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[Slobodan]

So stupid. 4th team for this kid. We're going to say this is good for college football?

USC Trojans Land Transfer Portal Quarterback Sam Huard, Former 5-Star Recruit

The USC Trojans have landed quarterback Sam Huard in the transfer portal per Brandon Huffman of 247sports. USC will be the fourth different landing spot for Hua

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[crush]

So stupid. 4th team for this kid. We're going to say this is good for college football?

USC Trojans Land Transfer Portal Quarterback Sam Huard, Former 5-Star Recruit

The USC Trojans have landed quarterback Sam Huard in the transfer portal per Brandon Huffman of 247sports. USC will be the fourth different landing spot for Hua

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I got fucking ripped on here in 2018 for being a club hopper. I was told by one jerk that if I leave his precious almighty club and hop away to another club that it would look bad on my daughter because and I quote, "college coaches don't like club hoppers." Ok wise ass, now what do you have to say? He's on here lurking at all my posts. It may be the Jeter dude. These guys are sick bro. They're into some weird fetishes. Now everyone in college is college hopping in sports. The 11 girls' soccer scholarships going to incoming freshman is not looking good.

 

[whatithink]

Really? You aren't seeing a ton of problems already that come from this? Why do we need college football at all if it's not amateur? We have the NFL. It's better quality already. How long before we start looking at college football like the NBA? Nobody is paying to see them play. Nobody is paying to watch our kids play club soccer. It's headed that direction.

Surely the NFL has colluded with college football for years, e.g. they have left Saturday's free for college football on TV, but once the season is over, they immediately schedule on Saturday's. Its a great system for the NFL. They get a "farm" system and reap the benefits from it via the draft and pay nothing for it. The NBA does pretty much the same although they will take some players earlier if they are exceptional. They also have the Euro leagues developing players from a younger age and we can see the impact of some of those top players now (Jokic, Antetokounmpo, Doncic, Wembanyama etc.).

I've never thought of college football and basketball as amateur sports with coaches getting paid in the millions and stadiums selling out with 100K fans. NIL just makes all the alleged payments that have been going on for years open and transparent. If people are prepared to pay them, then why not tbh.

 

[Slobodan]

Surely the NFL has colluded with college football for years, e.g. they have left Saturday's free for college football on TV, but once the season is over, they immediately schedule on Saturday's. Its a great system for the NFL. They get a "farm" system and reap the benefits from it via the draft and pay nothing for it. The NBA does pretty much the same although they will take some players earlier if they are exceptional. They also have the Euro leagues developing players from a younger age and we can see the impact of some of those top players now (Jokic, Antetokounmpo, Doncic, Wembanyama etc.).

I've never thought of college football and basketball as amateur sports with coaches getting paid in the millions and stadiums selling out with 100K fans. NIL just makes all the alleged payments that have been going on for years open and transparent. If people are prepared to pay them, then why not tbh.

I don't have a problem with NIL, per se, as much as it screws up the nostalgia when the transfer portal combination allows and encourages kids to bounce around like pinballs. And I don't think it's peaked yet in terms of how jacked up it's going to be. And I don't have a problem with the NFL colluding with college because it helps both and hurts nobody. But when was the last time you saw an inferior product get as much or more popularity than the best? Pretty rare if any. There's something special about college sports... I suppose football and men's basketball but the rest are only being watched by parents, students and the faithful.

I'll disagree with you about the "amateur" part because I think tuition, meal cards, a stipend, swag, etc really isn't all that much relative to the coaches and stadiums you refer to. The football and basketball revenue funds all the other programs, though, right? And isn't that part of meshing 25-50 sports teams per university? I just don't like it... and I think the worst is yet to come.

 

[LASTMAN14]

I don't have a problem with NIL, per se, as much as it screws up the nostalgia when the transfer portal combination allows and encourages kids to bounce around like pinballs. And I don't think it's peaked yet in terms of how jacked up it's going to be. And I don't have a problem with the NFL colluding with college because it helps both and hurts nobody. But when was the last time you saw an inferior product get as much or more popularity than the best? Pretty rare if any. There's something special about college sports... I suppose football and men's basketball but the rest are only being watched by parents, students and the faithful.

I'll disagree with you about the "amateur" part because I think tuition, meal cards, a stipend, swag, etc really isn't all that much relative to the coaches and stadiums you refer to. The football and basketball revenue funds all the other programs, though, right? And isn't that part of meshing 25-50 sports teams per university? I just don't like it... and I think the worst is yet to come.

With the craziness that is NIL and the transfer portal, maybe the draft (for the NFL/NBA) should go away. Maybe colleges should start asking for transfer fees when a NFL or NBA team is interested in one of their players. And, if a player transfers to another school there can be solidarity payments.

 

[Slobodan]

With the craziness that is NIL and the transfer portal, maybe the draft (for the NFL/NBA) should go away. Maybe colleges should start asking for transfer fees when a NFL or NBA team is interested in one of their players. And, if a player transfers to another school there can be solidarity payments.

