2023-24 Season

Blues are far and away the team to beat. During the season 8 matches, 7 wins 1 draw 0 losses with 38 goals for and 0 against. At the showcase 3 wins with 10 goals for 0 against. Beat #2, #14, #21 nationally since September...

Koge, Eagles, Legends, Surf round out top 5 but none of those teams are consistent with results
 
Blues are far and away the team to beat. During the season 8 matches, 7 wins 1 draw 0 losses with 38 goals for and 0 against. At the showcase 3 wins with 10 goals for 0 against. Beat #2, #14, #21 nationally since September...

Koge, Eagles, Legends, Surf round out top 5 but none of those teams are consistent with results
Keep an eye on Surf. The improvement in the last 3 months has been very very observable. They have the director of coaching as their coach and been very successful recruiting.
 
Blues are far and away the team to beat. During the season 8 matches, 7 wins 1 draw 0 losses with 38 goals for and 0 against. At the showcase 3 wins with 10 goals for 0 against. Beat #2, #14, #21 nationally since September...

Koge, Eagles, Legends, Surf round out top 5 but none of those teams are consistent with results
Unfortunately the best part about soccer doesn’t consist of “consistent” results. All it takes is that simple mistake to cause the team a title. Blues records don’t lie! They are on top of the league but I do believe Koge and Surf are right behind them and they are hungry to beat the top team.
Don’t get me wrong, Blues are still the team to beat which places them on the #1 spot.
 
Keep an eye on Surf. The improvement in the last 3 months has been very very observable. They have the director of coaching as their coach and been very successful recruiting.
Keep an eye on Surf. The improvement in the last 3 months has been very very observable. They have the director of coaching as their coach and been very successful recruiting.
Improvement and Successful Recruiting lol.
Met a dad at a local hotel bar and he was explaining how great the Surf training is. 3-4 training sess a week lasting over 4 hrs including reviewing footage! That’s great! Surf has always been a great time to watch. The possession is incredible. But! Why so deep on the bench! I mean holy cow! 19-21 players (ouch).
 
Any Surf Cup predictions? Blues, Pats and Surf ready to battle! A surprise unknown team “Crowlar FC” which is quite strange for Surf Cup. Does anyone have any insight? Wondering why top teams are not joining surf this year? Would’ve been great to see Koge, Beach, Legends and Eagles.
 
This Blues 11's team is solid all around in all positions especially defensively. The 10's team was not solid all around. 10's team had a few all star players that carried the team but lacked depth and did not have the strongest defense either. If this 11's team stays together, they have a shot at winning the national championship.
The 10’s only had the #1 defense in the Nation heading into Virginia for the National Title.
 

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Improvement and Successful Recruiting lol.
Met a dad at a local hotel bar and he was explaining how great the Surf training is. 3-4 training sess a week lasting over 4 hrs including reviewing footage! That’s great! Surf has always been a great time to watch. The possession is incredible. But! Why so deep on the bench! I mean holy cow! 19-21 players (ouch).
I hear you. I would suggest it is not the best for players and not the best for team morale. It IS good for clubs trying to pay its bills. So it creates tension. My preference would be for teams to carry 16 field players and two goal keepers, but who asked me...... Older teams need more players because of injuries are more prevalent. However, a lot of players are willing to get less game playing time to get the quality training.
 
I hear you. I would suggest it is not the best for players and not the best for team morale. It IS good for clubs trying to pay its bills. So it creates tension. My preference would be for teams to carry 16 field players and two goal keepers, but who asked me...... Older teams need more players because of injuries are more prevalent. However, a lot of players are willing to get less game playing time to get the quality training.
What are the thoughts on weekly trainings now. I've been hearing 2, 3, 4, video reviews. What are the expectations now for a ECNL team to compete for the top talent? My thoughts are 2 a week at 90 mins each just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
 
What are the thoughts on weekly trainings now. I've been hearing 2, 3, 4, video reviews. What are the expectations now for a ECNL team to compete for the top talent? My thoughts are 2 a week at 90 mins each just doesn't cut the mustard anymore.
For the serious youth soccer players today that aspire to be a professional player or top collegiate player, kids Are training in one way or another everyday, with the caveat that rest and recovery is part of training. Probably too many parents think their kids will be on that track and they eventually will be told by their kids that they don’t aspire to that level and want to have fun doing something else. Surf and similar programs provide that on a partial basis, but there are so many other aspects that can enhance the organized programs depending on the individual needs of the player that is the players responsibility to integrate into their development. Only you can make those judgments because only you know your child and love them. However, most parents have parent goggles on when evaluating their child’s potential.
 
