It looks like in this case there was a big enough loophole to push an entire new team through.
CalSouth National Cup Question (use of ECNL players)
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It looks like in this case there was a big enough loophole to push an entire new team through.
SocalSoccerMom
SILVER ELITE
Leave it to RB to benefit from this loophole.
The only thing certain about this process is RB still won't be happy
The Driver
PREMIER
Meanwhile second round is posted.
I know this is hard to believe, but I think Arsenal's actual actions are even scummier than reported above.
My understanding is that Arsenal's game roster had 20 girls on it. 2 of the girls were crossed out and not active. That leaves 18 active players. For those of you who don't know, you can have a tournament roster of 22 girls and 18 active for any given game.
Of course, the 2 girls crossed out were from the Flight 1 EGSL team. They were likely just listed to meet the roster continuity requirement, but were not actually playing in the tournament.
Of the remaining 18 girls, it appears that there were 6 from the EGSL team Flight 1 team, 11 from the ECNL team, and 1 that is in question. The roster continuity rule is 9. One question is does that apply for the tournament roster or the game roster. If it applied to the game roster, I think Arsenal is clearly in violation, as they only had 6 girls, 7 max from the EGSL team..
I believe the 11 ECNL girls include the starting star forward, 3 starting midfielders, 2 starting defenders, and another defender that played significant minutes. The goalie is from the 2004 pre-ECNL team.
Basically, Arsenal has 6 girls on the active roster from the Flight 1 team. I think everyone else is ECNL. ECNL is three levels above the level of this tournament -- Flight 2, Flight 1 Europa, Flight 1 Champions, ECNL. That is like a team properly in this tournament playing in an AYSO regular season league (not even all stars -- 3 levels below is Flight 3, All Stars, Basic AYSO). Does abusing the rules so you can outscore your opponents 32-0 help anyone?
The question is why would Arsenal want to have its ECNL team play in President's Cup. It makes no sense. Was Randy afraid his ECNL girls could not stand up to Beach (any of the teams), Legends, Sharks, and a host of others in National Cup? Was he just getting ready to play Flight 2 next year since without an Academy team all of the girls that put up with him to play ECNL no longer have to? I don't think Arsenal could compete with Legends when they had the gigantic ECNL recruiting advantage. Now that Legends has the Academy advantage, I think Arsenal is in bad shape.
Speaking from experience, the girls from the teams he beat were completely demoralized after working so hard to get as far as they got. I just don't understand it. Does anyone have a reasonable explanation.
My understanding is that Arsenal's game roster had 20 girls on it. 2 of the girls were crossed out and not active. That leaves 18 active players. For those of you who don't know, you can have a tournament roster of 22 girls and 18 active for any given game.
Of course, the 2 girls crossed out were from the Flight 1 EGSL team. They were likely just listed to meet the roster continuity requirement, but were not actually playing in the tournament.
Of the remaining 18 girls, it appears that there were 6 from the EGSL team Flight 1 team, 11 from the ECNL team, and 1 that is in question. The roster continuity rule is 9. One question is does that apply for the tournament roster or the game roster. If it applied to the game roster, I think Arsenal is clearly in violation, as they only had 6 girls, 7 max from the EGSL team..
I believe the 11 ECNL girls include the starting star forward, 3 starting midfielders, 2 starting defenders, and another defender that played significant minutes. The goalie is from the 2004 pre-ECNL team.
Basically, Arsenal has 6 girls on the active roster from the Flight 1 team. I think everyone else is ECNL. ECNL is three levels above the level of this tournament -- Flight 2, Flight 1 Europa, Flight 1 Champions, ECNL. That is like a team properly in this tournament playing in an AYSO regular season league (not even all stars -- 3 levels below is Flight 3, All Stars, Basic AYSO). Does abusing the rules so you can outscore your opponents 32-0 help anyone?
The question is why would Arsenal want to have its ECNL team play in President's Cup. It makes no sense. Was Randy afraid his ECNL girls could not stand up to Beach (any of the teams), Legends, Sharks, and a host of others in National Cup? Was he just getting ready to play Flight 2 next year since without an Academy team all of the girls that put up with him to play ECNL no longer have to? I don't think Arsenal could compete with Legends when they had the gigantic ECNL recruiting advantage. Now that Legends has the Academy advantage, I think Arsenal is in bad shape.
Speaking from experience, the girls from the teams he beat were completely demoralized after working so hard to get as far as they got. I just don't understand it. Does anyone have a reasonable explanation.
03soccerpops
BRONZE
I can't believe how much time people waste analyzing information about Arsenal. Fact: the last 2 games the starting line up 8 ECNL & 2 EGSL & 1 pre- ECNL 04. I suggest if it really want to know the answer on why RB had them played State Cup, email him. If you think this is violating State Cup rules, don't waste time on a blog. Contact Cal South and protest! Who cares if Arsenal wins State Cup.
This is not a blog.
03soccerpops
BRONZE
03soccerpops
BRONZE
Blog: a regularly updated website or web page, typically one run by an individual or small group, that is written in an informal or conversational style.
03soccerpops
BRONZE
03soccerpops
BRONZE
All the EGSL players at tournament. The ones crossed is probably 1 that injured and another that left 1 week before State Cup.
By that definition, this is not a blog.
03soccerpops
BRONZE
I guess this is not a small group and we all write formally.
Did they leave because they didn't want to sit on the bench while an ECNL player took their spot?
This is an open forum operated as a private business.
Kicknit22
GOLD
You do
Of course the Arsenal parents don't mind...they get to put "National Cup Champion" and potentially "Far West Regional Champion" on their dd's soccer resume. The college scouts/coaches have no idea if those "championships" come with an asterisk or not. Both my dd's teams have beaten RB's teams in finals/semi-finals of many tournaments, state cup and regional tournaments. I feel bad for them because they always get so far but rarely ever get the big prize no matter how their coach tries to "bend" the rules. Eventually they get desperate enough to justify any means just to get those titles on their dd's resumes. Quite sad really...
soccer dude
SILVER ELITE
What good is it doing for 10 ECNL players to play presidents cup? My ECNL daughter wouldn't be caught dead playing there. No disrespect to President folks but we joined ECNL to play there, not sandbag tournys. If I were the parents of those ECNL parents, I would think real hard the message you're sending to your kids. I understand 1 or 2 like most ECNL clubs do to fill in holes but 10 is definitely sending a message to everyone that we want to win at all costs. Yeah, they'll probably will win but did they really? At least play in national cup and go against the pre-academy teams or wait, maybe RB is afraid to lose to them and potentially lose players to a superior team... If I were on that team and got sub'd out by ECNL players like this, I would be out of there faster than sh%t through a goose. Sad.
FourFourTwo
BRONZE
There is a lot of talk about RB and the Arsenal team but what about the Eagles team? They are a gold team playing in presidents cup. Shouldn't they be playing national cup as well? I realized they finished second to last in CSL Gold but the team that finished in last behind them is playing national cup and in fact advanced to the round of 32. Eagles look to be guilty of sandbagging as well. And who knows, do they have ECNL players playing with them?