Bad News Thread

[dad4]

The immune system is designed to lower IFR as well. Only better when we look at low vax to high vax areas of comparable sizes.

Funny you picked Arkansas. They have 8 deaths, not 20 for comparable population size to SF. Less than half for a population that is half as vax'd as SF if you want to link anything.

Ok. 0 in SF compared to 8 daily deaths in Arkansas. Or 20 in Arkansas versus 0 in SF, depending on which population size is your default.

Sounds like the mask + vaccine plan has fewer covid deaths than the no mask + no vaccine plan.

Any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with high daily deaths?

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Ok. 0 in SF compared to 8 daily deaths in Arkansas. Or 20 in Arkansas versus 0 in SF, depending on which population size is your default.

Sounds like the mask + vaccine plan has fewer covid deaths than the no mask + no vaccine plan.

Any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with high daily deaths?

Good luck attempting to have a rational conversation with that one.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

comparable sizes.

Ah, see that's the thing. If you want to weaponize IFR measurements you should play by the same rules as those who are trying to get real epidemiological data. What sort of sample size do you need? What is the sampling density? What is the time period? What is the age structure of the sample population (that was likely a factor in Sweden's big up front mortality hit that Twitter Science seems to forget about for example)? Are you really doing an IFR calculation or just using cases as the denominator? Context. Here we see it starting to creep into play when you realize you can't plug 0 into the ratio.

 

[Grace T.]

I was considering starting a new thread called something like "Covid Karma" just listing those critics of covid-prevention policies who subsequently became ill with the disease, but then I realized I didn't want to spend all day looking for morbid stories.

Wow the fact you even thunk it shows what a horrible human being you are. We’re all eventually going to get it. At a minimum you’d think you’d limit your search to antivaxxers who subsequently came to acknowledge they made an error but guess that’s not you…no limiting principles.

My besties step daughter just came down with covid. Double vaxxed. Always wears a work supplies n 95 when she goes out even walking. Doesn’t fly, doesn’t do bars or indoor dining, doesn’t go to the gym anymore. Probably caught it at work. Despite everyone who fell ill being masked gave it to her double vaxxed cousin and double vaxxed uncle at an outdoor bbq where everyone was masked except eating. She and the cous in 20s had the sniffles for 4 days (wouldn’t have know if hadn’t tested for work). Uncle in his 50s more ill like the flu with fever and cough but at day 10 improving and no breathing or hospital problems. Bestie was at same bbq with her Hubbie but they were both unmasked and have natural immunity and did not come down with it, despite step daughter coming to shelter in place with them once confirmed positive.

 

[espola]

Wow the fact you even thunk it shows what a horrible human being you are. We’re all eventually going to get it. At a minimum you’d think you’d limit your search to antivaxxers who subsequently came to acknowledge they made an error but guess that’s not you…no limiting principles.

I don't see that at all. To me, the horrible human beings in this issue are those who campaign against common sense and science for selfish or political reasons. I was thinking of nominating as my first self-induced victim DIck Ferrel, a Florida radio personality who declared the vaccine to be poisonous, and then died from covid a few weeks later.

Right Wing Radio Host, Anti-Vaxxer, and Trump Supporter Dick Ferrell Dies From COVID-19.

As the Queen songs says, “Another one bites the dust.” Dick Farrell Death – Obituary, Anti-Vaccination Florida-based radio host And Trump Supporter Dies Of Covid Dick Farrell, Newsmax Radio host and Trump supporter, has passed away due to Covid...

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If that makes me a horrible person, then just ignore what I have to say on the subject. And maybe ignore him, too, obviously.

 

[Grace T.]

Ok. 0 in SF compared to 8 daily deaths in Arkansas. Or 20 in Arkansas versus 0 in SF, depending on which population size is your default.

Sounds like the mask + vaccine plan has fewer covid deaths than the no mask + no vaccine plan.

Any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with high daily deaths?

Or you could compare the no mask high vaccinated places like in the uk v masked high vaccinated places and maybe realize the masks aren’t doing that much esp ag the delta???

 

[dad4]

Or you could compare the no mask high vaccinated places like in the uk v masked high vaccinated places and maybe realize the masks aren’t doing that much esp ag the delta???

The anti-mask loons like you have half a leg to stand on. You're wrong, but it takes a little work to show it.

The anti-vax loons like BIZ have nothing. You can logically throw their arguments in the trash after one look at the hospital admissions for vax versus unvax.

So, Biz, any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with above average covid deaths?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Wasn't that the advice he gave Pinochet? It's a feature not a bug.

You mean because Pinochet was a big vaxx fan?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Ok. 0 in SF compared to 8 daily deaths in Arkansas. Or 20 in Arkansas versus 0 in SF, depending on which population size is your default.

Sounds like the mask + vaccine plan has fewer covid deaths than the no mask + no vaccine plan.

Any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with high daily deaths?

No. Makes me wonder why SF is masking up. Lol!

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Good luck attempting to have a rational conversation with that one.

Popped out of the bubble for a second did ya?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Ah, see that's the thing. If you want to weaponize IFR measurements you should play by the same rules as those who are trying to get real epidemiological data. What sort of sample size do you need? What is the sampling density? What is the time period? What is the age structure of the sample population (that was likely a factor in Sweden's big up front mortality hit that Twitter Science seems to forget about for example)? Are you really doing an IFR calculation or just using cases as the denominator? Context. Here we see it starting to creep into play when you realize you can't plug 0 into the ratio.

