2023 Season

Number7sDAD said:
Ok thank you.

@Jabroni she is on the team you had to cheat to beat its ok though we gonna be working hard over here and when we see y'all agian it won't matter who you bring
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Number7sDAD said:
It dont matter! Respect to the opponent always but we stay ready and welcome all challengers
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"You had to cheat"
"It won't matter who you bring"
"Respect to the opponent always"

You've made like 3 posts and you're already contradicting yourself. I'm pretty sure I know which team you're from and based off your username I believe I know which dad you are. Please tell me you're not the dude who was loudly yelling at his kid to slide tackle the goalkeeper?
 
TheStr1kerz said:
Surf Cup brackets...who do we think makes it out of the groups?

Best of the Best 11v11
Best of the Best 9v9
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The big day is here and we didn't get any predictions? I will give mine...

11v11
Group A... Surf
Group B....DKSC
Group C...Slammers
Group D...Blues
Surf over DKSC
Blues over Slammers
Surf over Blues

9v9
Group A...Rangers
Group B...BVB
Group C...City SC
Wild Card...Eagles
Rangers over Eagles
City over BVB
City over Rangers
 
I have not seen a lot of these teams since last year and I do not know what the rosters look like to predict. Blues and Surf were the top of the age group last year by a large margin with Blues being the better of the 2 generally speaking.
 
Best of the Best 11 v 11
TeamNationalRating
Hawaii Rush Hawaii Rush 12G (Hawaii)??
SC Blues SC Blues G12 Mulligan/Rennie (Lime) (CalSouth)143.58
San Diego Surf Pre ECNL Girls (Walker) 2012 (CalSouth)342.3
CDA Slammers HB Slammers HB G12 Elite Crowley (CalSouth)442.17
DKSC DKSC 12G BADTOP - JM (Texas)541.89
Real Colorado 2012G National (Colorado)941.33
Rebels Rebels Elite (CalSouth)1740.96
Beach FC G12 Pre-ECNL Souza/Ayala (CalSouth)1840.93
Slammers Slammers HBK Pre-ECNL G12 (CalSouth)2440.72
MVLA MVLA 12G PSG Blue (CalNorth)3140.23
Slammers FC G12 Boatman (CalSouth)3540.11
Pateadores Pateadores G12 Pre-ECNL A (CalSouth)4139.8
DMCV Sharks G2012 Premier I (CalSouth)5339.53
SoCal Blues 2012 Shelton (CalSouth)5739.42
CDA Slammers FC HB Slammers G12 Zermeno (CalSouth)8138.95
Legends FC G12 Pre ECNL (CalSouth)11138.46
Best of the Best 9 v 9
TeamNationalRating
DKSC DKSC 12G Pre-ECNL Lopez (Texas)??
Surf Hawaii Surf Hawaii 2012 Girls (Hawaii)??
City SC Carlsbad City SC Carlsbad G2012 Pre-Academy- Hunt (CalSouth)2240.73
BVB BVB 12G Pre-ECNL Yellow (Texas)5439.51
Rangers FC G2012 White (CalSouth)5539.47
Eagles Soccer Club Eagles G2012 (CalSouth)7339.05
Crossfire Premier Crossfire Premier 2012A (Washington)7839
Sand and Surf Soccer Club G12 Elite (CalSouth)9638.65
Eastside FC G12 Red (Washington)10338.51
San Francisco Elite Academy SFEA 2012G Blue (CalNorth)14437.99
Sporting Slammers Sporting Slammers G12 Koko (CalSouth)27037.03
Seattle Celtic Seattle Celtic G12 Green (Washington)34036.57
Super Black (2nd Flight)
TeamNationalRating
Surrey Football Club Pegasus (British Columbia)??
Rhode Island Surf G2012 Central Blue (Rhode Island)6139.35
California Odyssey 2012 Pre-NPL (CalNorth)7739
La Roca La Roca 2012 - FB (Utah)8938.81
East County Surf G2012 Pre E64 (CalSouth)10738.47
SDSCSurf SdscSurf12GBlue (CalSouth)17037.69
San Diego Surf San Diego Surf Academy Girls 2012 (CalSouth)21337.32
Placer United Soccer Club 12G Pre-ECNL (CalNorth)23237.23
Surf Inland Surf G12 (CalSouth)25737.09
Eagles Soccer Club Eagles White G12 (CalSouth)33036.64
Matrix G2012E Morgan (CalSouth)32936.64
MVLA MVLA 12G Navy (CalNorth)35036.52
Super White (3rd Flight)
TeamNationalRating
Liverpool Football Club International Academy - WA LFC IA WA G12 Pre-GA (Washington)??
East Coast Fc G2012 (New York)13638.13
Beach FC Beach FC SB Kutscher 2012 Pre-ECRL (CalSouth)13938.07
Santa Clara Sporting 12G Green Pre-GA (CalNorth)14937.95
Spartans FC Spartans FC G2012 Black (CalSouth)17637.64
Titans FC G12 Titans Elite (Washington)36036.48
Santa Rosa United Santa Rosa United 2012G Pre-ECNL (CalNorth)38936.35
Impact 2012 PB (Utah) (2013 Team)?35.87
Seattle United G2012 Copa (Washington)60435.3
Palo Alto Soccer Club Palo Alto SC 12G Blue Pre-Academy (CalNorth)63135.21
SD Surf Surf G2012 (Faramarzi) (CalSouth)83234.51
South Bay Surf SC SB Surf G2012 Blue (CalSouth)88334.33
 
