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whatithink said:
On Florida, the current law falls short of the amendment at the last election which 57% of Floridians voted in favor of. It required 60% to be passed, but obviously the current law does not reflect the expressed desire of the majority of the electorate.

In 2020, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, Republican lawmakers explored ways to override presidential election results by appointing electors contrary to the popular vote. Is that not extreme?

Look at it this way, Bush was elected based on a compassionate conservative platform, none of which would sit with the GOP today. It went from that to Tea Party (Don't thread on me), which came out of Obama (remember the whole birth cert thing) and the ACA (signature issue) - which drove a definitely more combative and anti-government approach. That's all in the last 15 years or so.

The Freedom Caucus in the House is the "extreme" right-wing element, no? It was founded in 2015 with 9 members; it now has 45, so 5X as many in 10 years.

So I do find it very odd when anyone says one side has shifted but the other hasn't (really). They both have, and neither has done so "slightly".
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That's fair but abortion went to the states and, frankly, the current republican mentality stems from what Biden did (or more importantly didn't do) the last 4 years and Trump's first term was in response to 8 years of Obama. I don't think you'd be seeing people yanked off the streets if Biden hadn't done what he did with the border. They impeached Trump, went after him with bullshit charges like hush money for a porn star and made every attempt to keep him off the ballot. Sorry, that's personal. And I'd be willing to concede the whole Obama birth cert thing was just as bullshit as anything else.

Do you accept or disagree with my premise that Biden brought illegal aliens here for votes? And do you find it a bit ironic that Biden flew them around the country, in the middle of the night, but now dems have a problem with Abbott and DeSantis doing the same?
 

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Hüsker Dü said:
Tariffs, making moves without Congress, the erosion or elimination of soft power entities, politicizing every part of government (including the military), Republicans looking the other way on the trump families monetizing of the presidency, the now institutional practice of placing people in charge of departments they want to abolish, the demonizing of political rivals and of course the lying about everything.
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Good God... where the fuck were you between 2021 and 2024? You JUST described the Biden Crime Family, dipshit.
 
whatithink said:
What's the objective? The last time we did regime change in Iran we installed the Shah - he was so "loved" by his people that they overthrew him and installed the Ayatollah ... the fucking Ayatollah was seen as better than the Shah, FFS. We suck at regime change.
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One could even say, here in the U.S., our judgement on leadership is suspect.
 
Slobodan said:
That's fair but abortion went to the states and, frankly, the current republican mentality stems from what Biden did (or more importantly didn't do) the last 4 years and Trump's first term was in response to 8 years of Obama. I don't think you'd be seeing people yanked off the streets if Biden hadn't done what he did with the border. They impeached Trump, went after him with bullshit charges like hush money for a porn star and made every attempt to keep him off the ballot. Sorry, that's personal. And I'd be willing to concede the whole Obama birth cert thing was just as bullshit as anything else.

Do you accept or disagree with my premise that Biden brought illegal aliens here for votes? And do you find it a bit ironic that Biden flew them around the country, in the middle of the night, but now dems have a problem with Abbott and DeSantis doing the same?
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Biden absolutely fucked up the border. I don't buy the votes angle, I've seen nothing to substantiate that.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The claims of a “left leaning media” are a crock. By crying “left leaning” the right is just upset their preferred narrative isn’t being mainstreamed beyond Fox, newsmax and the many other purely rightwing media outlets.
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Because they suck, they're full of shit and more Americans learn that with each passing day.

Or did you think Beaker Joe Scarborough, Jake "the King of Thee En en" Tapper and KJP jumped ship because of all the winning?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Educated people with empathy. The 2A thing is a false narrative from the right, claiming it’s eminent doom is baseless.
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The false narrative is more gun laws save lives, you moron.

You don't have empathy. You're one of the sheep that think the moral high ground comes with "empathy".
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Quick poll, bomb Iran or stay out of it?
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Give Israel bunker busting bombs and let them take care of it. I'd be reluctant to get in any deeper than that. It may be unavoidable if Iran executes a serious attack against one of our bases in the Middle East.

I could be totally wrong, but Israel likely won't stop until Iran's nuclear capabilities are completely eliminated which could lead to a long drawn out conflict. It sounds like Israel doesn't have the deep penetrating weapons to wipe out the one nuclear facility, so they'd need our help with bunker busters.

America is for all intents and purposes already in it. I have to believe we have shared considerable intel with Israel, if not strategy.
 
whatithink said:
What's the objective? The last time we did regime change in Iran we installed the Shah - he was so "loved" by his people that they overthrew him and installed the Ayatollah ... the fucking Ayatollah was seen as better than the Shah, FFS. We suck at regime change.
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I heard someone say something to the effect that the "Ayatollah you know today is better than the one you might get tomorrow". Pushing for regime change is a really bad idea.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The 2A thing is a false narrative from the right, claiming it’s eminent doom is baseless.
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Democrats would love to get rid of firearms outright..although they'll tell you that's not true.
Instead they chip away at our rights here in CA. Ridiculous laws and ridiculous fees to law-abiding
citizens and gun store owners..in the hopes that both will go away. Another ammo tax coming next
month. But let's look at a few current ones.
Gun Roster. I can buy a Gen3 G19 but I can't own a Gen5. But LE can. A few cosmetic differences but
both shoot the same 9mm round. I also can't buy a tan colored pistol in some instances but in others I can.
Again..they both do the same exact thing. Tons of guns on the roster that LE can buy but the average person
can't. Long guns and hand guns.

Magazines. Limited to 10rd mags here in CA. Most other states (other than the highly restrictive NY and
Massachusetts plus a few others) allow "standard capacity" magazines. Show me a convicted felon that
follows the magazine restrictions and I'll show you a person who shouldn't be in possession of a firearm
in the first place. Some of this BS legislation was overturned by Judge Benitez only to be over-ruled by a higher
court of liberal judges. I wonder how many criminals have 30rd AR mags.

