5 biological men roster wins Australian women's soccer league title & also undefeated this season

I think we have and I agree that they should be allowed to compete with biological woman because they are just that. But there is a big BUT in this…

Due to the fact there is no clear-cut way to distinguish between natural high testosterone levels and doping, I believe they need to be given the options to adjust their T levels if they wish to enter the biological arena.
Doesn't that leave the door open a little bit to GraceT's argument that women are on a spectrum. I.e. she's an X chromosome woman, but she looks too much like a dude and has high T, so she's really not a woman for competition purposes. I still struggle with T being the defining measure of the level of advantage (or of manhood vs womanhood) and "forcing" a woman to take a serious feminizing hormone, a potential health risk, to compete. A woman having high T doesn't mean she necessarily has an advantage, just that her T levels are closer to a normal male vs normal female...i.e. more guy like than girl like.

Agreed that the sticky wicket is the level of natural vs unnatural T. However, I would think you might be able to alleviate that issue somewhat with baseline testing, and address the spikes which would be more likely to indicate doping. (I'm way outside of my area of expertise here).

I struggle with someone telling me that if I had a masculine daughter that she's too manly and needs to dial it down with hormone treatment.

I guess I'm just simple minded. You have only X or X's, your a woman, or female. If you have any Y's your a man, or male. If you have a condition or genetics where you have either feminine or masculine traits outside of typical biology*? So be it, you may have hit the lottery for sports, but probably not so much for other things.

*Although the only issue that seems to concern anyone is biological males leaning female when it comes to sports, bathrooms and massages.
 
Good night, everyone. Veritas, super high props again for being a trophy winner and getting all those points and praise from da man. I'm tired and need to go to sleep. Grace T, I would love to see you and Slobo out on a friend date. Veritas and Grace T were amazing with finding middle ground, without giving up their true core values. I have hope after tonight that we can come together as a country. Good night my friends.
 
Doesn't that leave the door open a little bit to GraceT's argument that women are on a spectrum. I.e. she's an X chromosome woman, but she looks too much like a dude and has high T, so she's really not a woman for competition purposes. I still struggle with T being the defining measure of the level of advantage (or of manhood vs womanhood) and "forcing" a woman to take a serious feminizing hormone, a potential health risk, to compete. A woman having high T doesn't mean she necessarily has an advantage, just that her T levels are closer to a normal male vs normal female...i.e. more guy like than girl like.

Agreed that the sticky wicket is the level of natural vs unnatural T. However, I would think you might be able to alleviate that issue somewhat with baseline testing, and address the spikes which would be more likely to indicate doping. (I'm way outside of my area of expertise here).

I struggle with someone telling me that if I had a masculine daughter that she's too manly and needs to dial it down with hormone treatment.

I guess I'm just simple minded. You have only X or X's, your a woman, or female. If you have any Y's your a man, or male. If you have a condition or genetics where you have either feminine or masculine traits outside of typical biology*? So be it, you may have hit the lottery for sports, but probably not so much for other things.

*Although the only issue that seems to concern anyone is biological males leaning female when it comes to sports, bathrooms and massages.
O.k. last point and I promise I'm out...I'm not making a point....just something I found fascinating. A few studies dropped in recent weeks (I forget where and with whom, and yada yada all dad4's qualifications about study protocols) but one basically found that with men T is basically determinitive of a lot of things in life including their level of success in business, athletic prowess, number of children they tend to sire, crime. Now there was a second one and it actually found a correlation between t and political affiliation. Now you might say this study is complete hokum, but they found low t men tend to be democrats and high t men tend to be republicans....and most fascinating of all, when you gave the beta males t, they tended to take more conservative positions on the issues. Finally, there were some t studies and a birth study done on women. On the women it found that women who are abnormally high in t for long periods of time have certain frontal cortex growth associated with higher reasoning, math skills (taboo!) and an increase in IQ. Another study found that the effect is also reproduced by women giving birth to children...that they literally became smarter once they had children. I didn't have time to read all these so yes dad4 agendas and protocols....they just came across my flash feed. O.k. I'm out. Bye y'alls. Was fun.
 
O.k. last point and I promise I'm out...I'm not making a point....just something I found fascinating. A few studies dropped in recent weeks (I forget where and with whom, and yada yada all dad4's qualifications about study protocols) but one basically found that with men T is basically determinitive of a lot of things in life including their level of success in business, athletic prowess, number of children they tend to sire, crime. Now there was a second one and it actually found a correlation between t and political affiliation. Now you might say this study is complete hokum, but they found low t men tend to be democrats and high t men tend to be republicans....and most fascinating of all, when you gave the beta males t, they tended to take more conservative positions on the issues. Finally, there were some t studies and a birth study done on women. On the women it found that women who are abnormally high in t for long periods of time have certain frontal cortex growth associated with higher reasoning, math skills (taboo!) and an increase in IQ. Another study found that the effect is also reproduced by women giving birth to children...that they literally became smarter once they had children. I didn't have time to read all these so yes dad4 agendas and protocols....they just came across my flash feed. O.k. I'm out. Bye y'alls. Was fun.
There is a lot of fodder there!
 