TheStr1kerz said:
The big day is here and we didn't get any predictions? I will give mine...

11v11
Group A... Surf
Group B....DKSC
Group C...Slammers
Group D...Blues
Surf over DKSC
Blues over Slammers
Surf over Blues
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6 out of 6 correct! With finals still TBD Surf vs Blues!

TheStr1kerz said:
9v9
Group A...Rangers
Group B...BVB
Group C...City SC
Wild Card...Eagles
Rangers over Eagles
City over BVB
City over Rangers
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2 out of 4 correct in group stage. Crossfire vs Rangers currently underway in the finals..

Crossfire brought some really good boys teams as well.
Don't know too much about Washington teams but seems like Crossfire is a strong club up there.
 
RandomSoccerFan said:
A higher ranked team in SR (that is in the top 100 nationally) beats a lower ranked team 75% of the time. Not 50%. For comparison, a higher ranked team in SR (including the entire data set) beats a lower ranked team 83.4% of the time. (these numbers were shared for this thread as of beginning of April).
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Does this matter in how much gap there is from higher ranked vs lower ranked?

For example, a 7th ranked team vs 12th ranked team might be a toss up no? Compared to, say a 5h ranked team vs a 70th ranked team when it'll be closer to the 75% win rate?
 
Socal-Soccer-Dad said:
Does this matter in how much gap there is from higher ranked vs lower ranked?

For example, a 7th ranked team vs 12th ranked team might be a toss up no? Compared to, say a 5h ranked team vs a 70th ranked team when it'll be closer to the 75% win rate?
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I don't believe so, no. For an individual game, the closer the actual ratings for each team are, the more of a toss-up. The more disparate the ratings, the less likely a toss-up. If one team is a 45.1 and another team is a 45.2, it may as well be a tossup. Doesn't matter if the teams are ranked 3rd and 4th, or 103rd and 104th. Same chances of the game outcomes. But in aggregate stats - if that 45.2 team beats that 45.1 team, it still counts as a win/success, but if that 45.1 team beats that 45.2 team, it still counts as a loss/failure. That higher ranked team will beat the lower ranked team 83% of the time - for games between all teams (whether the rating differences are 5 goals or 0.05 goals). The higher ranked team will beat the lower ranked team 75% of the time, where both teams are in the top 100 (whether the rating differences are 5 goals or 0.05 goals). That doesn't mean there is a necessarily a sliding scale that #1-#10 is least accurate, 45 - 55 is medium accurate, and 90-100 is most accurate, sliding up from 75% to 83%. If #1 is 3 goals stronger than #8, it is exceedingly likely that #1 will win. If #4 is .2 goals better than #9, that particular game is much closer to a toss-up.