I guess. Don't know what the answer is but college sports required a commitment and that seems to have gone by the wayside.

I'd love to know how many players enter the portal and end up with nothing because nobody picked them up. Is that being talked about or posted anywhere? I guess they just call a juco and play there for a year? I wonder how many portal players an existing coach brings back.

 

[KingMI]

NIL clearly is not working out for most players. Kids are getting fired or not paid if they don't perform. That is the main reason kids are transferring.No one will pay you if you are not a major contributor. The parent's need to tell their player go to school get a free education if you can get few extra bucks that's cool. But some of these kids parental/environmental situations are not all peaches and cream.

 

[LASTMAN14]

I guess. Don't know what the answer is but college sports required a commitment and that seems to have gone by the wayside.

I'd love to know how many players enter the portal and end up with nothing because nobody picked them up. Is that being talked about or posted anywhere? I guess they just call a juco and play there for a year? I wonder how many portal players an existing coach brings back.

There is such a lack of commitment now with the portal as it is in any college sport. I am so glad my DD is happy where she is and has no plans to move. The metric on female college players is 1200 in the portal. But, what does it look like for football? X (Twitter) and TPD have some players posted who publicly announced there situation. I know that my DD coach did bring back a player who did not get picked up twice. He did it because the player is a solid citizen.

 

[LASTMAN14]

NIL clearly is not working out for most players. Kids are getting fired or not paid if they don't perform. That is the main reason kids are transferring.No one will pay you if you are not a major contributor. The parent's need to tell their player go to school get a free education if you can get few extra bucks that's cool. But some of these kids parental/environmental situations are not all peaches and cream.

A local South Bay (in LA) WCC D1 coach told any player that if they did not play last year or contribute should move on.

 

[crush]

I guess. Don't know what the answer is but college sports required a commitment and that seems to have gone by the wayside.

I'd love to know how many players enter the portal and end up with nothing because nobody picked them up. Is that being talked about or posted anywhere? I guess they just call a juco and play there for a year? I wonder how many portal players an existing coach brings back.

Lots of girls quit the last few years. Covid sure did a number on all the girls. Some girls were blocked entry into a college all together. NCAA gave extra year and then added the portal. Two players I know quit this year because no one picked them up. The good news is they will graduate on time with good degrees and find work to work the rest of their lives.

 

[KingMI]

A local South Bay (in LA) WCC D1 coach told any player that if they did not play last year or contribute should move on.

Players are learning to get in where they fit in. People will soon wish for the days you can ride the bench and get a full ride for 4yrs.

 

[crush]

A local South Bay (in LA) WCC D1 coach told any player that if they did not play last year or contribute should move on.

Nothing like putting the school first from coach.

Coach: Grab a knee kids, coach has some news. Look, if you didn't play or contribute last year, get lost losers

P

 

[Slobodan]

A local South Bay (in LA) WCC D1 coach told any player that if they did not play last year or contribute should move on.

Hmm. I wonder how much of that is the 28 player reduction act and if they were ever in the plans to begin with. Didn't Title 9 mandate a minimum number of roster spots for women's soccer? 30 or so minimum with no maximum?

 

[whatithink]

I don't have a problem with NIL, per se, as much as it screws up the nostalgia when the transfer portal combination allows and encourages kids to bounce around like pinballs. And I don't think it's peaked yet in terms of how jacked up it's going to be. And I don't have a problem with the NFL colluding with college because it helps both and hurts nobody. But when was the last time you saw an inferior product get as much or more popularity than the best? Pretty rare if any. There's something special about college sports... I suppose football and men's basketball but the rest are only being watched by parents, students and the faithful.

I'll disagree with you about the "amateur" part because I think tuition, meal cards, a stipend, swag, etc really isn't all that much relative to the coaches and stadiums you refer to. The football and basketball revenue funds all the other programs, though, right? And isn't that part of meshing 25-50 sports teams per university? I just don't like it... and I think the worst is yet to come.

The amateur thing is a bit of myth to me. You can take the tuition, meal cards, stipend, swag, special tutors and preferential housing and call that payment in kind. Add to that the training, facilities, nutrition and sports medicine etc that they get, then they are & were pro in all but name. NIL makes is official (to me) and the transfer portal gives some power to the players whereas prior a coach basically had you by the short and curlies.

I don't know if the big two everywhere fund everything else, but probably do in some places. That's all due to title IX though, otherwise would the colleges really carry them all? e.g. What would the US Olympic Committee do if the colleges could drop them, given they basically have college sports providing them with all their athletes and success, same as NFL and NBA in the main.

Isn't title IX predicated on federal education funding, here's a whatif .. what if education is handed back to the states to administer and there is no direct federal funding (no dept of education), does that mean title IX is defunct and colleges can drop any sports they don't want anymore - what impact would that have?

 

[Yak]

The amateur thing is a bit of myth to me. You can take the tuition, meal cards, stipend, swag, special tutors and preferential housing and call that payment in kind. Add to that the training, facilities, nutrition and sports medicine etc that they get, then they are & were pro in all but name. NIL makes is official (to me) and the transfer portal gives some power to the players whereas prior a coach basically had you by the short and curlies.

