2020...

messy said:
One thing we know for sure...when this thing is over and thanks to the right and its followers, the rich will definitely get a lot richer. Just like '09.
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You do realize that the rich get richer for many reasons, right? Like growing money through investments and good decisions? Taking risks and growing their businesses?

And just so I'm clear, who do you think employs everyone else? Is it the wealthy or the poor and middle class?
 
"You never gave a shit about voting until you realized you can't win any other way." Oh, so Hillary won then? Whew!! So this has all been a nightmare.

If we "can't win any other way", then how come you keep braying about how 2020 will be a blow out for Trump?
 
The Outlaw said:
You do realize that the rich get richer for many reasons, right? Like growing money through investments and good decisions? Taking risks and growing their businesses?

And just so I'm clear, who do you think employs everyone else? Is it the wealthy or the poor and middle class?
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Thanks for making my point! The government serves the rich, especially at times like this. The banks (like mine) give the money to people they like.
 
The Outlaw said:
You do realize that the rich get richer for many reasons, right? Like growing money through investments and good decisions? Taking risks and growing their businesses?

And just so I'm clear, who do you think employs everyone else? Is it the wealthy or the poor and middle class?
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If the wealthy are employing so many people why are so many of them asking to be bailed out? My wife owns a business and she hasn't asked for a dime. The owners of the business that I work for shifted everyone to working from home prior to it being required and we haven't seen even a hiccup in our business. Most "conservatives" are hypocrites because they are all for capitalism and privatization of their profits when things are going well but they love corporate welfare and socializing their losses.

Businesses of all size got a huge tax cut in 2017 and if they weren't smart enough to save some money for a rainy day (as all of us have to do) then honestly fuck them and the horse that they road in on. Any bailout funds should go to the people that were hurt by this corporate greed not to the dickhead Gordon Geckos of the world who showed that they like our president are poor business people. Who the hell can't go a month of two without a paycheck? My dad was a marine and the first thing he taught me is that if I ddin't have 3 months of money in the bank to pay my bills I shouldn't be buying shit, going anywhere or doing anything because rainy days tend to show up every few years.
 
Imtired said:
"You never gave a shit about voting until you realized you can't win any other way." Oh, so Hillary won then? Whew!! So this has all been a nightmare.

If we "can't win any other way", then how come you keep braying about how 2020 will be a blow out for Trump?
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I'm reminding you Trump's biggest friend is the liberal party. If you can't see it, that much better for the rest of us.
 
MakeAPlay said:
If the wealthy are employing so many people why are so many of them asking to be bailed out? My wife owns a business and she hasn't asked for a dime. The owners of the business that I work for shifted everyone to working from home prior to it being required and we haven't seen even a hiccup in our business. Most "conservatives" are hypocrites because they are all for capitalism and privatization of their profits when things are going well but they love corporate welfare and socializing their losses.

Businesses of all size got a huge tax cut in 2017 and if they weren't smart enough to save some money for a rainy day (as all of us have to do) then honestly fuck them and the horse that they road in on. Any bailout funds should go to the people that were hurt by this corporate greed not to the dickhead Gordon Geckos of the world who showed that they like our president are poor business people. Who the hell can't go a month of two without a paycheck? My dad was a marine and the first thing he taught me is that if I ddin't have 3 months of money in the bank to pay my bills I shouldn't be buying shit, going anywhere or doing anything because rainy days tend to show up every few years.
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Why do you assume everyone is asking for help and/or bailouts? I received money last week and never asked for it. I earn 6 figures and never thought I was eligible for it. Nor do I want or need it, MAP, but it showed up anyway. So you're assuming 'corporate welfare' is needed or desired.

What corporate greed are you talking about? You tell me who can't go a month without a check. I'm not one of them but they're all over, aren't they?
 
messy said:
Thanks for making my point! The government serves the rich, especially at times like this. The banks (like mine) give the money to people they like.
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Gives the money to people they like? What does that even mean? The banks give money to people that will pay it back. I guess you hate banks now, too, because they're in business to make money like everyone else. And I never made your "point". Your point is at the top of your fucking head.
 
The Outlaw said:
Apparently it doesn't disenfranchise the poor if illegal aliens can get them. Voting is a right... and illegal aliens have no right voting in our country anymore than I can vote in Canada or Mexico. You never gave a shit about voting until you realized you can't win any other way. Same reason you suddenly think it's unfair to show ID. Anybody can get an ID.
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It's not a shame to be uneducated. Refusing to learn is another thing.
 
The Outlaw said:
Gives the money to people they like? What does that even mean? The banks give money to people that will pay it back. I guess you hate banks now, too, because they're in business to make money like everyone else. And I never made your "point". Your point is at the top of your fucking head.
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Correct, they give it to people with whom they have relationships. Who are not in distress and who pay back. Government money which is intended for those who need it. See how that works? Worked for me in'09 and again just last week. Thanks for your support.
 
