I thought you lived in Arizona.
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I thought you lived in Arizona.
Desert Hound
DA
You fight the madness where ever you see it. It spreads like locusts to other states.
And your solution is to help other people lie about their vaccination status?
Those are some messed up values you have there.
I know you think we should focus on the deaths number. Daily covid deaths are above 400 now, and still doubling. Over half of that is in ex-Confederate states with few vaccinations and no mask rules.
We can revisit it next month when it crosses 1000.
My family will never take the Jabs. Has Dr. F and Joe, Hunter and all the others lied? I have a right, especially during a WAR to know what experiment a scientist wants to put in my arm. Your side of the Isel is bought and paid for by yo know WHO. You sold your soul for power, control and with that, you think you have all the money. The fact, many of you are going to jail or worse. I will sit back and use my mouth and let the MILITARY sort this out because people like you, Husker and Espola are the biggest liars around and now my enemy. You better watch what you preach bro. This is a real war. I sure didnt ask for being forced to take the spike jabs with boosters. I have BILLIONS of people around the world that agree with me btw.
Bruddah IZ
DA
You ignored deaths pre-vaxx. Now you want to revisit deaths post-vaxx so you can ignore and downplay natural immunity while vaccination$ hitch a ride on the immune system. Big Pharma shill.
During a spike, there is a natural progression: First cases, then hospitalizations, then deaths.
This leads to a natural progression in excuses from Team Virus:
”This is unimportant- look how few people have covid.”
”It’s only a casedemic. A lot of people have covid, but there are relatively few deaths or hospitalizations”
”There are a lot of hospitalizations, but cases seem to be peaking.”
”Ok, deaths are high, but cases are falling now. It’s over.”
We’re running through the same curve of excuses. You guys are just now moving from step one to step two.
I do like your revised spelling of “vaxx“. Take it a step further. If we call it vaXXX, maybe more guys will be willing to show up for the shot?
Desert Hound
DA
I know you like the idea of showing papers to live life. Screw that.
Note how the gov keeps reaching for more and more.
At some point people need to fight back.
Bruddah IZ
DA
.0075. 97% with underlying conditions
Errr...the vaccine has decoupled deaths/ICU counts in the vaxxed. It's had a huge impact on hospitalizations too but hospitalizations are always going to run higher since if you are admitted for any reason (such as having a baby or a car accident) and test positive, you must be monitored and treated for COVID too. But that's now the difference. As to the unvaxxed, well they made their choice and if they are under 30 if there are as many breakthroughs as is beginning to be suspected, the vax may not make that much of a difference to them. If the notion that the vaxx is weaker 6 months after injection turns out to be correct, everyone will eventually get it so the only thing you are doing is postponing the inevitable and in fact possibly making some people more vulnerable than if they got it now....not sure what your end game even is here except restrict for years to come.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Agree. .0075. 97% with underlying conditions to satisfy your progression.
Last year, 100% this would be a covid death. This year's death for the cheaters is that his heart was attacked and he died. First off, RIP sir. I know you did a lot for my friends who work in the union. He worked hard for them. Herman Cain died with stage 4 cancer and each day to him was something special and he get's nailed for Covid and being stupid and all t's fault for doing what he loves. Everyday was a day he didnt think he would have. Then assholes use the death to make their point. This is what sucks about our media and the cheats who lie with them.
what-happened
GOLD
Interesting choice of words. Exactly who in these ex-confederate stats are the least vaxxed?
Desert Hound
DA
I am going to take a leap on this one.
It is a group that the left says cannot reliably get IDs and any ID check is Jim Crow. And out the other side of the left's mouth they want these same people to show papers to do far more basic life activities.
Oh yeah and in the big blue cities that are reliably Dem...these same groups are unvaxxed at rather high rates.
Would demanding papers from them be like the new version of Jim Crow as well?
Anyway...
Note the progression.
