Bad News Thread

I agree this is the most likely scenario, perhaps a bit worse or a bit better depending on the types of variants and when the children's vaccine rolls out (and how much a mess they make of it with the mandate issue). Basically a touch and go spring (but with the IFR falling to the floor), almost back to normal summer, periodic outbreaks in the fall/winter, afterwards it becomes something like a mild flu and is pretty much forgotten. Their biggest challenge from them on will be getting people to actually take the boosters.


www.theatlantic.com

The Most Likely Timeline for Life to Return to Normal

An uncertain spring, an amazing summer, a cautious fall and winter, and then, finally, relief.
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Grace T. said:
when the children's vaccine rolls out
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Why worry about a kids vaccine?

As of today according to the CDC there have been 204 deaths of people 17 and under due to covid.

Vaccinate the 65 and older age groups and that takes care of 80% or more of the problem. Then vaccinate people in other age groups that have health risks and this thing becomes a non issue.

We cannot let the unions/politicians pretend that a vaccine is what is needed for schooling/sports, etc for the youth.

204 people over the course of a year....there is no risk to this age group whatsoever.
 
Desert Hound said:
Why worry about a kids vaccine?

As of today according to the CDC there have been 204 deaths of people 17 and under due to covid.

Vaccinate the 65 and older age groups and that takes care of 80% or more of the problem. Then vaccinate people in other age groups that have health risks and this thing becomes a non issue.

We cannot let the unions/politicians pretend that a vaccine is what is needed for schooling/sports, etc for the youth.

204 people over the course of a year....there is no risk to this age group whatsoever.
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You and I agree on that. But short of a rebellion by people, until there's a widely available kids vaccine, we are looking at masks in schools, some school districts (like LA and SF) in hybrid, repeated testing of kids, suspension of dances proms and other social activities, disruptions of school/sports when some kid comes down positive every once in a while, restrictions on socialization of kids. I agree it's lunacy, but that's the most likely scenario right now for the next school year in blue states, short of a major rebellion by parents....no "normal" in the schools in major blue cities next year. It's all getting pretty close to too late to do anything about it....if that ship is going to turn it needs to turn by April-May at the latest. Most of the states/school districts have widely thrown the CDC's recommendations in the trash (CA even notably resuming team sports despite the CDC/Fauci saying no til blue). But the one thing which is really hard for the big school districts to get around is the 6 foot requirement.
 
Pretty much all of the EU, from Finland in the north (which is setting a new national record) to Greece in the south is on the rise now. Only the island of Ireland, non-member Switzerland, and the 2 hardest hit countries of Spain (which already had 3 waves) and Belgium are being spared.
 
Grace T. said:
Pretty much all of the EU, from Finland in the north (which is setting a new national record) to Greece in the south is on the rise now. Only the island of Ireland, non-member Switzerland, and the 2 hardest hit countries of Spain (which already had 3 waves) and Belgium are being spared.
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Portugal too.
 
O.k. this is one of the more stupid tests. First, why reward bad behavior. Second, how many North Carolinans haven't smoked 100 cigarettes in their lifetime. Third, if you really want the vaccine, what's to stop people from lying about it. Fourth, if you really don't want to lie just smoke 100 cigarettes before the date....I have a feeling the smoking rate in North Carolina is about to go through the roof. This one wins the award for stupidest vaccine test (where is that SNL skit?) if true.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1366836781816176641
 
Grace T. said:
O.k. this is one of the more stupid tests. First, why reward bad behavior. Second, how many North Carolinans haven't smoked 100 cigarettes in their lifetime. Third, if you really want the vaccine, what's to stop people from lying about it. Fourth, if you really don't want to lie just smoke 100 cigarettes before the date....I have a feeling the smoking rate in North Carolina is about to go through the roof. This one wins the award for stupidest vaccine test (where is that SNL skit?) if true.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1366836781816176641
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New Jersey as well.

www.nytimes.com

Smokers in N.J. Are Eligible for Vaccine. No Proof Needed. (Published 2021)

New Jersey is one of only two states that has included smoking among the high-risk medical conditions that make people eligible for the Covid-19 vaccine.
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Grace T. said:
I'm putting this in the bad news thread for @dad4's sake.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1366846908480815106
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Abbott is being a political twit.

