The low level npis aren’t driving down cases in heavily vaccinated Israel or Iceland. Even if you assume argue so they did something against covid prime, they don’t seem to be working as well against the delta. Even Oster has said cloth masks are useless. At this point by way of masking you are looking at n95s on everyone (which for kids in school is not a low level intervention) or surgicals with some enhancement. Even with heavy handed npis australia is struggling to contain the delta
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People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC says
Residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.abc7news.com
Doesn’t say much about immunity. It may just be that, if you were prone to catch respiratory diseases in December, you were still prone to catch respiratory diseases in July.
Or it may slice the other way. People who had covid probably don’t suddenly decide to take larger risks. But people who get vaccines definitely do.
Not much to that article or information regarding their study. Just "I think that is very likely because we know the Delta variant is so much more infectious," said Dr. Srivastava.People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC says
Residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.
So know real data showing one (vax) versus the other (previous infection). Again, I’m open minded and genuinely curious (until the name calling starts).
Bruddah IZ
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Link to government study? Before espola ask.
Bruddah IZ
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Wonder if the study takes in to account that theres not much you can do about being (70) elderly at some point. Just ask the insurance companies. Ever wonder why you can get term insurance for cheap but usually for not longer than 30 years? And if you want to extend it another 30 years 'till you're 70 plus, won't be able to afford that policy. It's been like that for a very long time despite deadly viruses. No need to go all scientific on us. The actuaries cut right through all of the bullshit to get to death$. Show me an increase in Premiums for term life and just maybe you can convince me that "better" one size fits all policies could have helped Sweden do better.
Bruddah IZ
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FREAKIN' HILARIOUS
Here is a survey, just completed (so this isn't from April 2020, bear in mind), of "infectious disease experts."
Red is a NO answer.
Surveys such as this one reveal that the epidemiology profession is a hotbed of statistical illiterates, paranoiacs, and outright crazy people.
Similar surveys in the past have revealed a high prevalence of other bizarre behavioral patterns by epidemiologists, such as refusing to touch their mail for three days out of fear that it contains Covid. [TW note: The New York Times reported on this last summer; one-third of epidemiologists surveyed were refusing to get their mail. As of two months ago, 17% of them were still afraid of their mail.]
These results are not coming from the fringes of the profession either, but rather its "leading" voices. For example, the survey depicted in the image included Michael Osterholm -- a former member of Biden's covid task force and a prominent lockdowner spokesman on TV for the last year.
If innumeracy, absurd distortions of risk assessment, and quack beliefs about taking radical steps to avoid safe and common public activities are indeed widespread among epidemiologists, perhaps we should stop treating these people as experts and instead look upon their advice as one would view medical advice from an astrologer or homeopath.
(Please, homeopath friends, do not send me angry emails. I am simply including the entire quotation.)
It is this insane, lunatic standard that is used to "fact check" the normal people.
People who are afraid of their mail want to "fact check" you.
Hence the need for uncensored discussion among intelligent people without being "fact checked" by hypochondriacs.
Here is a survey, just completed (so this isn't from April 2020, bear in mind), of "infectious disease experts."
Red is a NO answer.
Surveys such as this one reveal that the epidemiology profession is a hotbed of statistical illiterates, paranoiacs, and outright crazy people.
Similar surveys in the past have revealed a high prevalence of other bizarre behavioral patterns by epidemiologists, such as refusing to touch their mail for three days out of fear that it contains Covid. [TW note: The New York Times reported on this last summer; one-third of epidemiologists surveyed were refusing to get their mail. As of two months ago, 17% of them were still afraid of their mail.]
These results are not coming from the fringes of the profession either, but rather its "leading" voices. For example, the survey depicted in the image included Michael Osterholm -- a former member of Biden's covid task force and a prominent lockdowner spokesman on TV for the last year.
If innumeracy, absurd distortions of risk assessment, and quack beliefs about taking radical steps to avoid safe and common public activities are indeed widespread among epidemiologists, perhaps we should stop treating these people as experts and instead look upon their advice as one would view medical advice from an astrologer or homeopath.
(Please, homeopath friends, do not send me angry emails. I am simply including the entire quotation.)
It is this insane, lunatic standard that is used to "fact check" the normal people.
People who are afraid of their mail want to "fact check" you.
Hence the need for uncensored discussion among intelligent people without being "fact checked" by hypochondriacs.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Twice as likely? Sounds about right for a new virus. Lol! Sounds like the flu every year. Mask up and go see a movie.People who've had COVID, twice as likely to get reinfected than those who get vaccinated, CDC says
Residents who were infected with COVID in 2020 experienced a reinfection between May and June of 2021. That's the same time the Delta variant intensified across the country.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...
This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.
www.cdc.gov
Thx. Interesting. Quite a small test but 2.34x more likey is what it is in this case.Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...
This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.
Hüsker Dü
DA
That was the link to the study from the first reply I posted. I assumed clicking the link to the actual study was a given?
Bruddah IZ
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A given is that the next virus is always is always more infectious than the last. You people crack me up.
I did not expect the reporter to get it that wrong.
Reporter’s version: “the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a study reporting that individuals who've had COVID are twice as likely to get reinfected.”.
Actual study: Among those previously infected, those who get vaccinated are less likely to get reinfected. “Among Kentucky residents infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020, vaccination status of those reinfected during May–June 2021 was compared with that of residents who were not reinfected. In this case-control study, being unvaccinated was associated with 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with being fully vaccinated.”
So what you’re saying is the only thing you’ve been able to find is one very small case study in Kentucky?
read the study. that’s not what it’s about.
The study is evaluating whether there is any point in vaccinating someone who has some natural immunity. result was a clear yes.
You beat me to it. I have seen and heard this study misreported by reporters and so-called medical experts. If your hear anyone make a claim about the "Kentucky Study" this is the one they are misqouting.
It seems to me based on the data available today in regards to immunity from infection:
Vaccination=Good
Natural immunity=Better
Natural immunity + vaccination=Best
EvilGoalie 21
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I knew about it from contemporary standard click journalism about Dec last year (Reuters, BBC I think). For the actual report I can't find anything other than the pdf in Swedish (http://www.sou.gov.se/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/SOU_2020_80_Äldreomsorgen-under-pandemin_webb.pdf) which prob not much help. Here is a no paywall retrospective that touches on what I understand to be the main issues that were identified, related to protection for elderly in nursing homes, which bore the brunt of Sweden's first COVID wave (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0020731421994848).
what-happened
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Because the vaccine "appears" to (insert any type of contradictory data here).
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
It's an unfortunate aspect of contemporary media that feeds into the mis/disinformation. There is good science reporting, but more and more it is not the stuff that's just going to show up in the feed of your standard media outlet.
Look dad, based on my 10 friends who got jabbed, all of them have been sick at least once. One of them got blood clot and went to the Dr, not ER. He's on blood thinner btw. The other 9 are just pissed because they got sick again and some twice. That's the rub for most and oh by the way, they have to wear a mask indoors now. Dont you dare try and pin this on the unvaccinated. You have crossed a line. The fact is according to Dr. F, not only can you catch IT again, you also can contaminate others like me. Maybe you should just sit this out. All you do is lie!!!
Oh Lord, the old Good, Better and Best.
Healthy life style= Excellent
Natural Immunity= Smart
Natural Immunity + No meat or Booz= Most Excellent Brah
Look at the confidence interval. The study was large enough.
You can get by with a smaller sample if the correlation is strong enough. In this case, it was.