I notice that. I saw interviews and it looks like a go at this point.
2020 Women's D1 Soccer Talk!!!! EXTENDED TO SPRING '21!!!!
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MakeAPlay
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The leagues that put themselves ahead of the kids and the science. No surprise though. With 3 of the 4 teams from last year's college cup and two fo the top 4 teams in the country including the defending national champion not playing this abbreviated season will be a joke. And I believe that the NCAA has already said that there won't be a college cup. So what exactly are they putting their players at risk for?
Desert Hound
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There is about zero risk for the players. Nationwide 275 people under 24 have died due to covid.
So they have really no risk.
Yes not playing for a national championship SUCKS. At the least they can play to win their conferences, play vs their normal rivals, AND play for the love of the game.
That is what they would be playing for.
outside!
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Covid-19 can be a prolonged illness, even for young adults, CDC report says | CNN
Covid-19 can be a prolonged illness, even among young adults without underlying chronic medical conditions, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday. Thirty-five percent of those surveyed by the agency said they still weren't back to their usual good health even two to...
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The heart damage and lung damage last forever.
Covid-19 can be a prolonged illness, even for young adults, CDC report says | CNN
Covid-19 can be a prolonged illness, even among young adults without underlying chronic medical conditions, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday. Thirty-five percent of those surveyed by the agency said they still weren't back to their usual good health even two to...
The heart damage and lung damage last forever.
Genuinely interested and not trolling or trying to argue.
From the article... "Public health leaders need to remind people who may not take Covid-19 seriously that even younger, healthier adults who get a milder form of the disease can have symptoms for weeks."
Your summary of it is that "heart and lung damage will last forever." I can't find any sort of conclusion like that anywhere in the article. Am I missing something?
Desert Hound
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Interesting what they call PROLONGED damage.Covid-19 can be a prolonged illness, even for young adults, CDC report says | CNN
Covid-19 can be a prolonged illness, even among young adults without underlying chronic medical conditions, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Friday. Thirty-five percent of those surveyed by the agency said they still weren't back to their usual good health even two to...
The heart damage and lung damage last forever.
From the CDC and the article.
"Thirty-five percent of those surveyed by the agency said they still weren't back to their usual good health even two to three weeks after testing positive for the disease.
The CDC had survey results from 292 people who had a positive test for Covid-19 and were treated as an outpatient from April 15 until June 25. The interviews were done 14 to 21 days after people were originally tested."
So 2-3 weeks after being diagnosed some people still felt off.
CNN reports that as LONG TERM?
Someone should sit down with the author and editors and explain the differences between short term, medium term, and long term.
I once had a long term relationship with a girl in college. After 3 weeks we finally called it off
It was devastating when you put so much time and effort into those long term relationships. Took me another 2 weeks to get over it.
She's a redshirt junior so she's still planning on playing for Pepp this spring and another fall season (knock on wood). Who knows if they actually move soccer to spring.
This impacts the 5th year senior who was going to play a lot this year. I feel for them. I would be going cray cray if my last season was cancelled. The game is being used. The good thing I see is my dd is playing right now because she wants to. I see more and more girls quitting the game.
How on earth does anyone know anything long term on this sucker?Interesting what they call PROLONGED damage.
From the CDC and the article.
"Thirty-five percent of those surveyed by the agency said they still weren't back to their usual good health even two to three weeks after testing positive for the disease.
The CDC had survey results from 292 people who had a positive test for Covid-19 and were treated as an outpatient from April 15 until June 25. The interviews were done 14 to 21 days after people were originally tested."
So 2-3 weeks after being diagnosed some people still felt off.
CNN reports that as LONG TERM?
Someone should sit down with the author and editors and explain the differences between short term, medium term, and long term.
I once had a long term relationship with a girl in college. After 3 weeks we finally called it off
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Most Recovered COVID-19 Patients Left With Heart Damage, ...
Almost 80 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients suffered damage to their heart.
www.newsweek.com
"A new study published Monday in the JAMA Cardiology Journal found that 78 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients had permanent heart damage."