For the serious youth soccer players today that aspire to be a professional player or top collegiate player, kids Are training in one way or another everyday, with the caveat that rest and recovery is part of training. Probably too many parents think their kids will be on that track and they eventually will be told by their kids that they don’t aspire to that level and want to have fun doing something else. Surf and similar programs provide that on a partial basis, but there are so many other aspects that can enhance the organized programs depending on the individual needs of the player that is the players responsibility to integrate into their development. Only you can make those judgments because only you know your child and love them. However, most parents have parent goggles on when evaluating their child’s potential.
I think this is where the problem with Club Soccer in the US surfaces. Once kids enter the serious stages of soccer, there is less direction and training at the ECNL level and parents are expected to figure out what trainings their kids need. In America, where we are less knowledgeable about soccer, this is a serious problem. At the ECNL level, the team training is only 4.5 hours per week and there is no direction for individual training or recommendations for them, except goalies.

While speed and strength training are easy to obtain, the finishing, technical skills, speed dribbling and soccer IQ trainings are not advised or sufficiently worked on because the focus is on team play during practices. During Pre ECNL years, futsal or coerver was the training but once ECNL starts, there's no direction on how to continue their growth outside of 4.5 hours of team training.

There should be continued clinics and club focus on individual shooting/finishing, individual soccer IQ classes, individual skills and individual speed dribbling trainings or at the minimum, club recommendations.

Team trainings for 4.5 hours every week does not create "Elite" athletes. This may be why our girls are having difficulties competing on the international stage as female athletics gains global popularity, especially in European nations where they continue to develop girls individually through their teen years.

Our serious dance, gymnastics, tennis, and crew athletes train 12-25 hours per week.
 
I think this is where the problem with Club Soccer in the US surfaces. Once kids enter the serious stages of soccer, there is less direction and training at the ECNL level and parents are expected to figure out what trainings their kids need. In America, where we are less knowledgeable about soccer, this is a serious problem. At the ECNL level, the team training is only 4.5 hours per week and there is no direction for individual training or recommendations for them, except goalies.

While speed and strength training are easy to obtain, the finishing, technical skills, speed dribbling and soccer IQ trainings are not advised or sufficiently worked on because the focus is on team play during practices. During Pre ECNL years, futsal or coerver was the training but once ECNL starts, there's no direction on how to continue their growth outside of 4.5 hours of team training.

There should be continued clinics and club focus on individual shooting/finishing, individual soccer IQ classes, individual skills and individual speed dribbling trainings or at the minimum, club recommendations.

Team trainings for 4.5 hours every week does not create "Elite" athletes. This may be why our girls are having difficulties competing on the international stage as female athletics gains global popularity, especially in European nations where they continue to develop girls individually through their teen years.

Our serious dance, gymnastics, tennis, and crew athletes train 12-25 hours per week.
It's also why the US needs a girls academy system. If you were to gear up training to 20 hours per week, everyone who is not on the pro/D1 recruited track would drop out, which is not enough athletes to support the girl's ECNL (or boys MLS Next) side. There's just simply no way to manage school work (let alone an honors or arts curriculum), maintain grades and do the other things which are required (fake charities), while at the same time also socializing to keep your social score up. The truly elite athletes that will compete on an international stage need to be separated from everyone else. There's also the expense issue, since someone has to pay for the field spaces (it's one of the reasons why most of the academies don't have U16 teams). In Los Angeles, we also have a traffic problem (which is why most of the older academy players need to rearrange their schooling).

One simple thing which athletes could do is simply watch more soccer, but even my kid, who adores watching the sport, has a hard time sitting down to watch more than 1 marquee game per week, aside from highlights. The girl's also need to be watching the top men's teams...while it is important they watch the women's side to see the game differences, their exposure will be limited if they watch only that for the simple reason that the men's game is more complex and creative.
 
In Europe its done by the Academies. In USA on the girls side it does not exist. Must be figured out by parents and done outside of club training. There isn't enough money to do this at a club level. I think the USA does not have a problem in developing good college atheletes but a problem developing elite pro athletes.
I think the Clubs should add these types of quality trainings for athletes interested, an extra 8-12 hours a week and charge an extra 2K. It's cheaper than what most are doing and the quality would be better.
 
It's also why the US needs a girls academy system. If you were to gear up training to 20 hours per week, everyone who is not on the pro/D1 recruited track would drop out, which is not enough athletes to support the girl's ECNL (or boys MLS Next) side. There's just simply no way to manage school work (let alone an honors or arts curriculum), maintain grades and do the other things which are required (fake charities), while at the same time also socializing to keep your social score up. The truly elite athletes that will compete on an international stage need to be separated from everyone else. There's also the expense issue, since someone has to pay for the field spaces (it's one of the reasons why most of the academies don't have U16 teams). In Los Angeles, we also have a traffic problem (which is why most of the older academy players need to rearrange their schooling).