2 weeks to slow the curve so the hospitals can handle the demand
A year and a half later we have a vax, deaths are on the floor, hospitals by now should be good to go...and yet Gov wants to impose more restrictions.
Give them an inch and they will take many miles.
Don't let them.
ex-Confederate was more accurate than “southeast.“, because you need to include Missouri but not Maryland.
Good question. And one to which you partially know the answer: non-asian minorities and Republicans.
However, if you’re planning to play the race card, adjust for SES before playing it. We already have far too many people yelling racism when none exists. The answer may be more about poverty and media consumption than ethnicity.
My point is that deaths are lower in those places with high rates of vaccination and which actually comply with mask rules. The skin color of the unvaccinated non-masked person is pretty much irrelevant. He’d be at less risk with a mask and a shot.
what-happened
GOLD
Unfortunately this whole thing has been politicized. Skin color is relevant and needs to be considered when mounting a pubic health campaign. Every single person involved in public health takes this and economic status into consideration when planning for their communities. To call that effort racist and racism is just unfortunate.
To separate the vaxxed from the unvaxx and place them in political parties is not productive..But it gets great ratings ..
Bruddah IZ
DA
Nate Silver's breakdown of vaccination/NPI positions in the US. It still roughly breaks down to 1/3 terrified wants restrictions, 1/3 in the middle depending how bad things get, 1/3 thinks it's over and done with. Hasn't moved much since the beginning. Interestingly the 1/3 that's terrified has a small but not insignificant block that doesn't want or can't take the vaccine and so wants the limitations in place to protect them. The 1/3 that's over with it is mostly unvaxxed but has a small but not insignificant block that is. There's absolutely nothing about this which is science driven at this point. It's irrational fear v. reckless abandonment.
Desert Hound
DA
"Much of the pathology underlying Covid policy arises from the fantasy that it is possible to eradicate the virus."
"Humanity’s unimpressive track record of deliberately eradicating contagious diseases warns us that lockdown measures, however draconian, can’t work. Thus far, the number of such diseases so eliminated stands at two—and one of these, rinderpest, affected only even-toed ungulates. The lone human infectious disease we’ve deliberately eradicated is smallpox. The bacterium responsible for the Black Death, the 14th-century outbreak of bubonic plague, is still with us, causing infections even in the U.S."
"While the eradication of smallpox—a virus 100 times as deadly as Covid—was an impressive feat, it shouldn’t be used as a precedent for Covid. For one thing, unlike smallpox, which was carried only by humans, SARS-CoV-2 is also carried by animals, which some hypothesize can spread the disease to humans. We will need to rid ourselves of dogs, cats, mink, bats and more to get to zero."
"The only practical course is to live with the virus in the same way that we have learned to live over millennia with countless other pathogens. A focused protection policy can help us cope with the risk. There is a thousand-fold difference in the mortality and hospitalization risk posed by virus to the old relative to the young. We now have good vaccines that have helped protect vulnerable people from the ravages of Covid wherever they have been deployed. Offering the vaccine to the vulnerable everywhere, not the failed lockdowns, should be the priority to save lives.
We live with countless hazards, each of which we could but sensibly choose not to eradicate. Automobile fatalities could be eradicated by outlawing motor vehicles. Drowning could be eradicated by outlawing swimming and bathing. Electrocution could be eradicated by outlawing electricity. We live with these risks not because we’re indifferent to suffering but because we understand that the costs of zero-drowning or zero-electrocution would be far too great. The same is true of zero-Covid."
www.wsj.com
"Humanity’s unimpressive track record of deliberately eradicating contagious diseases warns us that lockdown measures, however draconian, can’t work. Thus far, the number of such diseases so eliminated stands at two—and one of these, rinderpest, affected only even-toed ungulates. The lone human infectious disease we’ve deliberately eradicated is smallpox. The bacterium responsible for the Black Death, the 14th-century outbreak of bubonic plague, is still with us, causing infections even in the U.S."