Real epidemiological data? This pandemic event is being compared to itself. When have we ever used PCR testing to shut down the world economy? Maybe during the first SAR's?

 

[Bruddah IZ]

The anti-mask loons like you have half a leg to stand on. You're wrong, but it takes a little work to show it.

The anti-vax loons like BIZ have nothing. You can logically throw their arguments in the trash after one look at the hospital admissions for vax versus unvax.

So, Biz, any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with above average covid deaths?

No. But zero deaths sounds like a good reason to lose the mask. Lol!

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

You mean because Pinochet was a big vaxx fan?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Pinochet was a books of leviticus and deuteronomy, the law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers type of guy. Dylan said that song got away from him and became its own monster. not the first time in history. probably not the last.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Pinochet was a books of leviticus and deuteronomy, the law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers type of guy. Dylan said that song got away from him and became its own monster. not the first time in history. probably not the last.

He sounds like a true believer? Did he know?

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

Real epidemiological data? This pandemic event is being compared to itself. When have we ever used PCR testing to shut down the world economy? Maybe during the first SAR's?

No. IFR is meant to provide an intrinsic value for a given pathological agent. You can track it over time or bin it into different components of a population but it is best measured across large sets of data precisely to normalize for the differences you are wanting to highlight. Otherwise you can just think of IFRs being draw up by a redistricting committee. Draw the boundaries for the calculation across whatever sampling set, density, geographic region time periods etc until you flip a ratio of voters one way or another.

That does not mean there are not interesting and likely informative differences in susceptibility between different peoples, exposure patterns and the like. For example, since you seem interested in the interface between innate and acquired immunity, Twitter Science points to both Sweden and India being success stories for a non-intervention approach to CoV-2. Sweden has a sero-positivity of maybe low 20% while India has a sero-positivity of upper 60% something like that. Assuming that is not simply a reflection of delta vs earlier variants, its quite possibly saying something about immunological responses in the underlying populations. There are interesting hypotheses for what that could be.

And I agree there is an issue about PCR case positive vs how one wants to define an infection. The CDC IMO did not do themselves any favors with their latest release. Most of it we already knew and the potentially new stuff was confusing.

 

[crush]

I don't see that at all. To me, the horrible human beings in this issue are those who campaign against common sense and science for selfish or political reasons. I was thinking of nominating as my first self-induced victim DIck Ferrel, a Florida radio personality who declared the vaccine to be poisonous, and then died from covid a few weeks later.

Right Wing Radio Host, Anti-Vaxxer, and Trump Supporter Dick Ferrell Dies From COVID-19.

As the Queen songs says, “Another one bites the dust.” Dick Farrell Death – Obituary, Anti-Vaccination Florida-based radio host And Trump Supporter Dies Of Covid Dick Farrell, Newsmax Radio host and Trump supporter, has passed away due to Covid...

www.dailykos.com

If that makes me a horrible person, then just ignore what I have to say on the subject. And maybe ignore him, too, obviously.

Cruel man you truly are Uncle Espola. Most of my friends WHO took jab have fallen ill at one time or another sense taking last jab. All of them will not take booster, trust me. No one has gone to the hospital or ICU or to the Coroner that I know personally over the last 18 months. I always get second hand or even third hand gossip, which we all take with a grain of salt. All my homeless friends I help from time to time are doing awesome. Food & cloths and beach cave and super happy actually.

Dr. Espola- Medical Examiner/Coroner & Uncle

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

He sounds like a true believer? Did he know?

As much as Hayek and company knew.

 

[Grace T.]

The anti-mask loons like you have half a leg to stand on. You're wrong, but it takes a little work to show it.

The anti-vax loons like BIZ have nothing. You can logically throw their arguments in the trash after one look at the hospital admissions for vax versus unvax.

So, Biz, any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with above average covid deaths?

I thought it just involves prayer to the mask god. ^\_(;?)_/^ The funny thing is you don’t recognize your unflappable faith in masks is the same as his in natural immunity.

 

[Grace T.]

I don't see that at all. To me, the horrible human beings in this issue are those who campaign against common sense and science for selfish or political reasons. I was thinking of nominating as my first self-induced victim DIck Ferrel, a Florida radio personality who declared the vaccine to be poisonous, and then died from covid a few weeks later.

Right Wing Radio Host, Anti-Vaxxer, and Trump Supporter Dick Ferrell Dies From COVID-19.

As the Queen songs says, “Another one bites the dust.” Dick Farrell Death – Obituary, Anti-Vaccination Florida-based radio host And Trump Supporter Dies Of Covid Dick Farrell, Newsmax Radio host and Trump supporter, has passed away due to Covid...

www.dailykos.com

If that makes me a horrible person, then just ignore what I have to say on the subject. And maybe ignore him, too, obviously.

Bit ghoulish but you do you. I’m just happy you are finally showing us all your true self.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

No. But zero deaths sounds like a good reason to lose the mask. Lol!

Which is the case for 59 of Arkansas 75 counties.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I thought it just involves prayer to the mask god. ^\_(;?)_/^ The funny thing is you don’t recognize your unflappable faith in masks is the same as his in natural immunity.

Well natural immunity is mandated.