MakeAPlay said:
If the wealthy are employing so many people why are so many of them asking to be bailed out? My wife owns a business and she hasn't asked for a dime. The owners of the business that I work for shifted everyone to working from home prior to it being required and we haven't seen even a hiccup in our business. Most "conservatives" are hypocrites because they are all for capitalism and privatization of their profits when things are going well but they love corporate welfare and socializing their losses.

Businesses of all size got a huge tax cut in 2017 and if they weren't smart enough to save some money for a rainy day (as all of us have to do) then honestly fuck them and the horse that they road in on. Any bailout funds should go to the people that were hurt by this corporate greed not to the dickhead Gordon Geckos of the world who showed that they like our president are poor business people. Who the hell can't go a month of two without a paycheck? My dad was a marine and the first thing he taught me is that if I ddin't have 3 months of money in the bank to pay my bills I shouldn't be buying shit, going anywhere or doing anything because rainy days tend to show up every few years.
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www.bloomberg.com

Top 3% of U.S. Taxpayers Paid Majority of Income Tax in 2016

Individual income taxes are the federal government’s single biggest revenue source. In fiscal year 2018, which ended Sept. 30, the individual income tax is expected to bring in roughly $1.7 trillion, or about half of all federal revenues, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com
 
messy said:
Correct, they give it to people with whom they have relationships. Who are not in distress and who pay back. Government money which is intended for those who need it. See how that works? Worked for me in'09 and again just last week. Thanks for your support.
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Relationships with? They give money to people who can pay it back with interest. Why would you give it to people who are unable to do that? This isn't charity. Government money, which is actually OUR tax dollars since the government doesn't have money of its own, is supposed to be for everyone that pays taxes. Did you see all the pork that was put into the last "stimulus"? Did you see that Pelosi made sure the Kennedy Center got money for their remodel? I'm not saying the republicans didn't do the same thing, but what you seemingly ignore is that this is a politician problem. I just read an article that Harvard received over $8M. Why? Do you know what their endowment is? And your libtard party wants to erase all the student debt because some people made stupid decisions. What about next year's student debt? What about the year after that? Harvard is being handed money they don't need and you're doing NOTHING to make them stop charging students $70k per year. WTF? And don't thank me... I got money, too. Didn't want or ask for it, but it came.
 
The Outlaw said:
You do realize that the rich get richer for many reasons, right? Like growing money through investments and good decisions? Taking risks and growing their businesses?

And just so I'm clear, who do you think employs everyone else? Is it the wealthy or the poor and middle class?
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It's actually the consumer who drives the economy, not the wealthy. It's simple math.

If you are the wealthy owner of a Walmart, for example, and you get a huge tax break but your consumers don't so they don't have enough money to shop at your store. Your logic says that the wealthy owner of the Walmart will hire more employees due to the mere fact he/she got a tax break. But no one is shopping at your store, so why would you hire more employees to man an empty store? The answer is that you wouldn't.

How many tubes of toothpaste does the top 1% percent purchase versus the other 99%? How many automobiles? How many meals out at a restaurant? How many home improvement supplies? How many computers? How many items of clothing?

The more money the masses have the better off the whole economy does. Henry Ford knew this and so paid his workers an unheard of wage of $5 a day, double the average factory worker pay at the time. He knew higher wages meant those same workers could afford to purchase a car for themselves. His business exploded after that, making profit hand over fist, far more than he would have made had he kept wages down.

Simple math.
 
The Outlaw said:
Relationships with? They give money to people who can pay it back with interest. Why would you give it to people who are unable to do that? This isn't charity. Government money, which is actually OUR tax dollars since the government doesn't have money of its own, is supposed to be for everyone that pays taxes. Did you see all the pork that was put into the last "stimulus"? Did you see that Pelosi made sure the Kennedy Center got money for their remodel? I'm not saying the republicans didn't do the same thing, but what you seemingly ignore is that this is a politician problem. I just read an article that Harvard received over $8M. Why? Do you know what their endowment is? And your libtard party wants to erase all the student debt because some people made stupid decisions. What about next year's student debt? What about the year after that? Harvard is being handed money they don't need and you're doing NOTHING to make them stop charging students $70k per year. WTF? And don't thank me... I got money, too. Didn't want or ask for it, but it came.
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So why aren't you angry at Trump for all those bank loans he never paid back??
 
I think it's clear that The President has shown stable and effective leadership during this crisis, ensuring that his re-election won't be an issue.
By that I mean his refusal to acknowledge its severity early on and his careening to urging a re-opening too early. Will work great for him in November.
 
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