Looking at 2010G, #1 team is 48.84, #10 team is 46.98, #20 team is 46.30, #50 team is 45.31, #75 team is 44.84, #100 team is 44.45. So the #1 team is expected to beat the #10 team by 2 goals, the #20 team by 2.5 goals, the #50 team by 3.5 goals, the #75 team by 4 goals, and the #100 team by 4.5 goals. From #1 to #20 there is a 2.5 goal difference, from #20 to #100 there is a ~2 goal difference. All of those potential games glommed together, with all combinations of top 100 teams actually playing each other, result in 75% predictions overall being correct - whether it was a game of #9 vs #10, or #1 vs #50. The likelihood of an accurate prediction of a win for any specific individual game, depends solely on the the ratings of the two teams themselves. (i.e. chances of #100 with a 44.45 beating #1 with a 48.84 are low, in fact SR predicts a 5-0 game, with an 84% chance of a win (for #1), 6% chance of a tie, and 10% chance of a loss).
 
Further down the #'s, here's what the rest of the ratings look like (2010G):

#500 41.52
#1000 39.71
#1500 38.43
#2000 37.16
#2500 35.51
#3000 33.03
#3100 31.84
#3192 25.82

Thinking it through - I believe the question you may be asking, is if the reason that the overall population is more accurate than just the top 100 population, potentially due to ratings differing between opponents moreso in the wider population, compared to the ratings differences for opponents in the top 100. It doesn't seem that way - but it is a question that Mark could pose to the database to confirm one way or the other. What are the average ratings differences for top 100 games, average ratings differences for all games, and even average ratings differences for all games minus the top 100. Yes - if #500 played #3100, there would be a 10 goal difference and it's more likely 2 meteorites take out both the keepers than #3100 winning - but I don't think it's very likely that there would be many situations where #500 is actually playing #3100 in a recorded game.
 
Socal-Soccer-Dad said:
6 out of 6 correct! With finals still TBD Surf vs Blues!



2 out of 4 correct in group stage. Crossfire vs Rangers currently underway in the finals..

Crossfire brought some really good boys teams as well.
Don't know too much about Washington teams but seems like Crossfire is a strong club up there.
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Surf blues was a toss up with both teams adding new pieces it really came down to who gelled better..
Crossfire and Eastside from washington were two of the best teams in the age. The other washington team that came down seattled united got spanked by everyone. Really suprised city sc did not make it through as at least the wild card
 
TheStr1kerz said:
@JabroniBeater805 what is the deal with the Eagles playing in CSL and beating on teams 17-0 and 10-1?
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Our girls have been playing well but the competition will continue to get tougher. Playing older, athletic girls in the top division in CSL (it is what it is and that's out of our control) provides a different set of challenges. After this season the team will move to ECNL anyway.
 
JabroniBeater805 said:
I'd put a small bet on these teams improving slightly over the season.
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For everyone's sake, I hope you're right. Nobody is learning much or enjoying themselves much with 17 point goal differentials, from any perspective - the winners, the losers, coaches, both sets of parents, refs, etc. They should give the losing team field goal opportunities for 3 points if they kick it directly over the goal.
 
JabroniBeater805 said:
That was the preference and the league said no.
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What is the reasoning Eagles gives parents for sticking with CSL? It can not be locale b/c you have league games in Lancaster, Santa Maria, Arcadia, Glendale, Sherman Oaks...surely you would be travelling less in SOCAL and the games would be more competitive
 
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