Is Club soccer the biggest SCAM in youth sports?

SuperNatural said:
Well you sure made it sound like club soccer was producing anything other than recreational kickball players.
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No....you are so right....I have spent thousands of dollars on club soccer and all I have to show for it are rec level soccer players.

I bow down...you are the almighty soccer sensei.

I am going to pull all my kids from club soccer, save a ton of money, and watch them flourish in rec.
 
SoccerQ120 said:
No....you are so right....I have spent thousands of dollars on club soccer and all I have to show for it are rec level soccer players.

I bow down...you are the almighty soccer sensei.

I am going to pull all my kids from club soccer, save a ton of money, and watch them flourish in rec.
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lol@your defeatist attitude.
 
SuperNatural said:
Laughable that you don't call college soccer, kickball.
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College soccer isn't always great soccer it's true, 'tis true. And plenty of European nations can't believe we do soccer on the collegiate system (wasting 4 years of boys professional development). But it has produced great times on the girls end, though it's failed on the men's side. Good luck with getting rid of it though. You might as well say you wish for football and baseball to disappear in the US because it would be more likely.

None of the leading soccer nations though has a pure rec system...the US of the 80s/90s is the closest thing too it...maybe American Samoa (see the documentary). The fact that you are advocating for a purely rec system puts you nearly out of step with every major and moderate soccer power (and before you say "I'm not advocating that", well then fess up and say what you want).
 
Is club soccer recreational?

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SuperNatural said:
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Hahaha This is exactly how the U15 and U16 undefeated Blues teams play and the teams they play do not adjust to it or want any part of it; hence, they are undefeated. Move up the defense and we have offsides or play the jungle ball!!! I hate it - makes me want to puke that a club wants to win this bad. Looking forward to next season.
 
wildcat66 said:
I never said that my daughter hates playing on her team or that she doesn't want any of it.
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Well, great, because no one said your daughter "hates playing on her team." Where did you get this?
What I said was:
So your post essentially says, you hate all the things you describe, your kid doesn't want any of it because they don't want to play in college, but you keep them on this team/ club?[...]
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My comment was in response to your post that said:
My older daughter falls into the category that isn't serviced well within the community. [...] So I am forced to deal with the crazy, "we need to play only showcase tournaments" and travel to nor cal, Phoenix, Vegas, etc where the teams gets ranking points and seen by college coaches crowd. Not only do those tournaments cost more, they always tack on that "stay to play" crap at a 200 dollar a night hotel (kickback) and try to sell the video to show college coaches, charge 20+ dollars for a cheap tshirt etc. Of course you can't go there without three $80+ kits from a required vendor (kickback) and matching backpacks, hoodies, warmup jackets etc.....not to mention per diam for the coach. Of course then the club has 2 raffles a year where the girls are required to sell 10 tickets each at 10 bucks a ticket, Where does that money end up? The golf outing which the team is required to provide a gift basket for and supply a fousome to play....where does that money end up? All on top of the two grand basic fee and what tournament fees i got to come up with....All this because some knuckle head parents think little Sally is the next Mia Hamm. What i think is funny is how few parents who have these dreams of their kid playing college soccer have actually gone to a college soccer game and watched it. Yeah it is a scam.
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So again I ask, Why not move her down a step or two where she wouldn't suffer all these evils, would still have good (if not the highest) competition, and she could be a leader and help other players get better?
 
SuperNatural said:
Well this didn't make much sense other than paying more money to have someone show your kids how to play the game.


We have local hispanic leagues here that are more competitive than Silver Elite/Flight1 teams. ALL RECREATIONAL.
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Too bad Hispanic league don't exist in the O.C. or do they?
 
