More potential NCAA changes

[crush]

People get paid whatever the market will bear, with no collusion and price fixing among employers.

100%. I remember a few years ago the market said people only get paid and allowed to enroll in Big U if they take the jabs. Some employers got triple bonus pay from the medical market if they were able to sucker you in to being jabbed. No jabs, no pay or enrollment. That is one hell of a market Dad. This was the kind of market we all lived in, and it was insane because those WHO controlled the market were clearly psychopaths and control freaks. Let's see what the market bears next.

 

[Slobodan]

Ends badly? Not at all.

I think the end state is we give up on the illusion of amateur college football. People get paid whatever the market will bear, with no collusion and price fixing among employers.

That means football teams would start earning the same kind of money as other entertainers who can sell out 50,000 seat stadiums.

Now, if your school wants to field a football team by offering $20 per hour, go for it. Nothing wrong with that. Play against other schools with similar views, and enjoy your games. Just don’t complain that ESPN doesn’t offer 30M per season for the TV rights to your “pure” league.

Really? You aren't seeing a ton of problems already that come from this? Why do we need college football at all if it's not amateur? We have the NFL. It's better quality already. How long before we start looking at college football like the NBA? Nobody is paying to see them play. Nobody is paying to watch our kids play club soccer. It's headed that direction.

 

[Slobodan]

Except reality got in the way with this interpretation. Some will scream until they lose their voice that raising the minimum wage will cost jobs, and then when it actually happens they get quiet until the next election, as jobs are not lost (or gained) any more than usual, with the change that the lowest-skilled workers can't be programmatically underpaid.



Not a thing about this is natural, nor has it ever been, and all restrictions on supply and demand in this space up to now are contrived based on agendas.



Big-time college sports, if anyone actually looked behind the scenes, has been corrupted for many, many decades. If it gave off the aura of youth and innocence, it's because fans were happy not to think too hard about it.



Yes. There's now huge momentum to "let the free market" reign, and give students much more flexibility in where they can play, how they can play, and how much and by who they can be paid. It makes a farce of "amateur" sports, and turns it into another pro league, where the players are more concentrated around a 4 year age band.

Except that jobs were lost. A small business owner simply cuts positions because he has to pay the milkshake maker $20 an hour instead of $15. Or he gives fewer raises to the deserving. The problem isn't the perception of "I'm making milkshakes for $15 so I'm underpaid." The problem is that milkshake guy thinks milkshakes should buy him a lifestyle.

Yes, I know college football and basketball has been dirty for a long time, because that's where the money is, but it's always been about entertainment and, in my opinion, the entertainment is moving in the wrong direction. Effectively what we're saying is, NCAA making as much money as possible... bad. 20-year old making as much money as possible... good. How many of those athletes would be in college at all if it wasn't for collegiate sports?

They were always free to play where they wanted to play and how they could play. The idea that they're somehow slaves or victims, to me, is an absolute joke. More lack of accountability for the current generation.

 

[Slobodan]

Really? You aren't seeing a ton of problems already that come from this? Why do we need college football at all if it's not amateur? We have the NFL. It's better quality already. How long before we start looking at college football like the NBA? Nobody is paying to see them play. Nobody is paying to watch our kids play club soccer. It's headed that direction.

Too late to edit. I meant that college football runs the risk of ending up like the WNBA. Or some farm system for the NFL. Not good.

 

[Carlsbad7]

Too late to edit. I meant that college football runs the risk of ending up like the WNBA. Or some farm system for the NFL. Not good.

Why is college sports maintaining some odd understanding of "amaturisim" important?

It's weird to have 50k+ fans show up for a college football game but somehow the athletes that draw the 50k+ fans are considered amateurs?

It's also weird that minor league baseball teams don't play against college baseball teams. Why? The players are all roughly the same age and skillset.

 

[Slobodan]

Why is college sports maintaining some odd understanding of "amaturisim" important?

It's weird to have 50k+ fans show up for a college football game but somehow the athletes that draw the 50k+ fans are considered amateurs?

It's also weird that minor league baseball teams don't play against college baseball teams. Why? The players are all roughly the same age and skillset.

Because 'amateur' is why it exists to begin with. It's the entire essence of college sports in general. That's the novelty of it. That sans some exceptions, there's some purity to it. Otherwise, it's just another minor league.

It's not weird at all. It's been that way for a very long time. Now, all of a sudden, they have to get paid? It's always been argued that would become a problem and it didn't take long to find fruition. Some traditions are worth saving.