@Grace T. Here is the reality Grace and I respect all your arguments and pov’s but if you can’t provide us with a simple definition of the meaning of the word woman, then we will never come close to a resolution but continue in an endless infinite mathematical loop. Because if we can’t come to terms in agreement to what that means then we are talkng apples 🍎 to oranges.🍊
No... it's 'irrelevant' because she can't answer it and still support her ridiculous argument.
 
I think there are a lot more important issues in youth sports than this. I've been at several hundred of girls soccer games and has never been an issue. More commonly on the safety side, I see muggings that are only given yellows which could easily lead to concussions or ACL injuries. Today at my daughter's soccer game, high, hard, and late slide tackle from behind completely took out our striker's legs and she fell straight onto her head and had a Grade 2 concussion. For me, should have been a straight red but ref only gave a yellow. As far as I could tell, the offender was properly gendered for GU15.
 
I think there are a lot more important issues in youth sports than this. I've been at several hundred of girls soccer games and has never been an issue. More commonly on the safety side, I see muggings that are only given yellows which could easily lead to concussions or ACL injuries. Today at my daughter's soccer game, high, hard, and late slide tackle from behind completely took out our striker's legs and she fell straight onto her head and had a Grade 2 concussion. For me, should have been a straight red but ref only gave a yellow. As far as I could tell, the offender was properly gendered for GU15.
This discussion goes well beyond youth sports if you read thru it all. It goes all the way to the USWNT and Olympic level. And although you've never seen it be an issue, it's obivously happening. Look at the swimming world.
Better yet, ask yourself. If some MTF player who is way stronger than your kid lays your daughter out, how would you feel? Then you find out this isn't the first time this biological male has done this. How would you feel? Or he beats your daughter out for a spot on the girls roster?
This is what this thread is about.
 
This discussion goes well beyond youth sports if you read thru it all. It goes all the way to the USWNT and Olympic level. And although you've never seen it be an issue, it's obivously happening. Look at the swimming world.
Better yet, ask yourself. If some MTF player who is way stronger than your kid lays your daughter out, how would you feel? Then you find out this isn't the first time this biological male has done this. How would you feel? Or he beats your daughter out for a spot on the girls roster?
This is what this thread is about.
The biggest issue regarding girls' soccer is allowing a biological male beating your daughter out for a spot on the team, then taking showers and undressing with other girls while this man who claims to be a lady is carrying a loaded pistol and then can go out and beat the shit out of other females in girls only sport. WNT has already made a deal to support the first open MTF to the roster. It's about when, not if. When you allow this cheating to go on, then the girls will be replaced. A man is a woman is the biggest scam ever, even over the jabs.
 
A transgender fencer has come second in a tournament just six months after taking up the sport, hammering female rivals who've been competing for years.

Annika Rose Suchoski took on some of the best female fencers from the United States and Canada at the Fortune Fencing Regional Championships this month.


She placed second behind veteran fencer Meghan Pinchuk, who was undefeated in the competition.

1727098486152.png
 
A transgender fencer has come second in a tournament just six months after taking up the sport, hammering female rivals who've been competing for years.

Annika Rose Suchoski took on some of the best female fencers from the United States and Canada at the Fortune Fencing Regional Championships this month.


She placed second behind veteran fencer Meghan Pinchuk, who was undefeated in the competition.

View attachment 23310
In fairness, Crush, all 4 of them look like trannies. Maybe it's the sport?
 
Indiana judge rules prison must provide transgender surgery for inmate who killed baby

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued the Indiana Department of Corrections last year on behalf of a “transgender” inmate, Jonathan C. Richardson, also known as Autumn Cordellionè, who was convicted of strangling his 11-month-old stepdaughter to death in 2001.


1727146933444.png
 
Indiana judge rules prison must provide transgender surgery for inmate who killed baby

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) sued the Indiana Department of Corrections last year on behalf of a “transgender” inmate, Jonathan C. Richardson, also known as Autumn Cordellionè, who was convicted of strangling his 11-month-old stepdaughter to death in 2001.



View attachment 23322
Let me guess... the libtards say this animal needs life saving, tranny surgery and the taxpayers have to fund it?

What's the cost of a bullet these days... $ .75? I'll donate a bag of Doritos to the commissary of any inmate volunteering to do it by hand.
 
Let me guess... the libtards say this animal needs life saving, tranny surgery and the taxpayers have to fund it?

What's the cost of a bullet these days... $ .75? I'll donate a bag of Doritos to the commissary of any inmate volunteering to do it by hand.
Trust me, the male prisoners know about him, and they would deal with him accordingly but now he's saying he's a woman. Kamala supports this crap.
 
Back
Top