Permanent seems like long term to me and not something anyone, much less athletes would want.
eastbaysoccer
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As much as I would love to have soccer in the spring there won’t be because no college student will be vaccinated by Jan/Feb time frame. It’s more realistic that most of the US population will have access to the vaccine late spring/early summer.
As for long term effects of COVID, no one really knows because time has not elapsed yet. Researchers won’t know the true long term effects for 10-20 years. Empirical data needs to be gathered.
IMO colleges that resumed in person classes did so for the tuition dollars. Very sad they put money first before student safety ( example UNC). This all sucks.
As for long term effects of COVID, no one really knows because time has not elapsed yet. Researchers won’t know the true long term effects for 10-20 years. Empirical data needs to be gathered.
IMO colleges that resumed in person classes did so for the tuition dollars. Very sad they put money first before student safety ( example UNC). This all sucks.
eastbaysoccer
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the headline is scary but would like to see if those 78% had existing heart issues, what their ages were? economic profile, etc.Most Recovered COVID-19 Patients Left With Heart Damage, ...
Almost 80 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients suffered damage to their heart.
"A new study published Monday in the JAMA Cardiology Journal found that 78 percent of recovered COVID-19 patients had permanent heart damage."
Permanent seems like long term to me and not something anyone, much less athletes would want.
dk_b
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Just jumping into the JAMA article (not the Newsweek reporting on it), you see this in the "findings": ". . . which was independent of preexisting conditions, severity and overall course of the acute illness, and the time from the original diagnosis." The study's findings were with respect to structural issues and, as a person with structural heart issues, my guess is that the cardiologists can make some conclusions on what is or may be permanent. That said, this is a small study - 100 patients - and under "Meaning" is written, "These findings indicate the need for ongoing investigation of the long-term cardiovascular consequences of COVID-19" and, in those two pre-sections ("Findings" and "Meaning"), no where is it noted that these problems are, indeed, permanent. I'm going to read more but it may be a simple case of Newsweek using a sensational lede.
All that said, I am fine w/the fall season being postponed - hopefully not cancelled - as there is just too much uncertainty (which, at a minimum, this study is highlighting).
dk_b
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I'm reading the JAMA piece on my phone and it's just too dense for that and despite me being of the "proceed cautiously" camp, I think that Newsweek has done a terrible job in presenting these findings in its brief summary. If you don't look at the article, you don't know that of the 100 people, the age range was 45 to 53 (relevant to me - I'm 52 - and probably others on this board but very difficult as a stand-in for 20 year old college athletes). And, as I noted above, the "Findings" and "Meaning" are really calling for MORE study.
The impact on the heart gives me a chill and makes me hope that a young heart is far more resistant than a middle-age heart but we really do need to see more (for example, the exact same analysis of 100 people with an age range of 15 to 23 or 17 to 25) before extending the findings too far (despite what Newsweek seems to want to do for us).
So no soccer games for 12 months? I think their will always be uncertainty, just like I dont know if I will be alive tomorrow. I'm super sad for all of the college players. I know some families with soccer girls and their super bummed out and parents like you not happy. I just talked to dad yesterday and he is pissed. I like your calmness and will learn from it. It's only one year of life ((the best dam years for kids)) and hopefully after Nov 3rd we will have better understanding of the true danger this virus caused. Peace out Smokey
dk_b
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So no soccer games for 12 months? I think their will always be uncertainty, just like I dont know if I will be alive tomorrow. I'm super sad for all of the college players. I know some families with soccer girls and their super bummed out and parents like you not happy. I just talked to dad yesterday and he is pissed. I like your calmness and will learn from it. It's only one year of life ((the best dam years for kids)) and hopefully after Nov 3rd we will have better understanding of the true danger this virus caused. Peace out Smokey
There will always be uncertainty, true. And there is risk with all that we do, that is true as well. But as a public health matter, we are in the infancy w/this illness (fortunately, we have known about coronaviruses for some time so there is a body of knowledge that means the scientists are not starting from zero). If I were an AD or college president, would I be OK with putting students back in congregant living environments + contact sports v teams coming from other communities while relying on statistics that look back 8 months? And in that 8 months, we took young people largely out of circulation by closing schools and colleges? I'm not OK with that and my kid, like many on this board, had half her senior year of HS taken, had her first year college experience gutted, has been in isolation hoping to play w/her team while major real-life BS was happening in her community at home so I understand the impact even if people are not sick.