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

Except that jobs were lost. A small business owner simply cuts positions because he has to pay the milkshake maker $20 an hour instead of $15. Or he gives fewer raises to the deserving. The problem isn't the perception of "I'm making milkshakes for $15 so I'm underpaid." The problem is that milkshake guy thinks milkshakes should buy him a lifestyle.

It's a nice story, but it's fear-mongering bullshit spread by people (and their mouthpieces) who want to pay as little as possible to workers, especially ones without any political power. It's not true. It's never been true. But the target audience continues to believe and spread it.

They were always free to play where they wanted to play and how they could play. The idea that they're somehow slaves or victims, to me, is an absolute joke. More lack of accountability for the current generation.

They weren't victims or slaves before, and they aren't now. Lack of accountability has very little to do with it, but it's certainly a common "get off my lawn" argument. Along with the terrible music, dress, and hairstyle of the younger generation (repeat this argument every 20 years or so, it never gets old).

Because 'amateur' is why it exists to begin with. It's the entire essence of college sports in general. That's the novelty of it. That sans some exceptions, there's some purity to it. Otherwise, it's just another minor league.

It's not weird at all. It's been that way for a very long time. Now, all of a sudden, they have to get paid? It's always been argued that would become a problem and it didn't take long to find fruition. Some traditions are worth saving.

Things can be weird for a very long time. People also generally don't like change. Unfortunately it doesn't mean that keeping things weird is the way to go.

 

[TopesWin]

... and California democrats got together and said minimum wage should be $20 an hour for patty flippers and a lot of people lost their jobs. There should be a natural sweet spot, dictated by supply and demand, but college athletes are supposed to be amateurs and letting them become free agents doesn't end well (in my opinion). I think there are other ways they could have compensated the players and still maintained their amateur status in the interest of keeping college athletics as "pure" as possible. I mean, isn't that one of the reasons why so many of us enjoyed Florida vs. Florida State over Dolphins vs. Buccaneers? There's an element of youth and innocence... however corny or untrue that may be... and I'm seeing that slide over the cliff as we speak.

Don't you think it's problematic to allow college athletes to make tons of money and unlimited transfers? Don't you think that ends badly?

Corporatists say the same thing every time an increase in the minimum wage is proposed, and their "sky is falling" bullshit never pans out. Pathetic! Ending the grotesque wealth disparity in this country is the #1 priority and a $20 minimum wage is only a tiny piece of what is needed.

 

[crush]

Corporatists say the same thing every time an increase in the minimum wage is proposed, and their "sky is falling" bullshit never pans out. Pathetic! Ending the grotesque wealth disparity in this country is the #1 priority and a $20 minimum wage is only a tiny piece of what is needed.

I think everyone should get some sort of Universal Basic Income (UBI) after this is all over and the cheaters and liars are put away for good. Everyone deserves to be free and you sure can't be free when they & them control your life. If you're not jabbed, your fired! Or, no jabs=no college for our kids. Horrible way to live as a slave. I would also like to add that the retirement age be 55 and everyone 55+ should be taken care of for the rest of their life and not thrown into some nursing home or "A Place for Mom." How come there is no "A Place for Dad?" Lots of information will be coming out the next two weeks and months ahead that will piss everyone off except the real cheaters and slave masters.

 

[Slobodan]

Corporatists say the same thing every time an increase in the minimum wage is proposed, and their "sky is falling" bullshit never pans out. Pathetic! Ending the grotesque wealth disparity in this country is the #1 priority and a $20 minimum wage is only a tiny piece of what is needed.

Huh? What's your proof that it never pans out? How many businesses do you own? My kid has friends that were laid off at her place of employment, which was designed to give a lot of teenagers some spending money and somewhere productive to be on the weekends, because democrats think buying votes is a good idea when your lack of leadership doesn't win them.

If you want to end the "grotesque" wealth disparity, make yourself more valuable to an employer.

 

[Slobodan]

It's a nice story, but it's fear-mongering bullshit spread by people (and their mouthpieces) who want to pay as little as possible to workers, especially ones without any political power. It's not true. It's never been true. But the target audience continues to believe and spread it.



They weren't victims or slaves before, and they aren't now. Lack of accountability has very little to do with it, but it's certainly a common "get off my lawn" argument. Along with the terrible music, dress, and hairstyle of the younger generation (repeat this argument every 20 years or so, it never gets old).