"While the eradication of smallpox—a virus 100 times as deadly as Covid—was an impressive feat, it shouldn’t be used as a precedent for Covid. For one thing, unlike smallpox, which was carried only by humans, SARS-CoV-2 is also carried by animals, which some hypothesize can spread the disease to humans. We will need to rid ourselves of dogs, cats, mink, bats and more to get to zero."
"The only practical course is to live with the virus in the same way that we have learned to live over millennia with countless other pathogens. A focused protection policy can help us cope with the risk. There is a thousand-fold difference in the mortality and hospitalization risk posed by virus to the old relative to the young. We now have good vaccines that have helped protect vulnerable people from the ravages of Covid wherever they have been deployed. Offering the vaccine to the vulnerable everywhere, not the failed lockdowns, should be the priority to save lives.
We live with countless hazards, each of which we could but sensibly choose not to eradicate. Automobile fatalities could be eradicated by outlawing motor vehicles. Drowning could be eradicated by outlawing swimming and bathing. Electrocution could be eradicated by outlawing electricity. We live with these risks not because we’re indifferent to suffering but because we understand that the costs of zero-drowning or zero-electrocution would be far too great. The same is true of zero-Covid."
Opinion | Eradication of Covid Is a Dangerous and Expensive Fantasy
It seemed to work in New Zealand and Australia, but now ruinous, oppressive lockdowns are back.
www.wsj.com
"Much of the pathology underlying Covid policy arises from the fantasy that it is possible to eradicate the virus."
"Humanity’s unimpressive track record of deliberately eradicating contagious diseases warns us that lockdown measures, however draconian, can’t work. Thus far, the number of such diseases so eliminated stands at two—and one of these, rinderpest, affected only even-toed ungulates. The lone human infectious disease we’ve deliberately eradicated is smallpox. The bacterium responsible for the Black Death, the 14th-century outbreak of bubonic plague, is still with us, causing infections even in the U.S."
"While the eradication of smallpox—a virus 100 times as deadly as Covid—was an impressive feat, it shouldn’t be used as a precedent for Covid. For one thing, unlike smallpox, which was carried only by humans, SARS-CoV-2 is also carried by animals, which some hypothesize can spread the disease to humans. We will need to rid ourselves of dogs, cats, mink, bats and more to get to zero."
"The only practical course is to live with the virus in the same way that we have learned to live over millennia with countless other pathogens. A focused protection policy can help us cope with the risk. There is a thousand-fold difference in the mortality and hospitalization risk posed by virus to the old relative to the young. We now have good vaccines that have helped protect vulnerable people from the ravages of Covid wherever they have been deployed. Offering the vaccine to the vulnerable everywhere, not the failed lockdowns, should be the priority to save lives.
We live with countless hazards, each of which we could but sensibly choose not to eradicate. Automobile fatalities could be eradicated by outlawing motor vehicles. Drowning could be eradicated by outlawing swimming and bathing. Electrocution could be eradicated by outlawing electricity. We live with these risks not because we’re indifferent to suffering but because we understand that the costs of zero-drowning or zero-electrocution would be far too great. The same is true of zero-Covid."
Opinion | Eradication of Covid Is a Dangerous and Expensive Fantasy
It seemed to work in New Zealand and Australia, but now ruinous, oppressive lockdowns are back.
Yeah, there's some suspicion COVID may have crossed into dogs now. What's worse is maybe even rats (after all, bats are just mice with wings). If it's crossed into rats and they become a possible zoonotic source there's no way you are getting rid of it....ever.
Researchers Find COVID Mutations in NYC Sewage, Pointing to Possible Dog, Rat Infections
This article was originally published on Jul 29 at 4:54pm EDT by THE CITY This story is the product of a collaboration with the Documenting COVID-19 project at Columbia University’s Brown Institute for Media Innovation. A group of researchers charged by New York City with scouring human sewage...
www.nbcnewyork.com