CalSouth National Cup Question (use of ECNL players)

Sunil Illuminati said:
If the team only has 8-9 players the kids should be refunded because they don't have a team. That coach burns through more kids than the entire so cal coaching population combined. At what point do people just say. "I'm not playing for that guy!"
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I have already said no to RB. I would go back to rec soccer before I would let my dd play for him. I realize that multiple families swear by RB, but I am not going to expose my dd to a coach who can take all of the fun out of playing soccer with just a few comments/actions. There are too many coaches in So Cal that foster positive playing environments.
 
ESPNANALYST said:
I only care because they are purposefully playing a low level tourney. Yes we as parents know that level means nothing- in all reality the entire circuit means nothing- but if you are going to classify players, and then change the game that's a new low.
I would expect it from trophy chasing clubs who like to use their twitters and facebooks to proclaim their dominance but I do like that now parents are becoming aware of the ruse.[/QUOTE
3 of the ECNL girls are considered the ECNL bench that never get any playtime at their ECNL league games , Also, the 7-0, 5-0 games half of the goals came from the original EGSL girls. EGSL had 3 very skilled & athletic players but the EGSL team also has 4 players that just came out of a rec team & had no business being allowed to be playing at tier 1 during the fall season. Not even the FC wanted those girls. That is were the unfairness comes in. ALL clubs are guilty of signing players to a B team just to make money. My daughter has played for a top Pats team, a Surf b team and now the Arsenal team and they all pretty much do the same thing. It's all about the money, the win and pleasing the parents with the largest voice. All girls that have been playing with a club for the last 3-5 years is fit to play against a so-call elite player! Why do some advanced club players play AYSO? RB played always had 5 EGSL girl on the field the entire game. We also had a 04 goalie from the 04 Pre-ECNL tier 2 team. Honestly, the teams on our bracket played really well and all 3 teams worked hard and challenged those so-call elite players. Sometime coaches and parents are the ONLY ones that put a classification on certain player because they have been given special opportunities because of "soccer politics" that some other just as skilled players have not. Let the kids play and have fun. Let's stop teaching kids how unfair things can be in life and teach them to go hard regardless of who they play against. ECNL girls are beatable, even from a s 2nd tier team. #1soccerdad
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Really, the justification is that RB always had at least 5 egsl girls and only 6 ECNL girls on the field at a given time. Wow. Delusional a little bit. Appealing to play down and then allegedly bringing in 8 ECNL girls to play a flight 2 tournament is as sleazy as it gets. Don't try to justify it. Funny thing is RB and the entire Arsenal club will lose even more respect if he wins than if he loses.
 
Justice said:
Really, the justification is that RB always had at least 5 egsl girls and only 6 ECNL girls on the field at a given time. Wow. Delusional a little bit. Appealing to play down and then allegedly bringing in 8 ECNL girls to play a flight 2 tournament is as sleazy as it gets. Don't try to justify it. Funny thing is RB and the entire Arsenal club will lose even more respect if he wins than if he loses.
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All irrelevant anyway- reign of terror over because they didn't get DA and ECNL is lower on the ranks.
 
Justice said:
Really, the justification is that RB always had at least 5 egsl girls and only 6 ECNL girls on the field at a given time. Wow. Delusional a little bit. Appealing to play down and then allegedly bringing in 8 ECNL girls to play a flight 2 tournament is as sleazy as it gets. Don't try to justify it. Funny thing is RB and the entire Arsenal club will lose even more respect if he wins than if he loses.
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Arsenal 03 Egsl has scored 15 goals in 3 games and 0 goals against. 7-0, 6-0, 2-0. Westside Breakers Blue is the next team they play tomorrow. (Rooting for Westside Breakers from the sideline) If Arsenal 03 Egsl wins it all, this is what is up next for them: Represent Cal South in the 2017 US Youth Soccer Region IV Presidents Cup Regional's in Salt Lake City, Utah, June 13-19, 2017. Winners of the Regional's will advance to the 2017 US Youth Soccer National Presidents Cup Championships in Auburndale, Florida, July 12-16, 2017. (NO conflicts with ecnl schedule. (League ends 5/21) Ecnl National playoffs are 6/22-6/27 in Rockford, IL) Good luck to all of the dd's that have to endure playing against Arsenal 03 egsl in the coming weeks and maybe coming months. Sometimes life is not fair, but that is why we all love to cheer on the "underdogs"!!!!!
 
Three of the ECNL girls are considered the ECNL bench that never get any playtime at their ECNL league games , Also, the 7-0, 5-0 games half of the goals came from the original EGSL girls. EGSL had 3 very skilled & athletic players but the EGSL team also has 4 players that just came out of a rec team & had no business being allowed to be playing at tier 1 during the fall season. Not even the FC wanted those girls. That is were the unfairness comes in. ALL clubs are guilty of signing players to a B team just to make money. My daughter has played for a top Pats team, a Surf b team and now the Arsenal team and they all pretty much do the same thing. It's all about the money, the win and pleasing the parents with the largest voice. All girls that have been playing with a club for the last 3-5 years is fit to play against a so-call elite player! Why do some advanced club players play AYSO? RB played always had 5 EGSL girl on the field the entire game. We also had a 04 goalie from the 04 Pre-ECNL tier 2 team. Honestly, the teams on our bracket played really well and all 3 teams worked hard and challenged those so-call elite players. Sometime coaches and parents are the ONLY ones that put a classification on certain player because they have been given special opportunities because of "soccer politics" that some other just as skilled players have not. Let the kids play and have fun. Let's stop teaching kids how unfair things can be in life and teach them to go hard regardless of who they play against. ECNL girls are beatable, even from a s 2nd tier team. #1soccerdad
 
