotten away at least from the AZ vaccine...the vaccines "offers only limited protection against the south african variant" and its efficacy is "significantly reduced". Good news is that it still looks like it helps prevent death. It's increasingly looking like this thing is never going to go away.

 
Generally I would agree with you, but in the most recent incident it was the MSM that carried he whole "I going to die video" repeatedly from start to finish. Both parties don't need to be defined by their loons but crazy sells.
The whole “kill elected officials”, “stop the steal”, “burn down democracy” thing is so hip and current on the right, and far beyond any “squad” activities, so must be covered. The new trump counter culture cult is interesting to the rest of us. Intriguing how a group can claim complete loyalty to one man at the detriment of the country, democracy and the majority of Americans, yet claim the exclusive on patriotism at the same time.
 
Why should noncompliance be a death sentence? I had my fun avoiding law enforcement as a young skate rat I never got shot. And how many times have you read a post of where I missed “That part”.

It results in a death sentence when you make it one. Don’t compare these times to your childhood. Noncompliance goes on everyday and it doesn’t result in death. Thousands of black people go to jail, everyday, without death or even violence.

Just cut the “If he/she was black” bullshit. Because the reality is, if she was black, she’d be 90% more likely to be killed by a black man, while doing nothing wrong, than a cop while resisting arrest.
 
The media from the right spends far more time obsessing on “AOC” et al. They assign her far more power than she actually wields. Much like “MTG”.

The cocktail waitress, who speaks like a 9-year old, gets attention because she craves it. And the right msm media lets her hang herself the same way the left msm refuses to use a decent picture of Trump.

More of your libtard hypocrisy.
 
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