Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
Argentina is the perfect example of lockdown fatigue. Some of the longest, strictist lockdowns, very rigorous mask mandate. When they eased, they didn't go full Florida/Sweden. But as everywhere, eventually they had to ease or the country would collapse. They got this....
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Argentina Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
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If I follow your point, Argentina had strong restrictions and relatively low deaths. Then, they relaxed the restrictions and got higher death rates.

You’ll understand if I think this proves a different point than you think it proves.
 
dad4 said:
If I follow your point, Argentina had strong restrictions and relatively low deaths. Then, they relaxed the restrictions and got higher death rates.

You’ll understand if I think this proves a different point than you think it proves.
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They had very strong restrictions for the longest time...some of the toughest in the world. When they relaxed, they didn't go full Sweden/Florida. NO country has been able to sustain a lockdown 15 months. Argentina got the closest. In the end, too much fatigue sets in. My point is rather than the Los Angeles/Argentina approach, a system which targets escalations might have served better (which BTW is closer to the Germany case you lockdowners touted early on).
 
Grace T. said:
They had very strong restrictions for the longest time...some of the toughest in the world. When they relaxed, they didn't go full Sweden/Florida. NO country has been able to sustain a lockdown 15 months. Argentina got the closest. In the end, too much fatigue sets in. My point is rather than the Los Angeles/Argentina approach, a system which targets escalations might have served better (which BTW is closer to the Germany case you lockdowners touted early on).
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To reiterate, no country....not even China/Australia/New Zealand has had a 15 month lockdown. Peru almost collapsed after 6. What Australia/NZ did is very different....they shut down seeding events and use the hammer any time there's 1 case. Shutting down seeding events means a very tight control on the border. It took Biden until today to shut down airtraffic to India and you can still come in from India (you just have to fly to a hub that still has connecting flights....it's not a total travel ban).
 
Grace T. said:
South Dakota suing the admin for cancelling the fireworks show. You'll recall last year Trump went to the show despite COVID. Biden admin is citing COVID (as well as tribal land concerns and environment) despite the ceremony being outdoor.

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Where does everyone eat dinner before the show? When they need to pee, do they go inside? Is there a line? Is there a line at the concession stand? How many people in the line wear masks, and how many insist it is their right not to?

When they say outside is safe, they are talking about hanging out with a couple of friends at the beach. They don’t mean thousands of people at a fireworks show.
 
dad4 said:
Where does everyone eat dinner before the show? When they need to pee, do they go inside? Is there a line? Is there a line at the concession stand? How many people in the line wear masks, and how many insist it is their right not to?

When they say outside is safe, they are talking about hanging out with a couple of friends at the beach. They don’t mean thousands of people at a fireworks show.
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They did do it last year, without vaccines. Hey...do you think maybe that's what it's really all about? Color me shocked.
 
dad4 said:
Where does everyone eat dinner before the show? When they need to pee, do they go inside? Is there a line? Is there a line at the concession stand? How many people in the line wear masks, and how many insist it is their right not to?

When they say outside is safe, they are talking about hanging out with a couple of friends at the beach. They don’t mean thousands of people at a fireworks show.
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Mt. Rushmore is unusual. There is usually no entrance charge, but there is a $10 mandatory parking fee at the memorial site (less for seniors and military).
 
Not knocking anyone for using Twitter, (as I've been known to enjoy a tweet or two,) but it goes to show you how easily we are fed information that slants towards what we * already believe. Like that Tweet would never show up in my feed, KWIM?
 
Grace T. said:
Again if anything in the tweet is wrong please speak up. Anything? Bueller? Bueller?
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What is there to rebut?

He quotes a single data point, then asserts that his one data point proves that Fauci and Biden were wrong.

This is not even the skeleton of a logical argument. He looked up one data point and made an unsupported conclusion. That's it.
 
dad4 said:
What is there to rebut?

He quotes a single data point, then asserts that his one data point proves that Fauci and Biden were wrong.

This is not even the skeleton of a logical argument. He looked up one data point and made an unsupported conclusion. That's it.
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Ok, I'll play. That's 3 data points, deaths, hospitalizations and cases dropped dramatically after the mask mandate was eliminated and Texas was opened 100%. I'm I missing a data point that's more relevant? No one is claiming cause and effect, but Biden called the Texas reopening "neanderthal thinking" and Fauci called it "inexplicable" and claimed it would lead to another surge. They both couldn't have been more wrong, The exact opposite happened with Covid and the economy has boomed. Where's our federal leadership? Fauci needs to go back to AIDS research, he is clueless about Covid (not that anyone really understands it, but he pretends like he does) and if he has ever taken a public policy class he obviously slept through it.
 
dad4 said:
You just proved that at least one person on Twitter doesn't like Fauci.

This was not exactly news.
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The thing is the states like Texas and Florida, that totally ignored Fauci's advice seem to generally have about the same rates of hospitalization and death as everyone else. Except Texas and Florida avoided destroying their economies.

Fauci was a stead hand through all this crazy year, and I don't doubt for a moment is a good man doing the best that he can in difficult times. But at some point the conversation has to turn to what went wrong, and how could be do better next time.
 
dad4 said:
What is there to rebut?

He quotes a single data point, then asserts that his one data point proves that Fauci and Biden were wrong.

This is not even the skeleton of a logical argument. He looked up one data point and made an unsupported conclusion. That's it.
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Man, I need to get into this epidemiological advice business. Bad predictions for 9% of the US population can be passed off as a single "data point". Good luck ever getting enough data points for a real study. Texas dropping statewide masking requirements didn't move the needle because behavior didn't really change. People didn't suddenly throw away their masks or stop wearing them. Localities decided what was appropriate. What a concept.
 
watfly said:
By far? I disagree. I think Biden's optics of continuing to wear a mask outside and panicking when he can't find a mask is undermining the message that vaccines are effective, at least as much as the J&J pause.

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Is Biden's reaction to losing his mask impacting whether people decide to get a vaccine or not? I guess I'm immune to "COVID Theatre" now and assume others are as well. I still imagine that lectern cleaning post from @Desert Hound as a Benny Hill skit with Yakety Sax playing in the background.
 
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