Ammo. For years now we've had to go thru a background check just to buy a box of ammo. Ridiculous!!
Just another ways for Dems to screw with law-abiding gun owners. Do you think criminals walk into the
local Big-5 or Turner's and go thru a background check to buy some ammo? In fact many Big-5 stores are
phasing out their firearms/ammo sales due to the hoops they have to jump thru. But then again..that was the
goal for Dems. Get rid of guns.

AG Bonta "accidentally" leaked our personal info for all the CCW owners in CA. Truly a dangerous, not to mention
a dick move. So much for looking out for public safety.

Storage laws. Gun shows cancelled. FFL Owner/operator restrictions. The list goes on and on.

You're also in TX. You know how liberal the gun laws are there compared to here. Unless you don't own any guns.
In that case you've got now clue. (Again.)
 
pewpew said:
Democrats would love to get rid of firearms outright..although they'll tell you that's not true.
Instead they chip away at our rights here in CA. Ridiculous laws and ridiculous fees to law-abiding
citizens and gun store owners..in the hopes that both will go away. Another ammo tax coming next
month. But let's look at a few current ones.
Gun Roster. I can buy a Gen3 G19 but I can't own a Gen5. But LE can. A few cosmetic differences but
both shoot the same 9mm round. I also can't buy a tan colored pistol in some instances but in others I can.
Again..they both do the same exact thing. Tons of guns on the roster that LE can buy but the average person
can't. Long guns and hand guns.

Magazines. Limited to 10rd mags here in CA. Most other states (other than the highly restrictive NY and
Massachusetts plus a few others) allow "standard capacity" magazines. Show me a convicted felon that
follows the magazine restrictions and I'll show you a person who shouldn't be in possession of a firearm
in the first place. Some of this BS legislation was overturned by Judge Benitez only to be over-ruled by a higher
court of liberal judges. I wonder how many criminals have 30rd AR mags.

Ammo. For years now we've had to go thru a background check just to buy a box of ammo. Ridiculous!!
Just another ways for Dems to screw with law-abiding gun owners. Do you think criminals walk into the
local Big-5 or Turner's and go thru a background check to buy some ammo? In fact many Big-5 stores are
phasing out their firearms/ammo sales due to the hoops they have to jump thru. But then again..that was the
goal for Dems. Get rid of guns.

AG Bonta "accidentally" leaked our personal info for all the CCW owners in CA. Truly a dangerous, not to mention
a dick move. So much for looking out for public safety.

Storage laws. Gun shows cancelled. FFL Owner/operator restrictions. The list goes on and on.

You're also in TX. You know how liberal the gun laws are there compared to here. Unless you don't own any guns.
In that case you've got now clue. (Again.)
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My father was a licensed gun dealer in California. He saw the political gamesmanship like I do. Most gun owners I know have no problem with restrictions and regulations, they vote for it, it’s the price of doing business.

Check out the states with less gun control. There are of course outliers like DC and Chicago, those are high density issues.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/What the data says about gun deaths in the US | Pew Research Center
 
Slobodan said:
So what would be the motivation for doing what he did?

You're kidding yourself. You know damned well that ( illegal aliens + voter ID is racist = Remain in power )
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I've no idea why he fucked it up so bad. Obama was called "Deporter in Chief", so he didn't get it from there. The whole illegals voting assertion lacks any evidence.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
My father was a licensed gun dealer in California. He saw the political gamesmanship like I do. Most gun owners I know have no problem with restrictions and regulations, they vote for it, it’s the price of doing business.

Check out the states with less gun control. There are of course outliers like DC and Chicago, those are high density issues.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/03/05/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-us/What the data says about gun deaths in the US | Pew Research Center
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Typical liberal response. My rich pals in South OC all said back during the heist and poisoning, "it's ok to wear a mask, stay 6 feet away, wash hands and take all jabs and pay a little more for gas. It's my way of giving back and trusting the "experts."
 
I got this email from family "care" physician this morning, I kid you not.

Email subject line: Caring for You—From Pregnancy to Parkinson’s

Ya, read that again. This is the same place that tried to jab me and my family after I sprain my ankle in 2023.

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whatithink said:
The whole illegals voting assertion lacks any evidence.
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In CA, many of the people crooked Joe and his bandits let into our country got fake or old SS# from dead people, fake DL, CC, free housing, some cash, free food and a job standing out at Home Depot and from businesses that cheat. + all the other's WHO were already here have been voting. Mail in ballots in 2020 was so easy to cheat and guess what Grace, the military allowed them to cheat so we could catch them all and expose them all and now they all will pay with justice. In return for this opportunity of a lifetime, they have to vote for they & them dumb dumb. ++, they get counted in the Census. This is 100% what all this is about. Oh, +++, they didn't have to prove being jabbed to death. We see you very clearly. Don't act all dumb now either. You know 100% this is true. CA is in big trouble. I don't blame the people coming here, even the criminals. They were actually invited by the Dems, liberals and Marxists.
 
Slobodan said:
So what would be the motivation for doing what he did?

You're kidding yourself. You know damned well that ( illegal aliens + voter ID is racist = Remain in power )
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I don't think its for immediate votes (since its not the easiest thing to register a critical mass of illegals*), but its 100% for building more influence from the left side of the aisle. Just look at the recent LA riots.

I love how whatithink plays dumb and says IDK and husker says because Trump says it. They claim its not for votes, but can't even remotely articulate another reason. Talk about turning a blind eye.

FYI, most of the legal immigrants I know lean right.

*illegals aren't coming here to vote and most are going to be reluctant to give information to the government if they're here illegally.
 
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