One simple thing which athletes could do is simply watch more soccer, but even my kid, who adores watching the sport, has a hard time sitting down to watch more than 1 marquee game per week, aside from highlights. The girl's also need to be watching the top men's teams...while it is important they watch the women's side to see the game differences, their exposure will be limited if they watch only that for the simple reason that the men's game is more complex and creative.
Most ECNL girls do want to train at 15-20 hours per week because once they start ECNL, they're pretty serious about soccer. The problem is, there is no known quality training program that does this. People just pick up trainings where they can and they're not sure if it's even helping.

Serious Swimmers, tennis players, dancers, gymnasts, crew teams - train at least 15-20 hours per week and they are able to manage their load.

The traffic problem is why I recommend the clubs put these programs together because it can be done at a local level. People are driving their kids all over southern California for quality soccer training because they don't know the local ones. Koge has the Baker brothers but that needs to be expanded, because it's too little. Surf doesn't have a program.

This might be something GA can have a leg up on ECNL clubs. If GA can create a serious development plan and allow high school soccer, they might be able to pull top soccer players over.
 
I hear you. I would suggest it is not the best for players and not the best for team morale. It IS good for clubs trying to pay its bills. So it creates tension. My preference would be for teams to carry 16 field players and two goal keepers, but who asked me...... Older teams need more players because of injuries are more prevalent. However, a lot of players are willing to get less game playing time to get the quality training.
Totally agree. I can’t imagine the tension between some of the parents whose DD only plays 10-15 minutes. Our current roster sits with 16 players and that alone brings drama.
Would be a good idea to sell the ECRL program to some of those benched players in order to create a stronger Surf RL team for the 11s. The RL program should allow players to receive the same type of quality training as the NL. Not only is this good for the players but also the club who can now potentially bring two national championship back to SD. My theory is parents are just too invested and want the “NL” title even if this means sacrificing playing time. That sucks for the DD’s
 
This Blues 11's team is solid all around in all positions especially defensively. The 10's team was not solid all around. 10's team had a few all star players that carried the team but lacked depth and did not have the strongest defense either. If this 11's team stays together, they have a shot at winning the national championship.
The 10s are a perfect example of how the 11s will turn out. I might be wrong and only taking a wild guess but something tells me next years Blues 2011 team will be different. Slammers Koge will soak some of those top players from Blues. A handful of the current Koge girls will be dropped to Slammers NL and some will voluntarily leave to other clubs. Word is some players are already in communication with different coaches for next season. Hold on tight because some unexpected changes might come soon! We saw it with Surf NL and Beach.
 
In Europe its done by the Academies. In USA on the girls side it does not exist. Must be figured out by parents and done outside of club training. There isn't enough money to do this at a club level. I think the USA does not have a problem in developing good college atheletes but a problem developing elite pro athletes.


Exactly. A lot of emphasis is put on the youth game when the US does poorly, and yes, things can always be done better. In reality its the growth of players from the ages of 18-21 that is paramount to long term success at the Pro levels. Our players here are competing in college which at its heart is an academic institution, not a sport institution(at least on the Womens soccer side), with coaches needing to win just to keep a job, and we have a Womens Pro league in NWSL which has been left to rot over the years, and barely has any true academies. It is only now starting to try and regain some power, but money will ultimately decide that. None of our teams though can fight the heritage of clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Lyon etc even if that heritage was not built on the girls side. Thats before we begin to talk about how Soccer is a religion in the likes of Europe and South America not a past time or a route into an education to land you a better job to earn more dollars. Ultimately the talent is here, we do however need a better way of harnessing that talent.
 
The 10s are a perfect example of how the 11s will turn out. I might be wrong and only taking a wild guess but something tells me next years Blues 2011 team will be different. Slammers Koge will soak some of those top players from Blues. A handful of the current Koge girls will be dropped to Slammers NL and some will voluntarily leave to other clubs. Word is some players are already in communication with different coaches for next season. Hold on tight because some unexpected changes might come soon! We saw it with Surf NL and Beach.

This is possible and then more recruiting and disruptions could take place for 12 year old girls. This whole circus makes me laugh at times. We're playing with the emotions of 12 year old girls. Maybe some girls are wired differently and/or maybe some parents are able to manipulate their kids better than I? As the pressure and expectations build for ecnl, parents would be best suited to find the best culture and chemistry for their daughters to play. I would even throw in parent chemistry is super important. I don't want toxic parents on my team, but of course, I have to understand that you don't make ecnl without having a drive, so if you're lucky enough to find that balance, stay where you're at.