Nextbigthing said:
DOC 's making over 200k a year! They sell you on development not wins. Some clubs having 5-6 teams at an age group. DA 2, ECNL reserve and god knows what other team names will be next for marketing a third or fourth team. Blues, Surf, Legends, Slammers, Pats, Beach, Eagles, LA Galaxy, West Coast, Albion, SDSC. do any of these clubs actually care about the individual player or will it always be money first, then club, then coach, then player
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Absolutely ridiculous premise...to complain about a DOC's pay.
" You get what you pay for "
They provide the experience/environment, you provide the $$$$ and player.
I'll bet you don't complain when enjoying the services of McDonalds, Jack in The Box, Carl's Jr, Arby's, Church's, Chick-Fil-A, DelTaco and many other Franchises that provide a need for your hunger....Do you know what the Owners of each of those franchises make ( If they are successful ) ?
 
nononono said:
Absolutely ridiculous premise...to complain about a DOC's pay.
" You get what you pay for "
They provide the experience/environment, you provide the $$$$ and player.
I'll bet you don't complain when enjoying the services of McDonalds, Jack in The Box, Carl's Jr, Arby's, Church's, Chick-Fil-A, DelTaco and many other Franchises that provide a need for your hunger....Do you know what the Owners of each of those franchises make ( If they are successful ) ?
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Coocoo
 
nononono said:
Absolutely ridiculous premise...to complain about a DOC's pay.
" You get what you pay for "
They provide the experience/environment, you provide the $$$$ and player.
I'll bet you don't complain when enjoying the services of McDonalds, Jack in The Box, Carl's Jr, Arby's, Church's, Chick-Fil-A, DelTaco and many other Franchises that provide a need for your hunger....Do you know what the Owners of each of those franchises make ( If they are successful ) ?
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lol must be a DOC.

Don't flatter yourself.
 
We've done the Santa Ana league thing. Its 35.00 for the whole year , games are typically on Sunday , there was 25 teams in our bracket. Half the teams are good, the other teams are so-so.
Positives: My kid love to play ball so any time on the field is a plus, more games , better cardio. Played up a few years with friends he typically doesnt get to play with. Did it make him tougher, Im not sure but he definitely had the cardio and learned to use his body more. Play on full size fields 11v11 so alot of running.
Negatives: Sometimes teams dont show up, definitely some older kids on teams they shouldnt be on. No practice for some teams
Overall he (and us) had a great experience and will do it again. There's a few options out there- indoor league (not a fan of) --Just make sure you research it , just throwing you kid into a new league, and expecting him to toughen up, not gonna happen...
 
Youth soccer is a complete sham built for the long run scam.
I'm not saying 100% of everyone is following this business model, but the majority rules and proves to be pure BS. The business model is built so that the clubs and coaches can always put all the "failures" back on the children or parents from games, training, year end results, development, team selection, playing time and more. They literally have a system of almost zero accountability to protect the club reputation and its employees at all cost.
Their mission is to build the number$ at all cost, they sale a product based on a persons pure love and passion for their children, most all of the (salesman) coaches are 1/2 ass hacks in the game, life and the business world. They love to use special terms to build their own inflated self absorbed personas and then roll that over into the parents egos using their children as the sales tool.
I constantly see parents of above average intelligence buying into a coach with a below average intelligence line of BS, most of the time the parents are blinded because they are being sold using the their love for their child as the sales tool!
Another slap in the face is when children and families buy into the coaches and clubs "loyalty program" the coaches and clubs promote with only words and very few actions. How many times have you witnessed a family that goes and checks out the other products (clubs) that are all of a sudden faced with a coach that turns on that family using their child as a whooping post to set an example to others to never to shop outside the current team or club! They literally use children as a way to scare other children and families. It is crazy, I have seen scum bag, bully coaches verbally and mentally abuse young children to prove their point of being all mighty and in control!
This is way to common and overlooked buy DOC's because again it is about the money and almost never about little kids. I have witnessed all the above and experienced some first hand. Again, youth soccer is not all bad but it is the majority at the higher level of play and the larger clubs! just my .2
 
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