Bruddah IZ
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How so?
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I would like to welcome Mr. Dukes to the forum.
I have always been a huge fan of the Dukes. I knew about Bo and Luke, and its a huge honor to have their little brother rabble rous'n the forums in true reb fashion.
Did Bo and Luke ever let you drive the General Lee?
I have always been a huge fan of the Dukes. I knew about Bo and Luke, and its a huge honor to have their little brother rabble rous'n the forums in true reb fashion.
Did Bo and Luke ever let you drive the General Lee?
Andy Dukes
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Everything from a talking to termination but nothing criminal.
Andy Dukes
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I am older than them and they were named Duke not Dukes. Thanks for the welcome but I have over a decade here under my alias. Just time to leave pretense behind.
AD who once was known as 2/3.
Bruddah IZ
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Is that what the law says?
Older brother it is. My apologies, Mr. Dukes.
The General Lee. Did you ever get to drive it?
You almost had me until I remembered its the "Dukes of Hazzard", not the "Duke of Hazzard"
Welcome aboard big Bro!
Bruddah IZ
DA
If the Department of Justice charges Clinton for committing a felony, they would be charging her for violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(emphasis added)
In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(emphasis added)
In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.
Andy Dukes
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That is how it was explained to me by a retired federal HR EEOC administrator. I also think in the context of Mr. Comey's testimony it makes sense, sense he specifically stated non criminal.
Andy Dukes
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I think you are mistaking me for the Trump supporter David.
Bruddah IZ
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Yeah we get HR training every year and there is a lot that applies to Federal employees that don't apply to Hillary and Bill.
Comey says:
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now."
Comey laid out a case for criminal charges according to the law with Hillary violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(emphasis added)
In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.
Bruddah IZ
DA
I don't remember seeing him on the Dukes of Hazard.
Bruddah IZ
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Where did he state non-criminal? And why would he state "non-criminal"? That would be stupid for him to do so given the following:
violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(emphasis added)
In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.
Bruddah IZ
DA
The ambiguity of "Administrative sanction" is a better shield.
Funny in many dimensions
There are other very experience US prosecutors who said Comey is wrong in determining what a prosecutor might or might not do, that he should have presented the evidence to prosecutors & let them determine if they would prosecute. These same former prosecutors would have prosecuted Mrs. Clinton, that the fact that a private server was set up, along with the lies she told regarding deleting only private emails, claiming that no work related emails had been deleted & that her lawyers had review all emails that had been deleted, shows a pattern of deception, proving intent.
Since Comey presented his opinion another 14000 work related emails that HRC claimed had been turned over were found and released.
I'm looking forward to one criminal -Assange & wikileaks - releasing what he has on another criminal - Hillary.
What is Assange's crime?
No Andy, that's not so...and you are not being mistaken for Obama supporter Jeremiah Alvesta Wright, either.
But do you care to comment on the glowing words Hillary had to say about Grand Wizzard Robert Byrd, "her mentor", at his funeral?
Look it up...you'll learn and remember it much better than if someone does the work for you.
ps... why do you think he's living in the Ecuadorian Embassy?
Bruddah IZ
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If Comey is not applying the law now, it is unlikely that another 14,000 e-mails will change his mind. In fact, they may choose to find nothing in the 14,000 e-mails.
violating 18 U.S.C. 793(f), which states:
Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed . . . Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
(emphasis added)
In criminal law, unless strict liability applies, a statute can require four distinct mental states (“mens rea”) to commit a crime: (i) purpose, (ii) knowledge, (iii) recklessness, and (iv) criminal/gross negligence.
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Gee - I gave you another chance to participate in an adult conversation and you just go all Izzy.
Bruddah IZ
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What is Assange's crime?