He has the data on masks, he knows they work, and he repeals the mask rule anyway.

Why? He needs a distraction. Repealing a mask mandate is easier than talking about the near complete failure of the electric grid and natural gas infrastructure.

So Abbott repeals the mask rule to distract people from their broken water pipes.
 
On the bright side, the May 31 date for mass vaccination comes before the more worrisome variants can become widespread.

As long as the vaccines offer at least partial immunity, that should help us avoid a SA or Brazil variant spike this fall.

That is, unless we all decide to tear off our masks while we party like Caligula. Then you’d still see a spike.
 
dad4 said:
Abbott is being a political twit.

He has the data on masks, he knows they work, and he repeals the mask rule anyway.

Why? He needs a distraction. Repealing a mask mandate is easier than talking about the near complete failure of the electric grid and natural gas infrastructure.

So Abbott repeals the mask rule to distract people from their broken water pipes.
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If I can steal your favorite Grace quote, (and change it a bit,) I believe this would qualify as "Politicians gonna politic"
 
dad4 said:
Abbott is being a political twit.

He has the data on masks, he knows they work, and he repeals the mask rule anyway.

Why? He needs a distraction. Repealing a mask mandate is easier than talking about the near complete failure of the electric grid and natural gas infrastructure.

So Abbott repeals the mask rule to distract people from their broken water pipes.
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It's a smart bet for him. If the apparent downward trend in infections continues, he looks like a prophet. Otherwise, he can tough it out along with the no-mask "freedom" crowd.
 
Grace T. said:
You and I agree on that. But short of a rebellion by people, until there's a widely available kids vaccine, we are looking at masks in schools, some school districts (like LA and SF) in hybrid, repeated testing of kids, suspension of dances proms and other social activities, disruptions of school/sports when some kid comes down positive every once in a while, restrictions on socialization of kids. I agree it's lunacy, but that's the most likely scenario right now for the next school year in blue states, short of a major rebellion by parents....no "normal" in the schools in major blue cities next year. It's all getting pretty close to too late to do anything about it....if that ship is going to turn it needs to turn by April-May at the latest. Most of the states/school districts have widely thrown the CDC's recommendations in the trash (CA even notably resuming team sports despite the CDC/Fauci saying no til blue). But the one thing which is really hard for the big school districts to get around is the 6 foot requirement.
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I'm pretty sure that teachers and support staff (schools) are in the higher priority groups for the vaccine so that schools can be safely (for the adults) opened again. That's the stated position of the Pres./WH at least and is seen (from their statements) as a main priority. So I don't understand why you think this bleeds into the next school year. That strikes me as hyperbolic TBH.

As an aside, my kids are in private $chool$ and have been open for most of the current school year. There have been few outbreaks, but mask wearing and bubbles are mandatory and non-negotiable. If you don't comply, you are done. That's easier to do in a private school obv. Some kids are online due to personal choice (high risk / fear etc.). So I'm in the kids should be in school "camp" fwiw.
 
whatithink said:
I'm pretty sure that teachers and support staff (schools) are in the higher priority groups for the vaccine so that schools can be safely (for the adults) opened again. That's the stated position of the Pres./WH at least and is seen (from their statements) as a main priority. So I don't understand why you think this bleeds into the next school year. That strikes me as hyperbolic TBH.

As an aside, my kids are in private $chool$ and have been open for most of the current school year. There have been few outbreaks, but mask wearing and bubbles are mandatory and non-negotiable. If you don't comply, you are done. That's easier to do in a private school obv. Some kids are online due to personal choice (high risk / fear etc.). So I'm in the kids should be in school "camp" fwiw.
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Because both San Francisco and LAUSD have announced they are planning hybrid for next year. LAUSD also has a new testing protocol (which sadly our school pioneered and the County fell in love with) requiring the testing of students (I posted the video up above). Also the mask thing is likely to be required even in the private schools until kid's are vaccinated, and under the CDC school "reopening" plan students are required to maintain distance even in the blue.

Kids will be in school next school. However, if you are in a public school in a large blue city it's not going to look anything like "normal" and some of that is even going to bleed into the private schools in these cities. Even Biden yesterday said he's hoping for a return to normal generally, if we are lucky, at this time NEXT year. And if you have an exposure, your kid is still going to be sent home until they are tested, which means disruptions.
 
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