It makes me laugh, because I see people moving their girls from one club to another dirsupting cultures and chemistry and for what? Some are just displaced, because some coaches are more likely to recruit and disrtupt than build. I mean some parents have gone from one club to the other and then back to the original. It is what it is I guess, but if your daughter is as talented and athletic as you think she is, she should be able to help build a solid team on just about any ecnl team. The important years will be in high school and if they are already mentally and physically fatigued from youth soccer, they may lose interest in high school were they have to decide between having a life and/or running 20 miles a week.

The bottom line is the rewards are not great for these girls yet. It is getting better and marketing is getting better, but every girl is going to eventually have to consider those rewards of Starbucks Wages for pro women's players and/or half a scholarship that they might be able to get for academics as well. Not to mention, community college is free now and they would probably pay the same for 2 years at a great university as 4 with half a scholarship. My problem is I"m good at math and I am working on putting it on my daughter not me. I love watching her and would love to travel to all of her college games if she is lucky enough to still have the desire and blessed with the skills, but the team she is on next year will not dictate either of those things she needs. I would prefer she doesn't play pro and instead, maybe be the team doctor or marketing rep., etc. if I'm being honest.

Back to the 2011s though, there will be a lot of movement as coaches look for size and athleticism that they can groom over small field skills imo as well. Everyone wants to win and make playoffs, but it's not worth playing games and moving around with the risk that your daughter may not like the game as much imo. This is ecnl, but I don't want to be on the fast track to burning out. I almost wonder if chasing the wins ends up fast forwarding the burn out as it gets harder and harder to keep winning!? I think the best way to manage all this as a parent is to let the toxic parents and kids burn themselves out and just try to enjoy the journey.
 
Exactly. A lot of emphasis is put on the youth game when the US does poorly, and yes, things can always be done better. In reality its the growth of players from the ages of 18-21 that is paramount to long term success at the Pro levels. Our players here are competing in college which at its heart is an academic institution, not a sport institution(at least on the Womens soccer side), with coaches needing to win just to keep a job, and we have a Womens Pro league in NWSL which has been left to rot over the years, and barely has any true academies. It is only now starting to try and regain some power, but money will ultimately decide that. None of our teams though can fight the heritage of clubs like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Chelsea, Lyon etc even if that heritage was not built on the girls side. Thats before we begin to talk about how Soccer is a religion in the likes of Europe and South America not a past time or a route into an education to land you a better job to earn more dollars. Ultimately the talent is here, we do however need a better way of harnessing that talent.

I think we need less structure to leagues and teams or more options to play games in various different leagues. If I were king, we'd have loads of options for small sided 6 v 6 games, 11 v 11, and whatever else with different/changing players and teams all the time. Friendlies, non-organized, scrimmages, etc. They need to be playing fun, competitive games all the time without being concerned about winning or how their team does. We all love winning, but more important that winning, is effort, creativity, making mistakes, and DISCOMFORT!!! The biggest threat to my daughter's soccer future is her comfort. They should be playing multiple positions and building all the skill sets and soccer iq for all the positions, so they know the role of everyone when they are playing and can think about working out of a scenario. You get this from instinctive creativity and team chemistry, but if you can build this as a culture for a big area or group of girls, you have something special.

We need a system that works and that can utilize all of the skill sets for our style of play in US Womens and while we have great female athletes, our style, touch, control, etc. looked pretty poor last womens world cup. We have the range of talent. We don't have a unified, creative system that takes advantage of all of our skills imo. We need more games, less driving, and less costs with better style and iq. They need fun creative games as well as structured, organized performance based games with lots of freedom.

You know your soccer league system sucks when you drive more than your daughter plays! It is what it is though, so we all play the game!
 
Surf Cup is around the corner and I finally retrieved info regarding the “Crowlar” FC team. A friend of mind informed me how they got the name “Crowlar FC” and now I can confirm this is indeed a group of Slammers players. Very interesting IMO. My thinking cap is on while trying to figure out why the Slammers are not joining the tournament with their respective club name. I see nothing wrong here, Surf does the same under the Surf Select umbrella from my understanding. Maybe @Surfer_dad can confirm? Is Surf Select an unofficial team who selects players from other Surf chapters?

For those wondering my resources have informed me this Crowlar team is a mixture of Koge, NL and RL players. Although it’s a bit tricky to coach a new set of players I am sure this team will do just fine with the competition. My money is still on the Blues since the last Koge vs Blues game ended on a 0-0. Blues remain unbeaten while Surf NL added an additional player who can put Surf back on the map? Maybe?
But don’t count Pats out! Pats coach is quick to adapt and has a set of gifted scrappy little players who will leave all out on the field!
I can’t wait to see the results
 
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