Justice said:
Really, the justification is that RB always had at least 5 egsl girls and only 6 ECNL girls on the field at a given time. Wow. Delusional a little bit. Appealing to play down and then allegedly bringing in 8 ECNL girls to play a flight 2 tournament is as sleazy as it gets. Don't try to justify it. Funny thing is RB and the entire Arsenal club will lose even more respect if he wins than if he loses.
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Don't really see the big deal! We all put our kids in a club team, so they can play at a competitive level. President Cup is classified as an advanced level. It's just a game people. Did you know only 1% of girls make on the national team. No rule is being broken people.
 
03soccerpops said:
Don't really see the big deal! We all put our kids in a club team, so they can play at a competitive level. President Cup is classified as an advanced level. It's just a game people. Did you know only 1% of girls make on the national team. No rule is being broken people.
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Are you a parent of the AYSO girl? EGSL girl? or ECNL girl? I'm trying to follow your justification
 
Justice said:
Really, the justification is that RB always had at least 5 egsl girls and only 6 ECNL girls on the field at a given time. Wow. Delusional a little bit. Appealing to play down and then allegedly bringing in 8 ECNL girls to play a flight 2 tournament is as sleazy as it gets. Don't try to justify it. Funny thing is RB and the entire Arsenal club will lose even more respect if he wins than if he loses.
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EGSl and my daughter scored 3 of the goals. She played 90% of the game. Again, the goalie is an 04 pre ECNL tier 2 player. 2 of the ECNL never played more than 1 min in a ECNL league game and, not delusional. Team always had 4-5 EGSl players play 80% of the game. All large soccer clubs bring guest players up& down tiers. Without those ECNL guest players the EGSL team would of played short. It is what it is!
 
03soccerpops said:
Don't really see the big deal! We all put our kids in a club team, so they can play at a competitive level. President Cup is classified as an advanced level. It's just a game people. Did you know only 1% of girls make on the national team. No rule is being broken people.
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More like .001% make the national team. Great post!
 
SocalSoccerMom said:
Are you a parent of the AYSO girl? EGSL girl? or ECNL girl? I'm trying to follow your justification
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Unfortunately those are just labels. The girls determine their pecking order on the field. My players backup is a YNT player. It doesn't matter what someone else has designated a player if they can't prove it on the field.

Forget about labels. Play good soccer. Get great grades. Have fun. It is over before you know it.
 
03soccerpops said:
EGSl and my daughter scored 3 of the goals. She played 90% of the game. Again, the goalie is an 04 pre ECNL tier 2 player. 2 of the ECNL never played more than 1 min in a ECNL league game and, not delusional. Team always had 4-5 EGSl players play 80% of the game. All large soccer clubs bring guest players up& down tiers. Without those ECNL guest players the EGSL team would of played short. It is what it is!
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How many ecnl players did you have at scdsl play off? And how many ecnl players showed up today to beat down west side 5-0?
I'm sure your daughter had help to score those 3 goals
 
03soccerpops said:
EGSl and my daughter scored 3 of the goals. She played 90% of the game. Again, the goalie is an 04 pre ECNL tier 2 player. 2 of the ECNL never played more than 1 min in a ECNL league game and, not delusional. Team always had 4-5 EGSl players play 80% of the game. All large soccer clubs bring guest players up& down tiers. Without those ECNL guest players the EGSL team would of played short. It is what it is!
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With the ECNL players (that makes up almost 50% of the roster) the team should play National Cup. That's all we're saying. If you are going to pick on kids on the playground, pick someone your own size. It's all about the spirit of the game/competition. Teams that should not play up or down ruin the fairness/competitiveness.
 
My question, why does it bother you so much? Was your daughter on a team that we beat? If so, you should be glad that your daughter had the opportunity to play against girls at a higher skilled level. they can only grow from the experience. Maybe, your daughter was one of the girls that left EGSL team because they wanted to be an ECNL girl and couldn't perform up to RB expectations. It's just a soccer game and big club will ALWAYS do what they can to win titles! Cal south allows movement between tiers. ( Competitive: strong desire to be more successful than others) If it's too much for you, maybe conpetive soccer is not the way to go. If you are looking for fairness then AYSO may be a less stressful way to go.
 
03soccerpops said:
My question, why does it bother you so much? Was your daughter on a team that we beat? If so, you should be glad that your daughter had the opportunity to play against girls at a higher skilled level. they can only grow from the experience. Maybe, your daughter was one of the girls that left EGSL team because they wanted to be an ECNL girl and couldn't perform up to RB expectations.
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wow, that is some koolaid they offer at arsenal. is that what RB tell you when he brings in the ringers? he's giving your daughter's team a taste of what good soccer should be like from the sidelines?
 
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