What happens in this early period, when a player on a Big XII or SEC football team who is living in a dorm comes down with the illness? How does it impact the team he just played against? How about all the dormmates? Teammates? Classmates? Parents? Grandparents? Professors? Food service employees? Etc. Sure, nothing may come of it. And, sure, it may be significant insignificant for all but the people directly touched (and their family members and close friends).
I understand that we all have our own personal risk tolerance and some may feel like enough time has passed and the risk appears low while others may think that barely any time has passed and the risk remains unknown. But b/c this is a public health catastrophe that is indiscriminate (like 2d hand smoke but where the impact is not cancer in 50 years but an illness in weeks), and b/c it is still so new and b/c our national leaders botched something that had they gotten right would have put us in a position that is more like Europe and we'd probably be closer to having sports, dinning in groups, living a more normal life.
I really do hope that more is known in the next 3 months and the NCAA and the conferences are OK with proceeding with a spring schedule. But, as you say, I could die tomorrow. Here's an aside and an example: when my dad was alive, he and I would dream of being able to see my daughter rep the US at a tournament or even a friendly that would take place at home. Sadly (or maybe the best), she was at a YNT camp when he died (and he was lucid until his very last couple of days so he was aware she was there). It was hard on her - she loved my dad very much - and she wanted to come home. But she stayed and had great support and I flew to the camp to watch her in a scrimmage. She played for the US in Jan in FL (about 15 months after he passed) - China was one of the teams and we were alerted to the protocols that the US, the state of FL and the Federation were taking so, as I noted upthread, the knowledge of this virus was there) - and as proud as I was to watch her in a US kit, I shed a lot of tears thinking of my dad and how he would have been there with me (and even though it was a night game, I am 100% certain that the ol' curmudgeon would have kept his dark glasses on). I made the decision to go b/c "you never know" - I have hardware in my body keeping me alive. What if it malfunctions? What if I get hit by a bus when walking my dog? What if the stove catches fire and I'm stuck? No regrets in a 36 hr cross-country trip. But, and here's the key, that is MY life, not my daughter's. I want more knowledge before I think, "yeah. All good. The #s are low. Chances are that the women's soccer player who gets sick and dies will not be my kid". But I'm not good with saying "all good" b/c that kid might be the daughter of someone on this board. Or niece. Or very best friend. Yes, risk exists but I'm not willing to be the first one to use a bungy cord to jump off a cliff and, really, that is what we'd be asking of our young athletes (hey, that cord was designed and tested by engineers . . . it will almost certainly hold. Wanna go first?).
dk_b
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TL/DR: DK is babbling again. He's risk averse. He's OK with waiting. Hopes there's a spring season.
Hope?
"We're sending you off to war with an unknown menace, son. I hope you survive unscathed."
You can babble all you want sir. You earned it and I'm sorry to hear about your pops missing out on that YNT call up and the hardware you have to have. I guess like someone said earlier, no sports until vaccine. Sports is not that important to risk life over and I agree some of the information we get is scary. No way on Nov 4th someone will say the virus was way over played by some. I'm now accepting the fact that their is no end in site. I would be an asshole to only care that my dd can play one last year of club. Your dd is missing out too and so are all the other players in the Big 10 and Pac 12. I feel sick now for being on this site for so long hopping my dd could go out with a bang. Some say it's my selfishness. It's my ego and I know it. Carl has been telling me to move on from all this and let it go. I'm super torn today with what to do. I might write my goodbye to all of you as Mirage did. I'm dead serious. This 50/50 political stuff ((pick a side or else)) is way over my head and I actually still want my head after all this is over. I tend to piss some folks off and they get angry. This is party lines kind of life were living in now and it really sickens me because so many innocent people are caught in the middle. I'm actually feeling depressed over all this. One thing I learned DK, be calm and I learned that from you. Thanks for sharing bro and please stay safe.
dk_b
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btw - when i referred to “upthread”, I may have been thinking of a different thread covering similar topics.