I don't know if the big two everywhere fund everything else, but probably do in some places. That's all due to title IX though, otherwise would the colleges really carry them all? e.g. What would the US Olympic Committee do if the colleges could drop them, given they basically have college sports providing them with all their athletes and success, same as NFL and NBA in the main.

Isn't title IX predicated on federal education funding, here's a whatif .. what if education is handed back to the states to administer and there is no direct federal funding (no dept of education), does that mean title IX is defunct and colleges can drop any sports they don't want anymore - what impact would that have?

Now that close to 60% of undergraduate students are female, maybe Title IX has run its course or needs to shift into reverse.

 

[LASTMAN14]

Hmm. I wonder how much of that is the 28 player reduction act and if they were ever in the plans to begin with. Didn't Title 9 mandate a minimum number of roster spots for women's soccer? 30 or so minimum with no maximum?

Think it's roster reduction and wanting to win at the expense of the players he recruited.

 

[watfly]

Now that close to 60% of undergraduate students are female, maybe Title IX has run its course or needs to shift into reverse.

It's relevancy seems in question now that biological men can compete against women...but I'm not a Title IX expert.

 

[watfly]

The amateur thing is a bit of myth to me. You can take the tuition, meal cards, stipend, swag, special tutors and preferential housing and call that payment in kind. Add to that the training, facilities, nutrition and sports medicine etc that they get, then they are & were pro in all but name.

I think most people can see a distinct difference between enhanced academic support, and cash in the 6 and 7 figures. That having been said, I have no clue what the "right" answer or "fair" resolution is. To me, paying certain student athletes $8 mm just doesn't pass the smell test. But hey, more power to them.

 

[whatithink]

I think most people can see a distinct difference between enhanced academic support, and cash in the 6 and 7 figures. That having been said, I have no clue what the "right" answer or "fair" resolution is. To me, paying certain student athletes $8 mm just doesn't pass the smell test. But hey, more power to them.

Sure, but the payment in kind via tuition, meal cards, stipend, swag, special tutors and preferential housing can be comfortably worth tens of thousands of dollars. The MLS min salary is $40K, the NWSL is $35K and those are full time pros! At the other end of the spectrum in both are players on 7 figures or high 6 - so for the x factor players, then it makes sense in college that they get the x factor $, given all the money sloshing around.

Its also worth keeping in mind that the NIL money comes from boosters and brand sponsors etc., not from the college. The latter is something the players can carry forward if they keep their play profile and move to another school or go pro.

 

[watfly]

Sure, but the payment in kind via tuition, meal cards, stipend, swag, special tutors and preferential housing can be comfortably worth tens of thousands of dollars. The MLS min salary is $40K, the NWSL is $35K and those are full time pros! At the other end of the spectrum in both are players on 7 figures or high 6 - so for the x factor players, then it makes sense in college that they get the x factor $, given all the money sloshing around.

Its also worth keeping in mind that the NIL money comes from boosters and brand sponsors etc., not from the college. The latter is something the players can carry forward if they keep their play profile and move to another school or go pro.

Some of that value is artificial given the obscene tuition charged by some institutions, but I digress. Tuition and housing at Michigan is $85k OOS, and scholarships are available to academic students that don't bring in near the level of income into the university, if any. We don't consider those students as pro, nor is it taxed. NIL is taxed. Yes, student athletes still probably get more perks than the scholarshipped biology student at most schools, but that doesn't make them pro. Perks and swag are cool, but they're not compensation. You also don't have the ability to use in-kind in any way you choose (you can't buy shit with it), whereas NIL you can (ha, that's probably an argument for NIL). The two things are not remotely comparable on a dollar for dollar basis. Academic related in-kind and NIL are inherently different.

Technically NIL comes from boosters, but the colleges negotiate the amount and are the vehicles that provide the opportunity for pay to play.

 

[whatithink]

Some of that value is artificial given the obscene tuition charged by some institutions, but I digress. Tuition and housing at Michigan is $85k OOS, and scholarships are available to academic students that don't bring in near the level of income into the university, if any. We don't consider those students as pro, nor is it taxed. NIL is taxed. Yes, student athletes still probably get more perks than the scholarshipped biology student at most schools, but that doesn't make them pro. Perks and swag are cool, but they're not compensation. You also don't have the ability to use in-kind in any way you choose (you can't buy shit with it), whereas NIL you can (ha, that's probably an argument for NIL). The two things are not remotely comparable on a dollar for dollar basis. Academic related in-kind and NIL are inherently different.

Technically NIL comes from boosters, but the colleges negotiate the amount and are the vehicles that provide the opportunity for pay to play.

I agree broadly, but NIL is not just boosters. Its also leveraging your image for brand sponsorship - Livvy Dunne being a true exception there with zero boosters but a massive social media presence which has her earning around $4M from major brands.