Things can be weird for a very long time. People also generally don't like change. Unfortunately it doesn't mean that keeping things weird is the way to go.

I'll ask you the same question. "fear mongering bullshit" based on what evidence? Most people want to pay as little as possible. I want to pay as little as possible in taxes. Why would my company be any different? Not to the point of "slavery" like the drama club here would fall to their knees and cry out for, but "fair wages" is a relative concept. When I see 40-year olds demanding $20 an hour for dropping fries in some hot grease because they can't make their house payment, I sympathize if you lost your adult job and are just trying to survive, but also know this country is full of deadbeats with their hands out. California especially. That's the liberal voter base and they hate other people having wealth unless it results in a fat paycheck headed their way.

 

[NorCalDad]

Huh? What's your proof that it never pans out? How many businesses do you own? My kid has friends that were laid off at her place of employment, which was designed to give a lot of teenagers some spending money and somewhere productive to be on the weekends, because democrats think buying votes is a good idea when your lack of leadership doesn't win them.

If you want to end the "grotesque" wealth disparity, make yourself more valuable to an employer.

I had to do a double take to see if this thread was in "The Kitchen". Why do you insist in bringing these political discussions here? Can't you keep them in "The Kitchen" with all the other ill-informed bottom feeders?

 

[crush]

I had to do a double take to see if this thread was in "The Kitchen". Why do you insist in bringing these political discussions here? Can't you keep them in "The Kitchen" with all the other ill-informed bottom feeders?

Bottom feeders?

 

[Carlsbad7]

NCAA is considering giving ALL student athletes 5 years of eligibility.

This is on top of the 2ys of JC waivers. Which could make some players eligible for 7 years!

NCAA Mulls Over New Five-Year Eligibility Rule for Student-Athletes

The NCAA is reportedly weighing a momentous rule adjustment that would extend the eligibility of student-athletes across all sporting disciplines to five years This news was brought to light on

www.footboom1.com

 

[RandomSoccerFan]

I'll ask you the same question. "fear mongering bullshit" based on what evidence?

Not how it works Slobo, and it never has. Making a bullshit argument, getting called on it, and then asking them to provide proof (when you didn't), is trolling 101.

If you (or anyone who agreed with your point of view), actually believed that raising the minimum wage would materially cut jobs and be overall worse economically for the population as a whole, they'd look at all of the times it actually has been done and nothing of the sort came to pass. And they'd stop making the false argument. But you don't, they don't, and you're both full of crap - even if you believe in your bones that you're not.

 

[TopesWin]

Bottom feeders?

Such as you...for instance

 

[TopesWin]

Huh? What's your proof that it never pans out? How many businesses do you own? My kid has friends that were laid off at her place of employment, which was designed to give a lot of teenagers some spending money and somewhere productive to be on the weekends, because democrats think buying votes is a good idea when your lack of leadership doesn't win them.

If you want to end the "grotesque" wealth disparity, make yourself more valuable to an employer.

I own five currently, for whatever point you're trying to make of that...and I pay no one less than $25 per hour. I understand the human dignity in work and I consider everyone valuable enough to earn a living wage for an honest day's work. I suppose I could be somewhat wealthier if I had a different viewpoint, but I would be no happier.
I know you're going to have the last word, so I do hope it brings you joy...

 

[crush]

Such as you...for instance

Ok Captain Obvious. Thanks for pointing out the facts and now the Kitchen has officially moved out for everyone to join, including the top feeders like yourself Mr. Topes. It must be nice up in your Ivory tower looking down on us bottom feeders in the Kitchen. I smell your woke milk toast from here. When did you find out you were a? I made a mean bowl of Jumbo lie a in my kitchen today.

 

[JeterwastheBEST]

Playing college sports isn't slavery, Colin. Neither is the NFL combine. Jesus Fucking Christ... the victimhood with some of you is palpable.

If playing college sports is that fucking bad, don't do it. There's THOUSANDS of kids behind you willing to make you irrelevant.

"Slobodan", your Ukrainism is showing huckleberry, wanting free everything I see.... and watch your language you stupid f*ck...

 

[JeterwastheBEST]

Ok Captain Obvious. Thanks for pointing out the facts and now the Kitchen has officially moved out for everyone to join, including the top feeders like yourself Mr. Topes. It must be nice up in your Ivory tower looking down on us bottom feeders in the Kitchen. I smell your woke milk toast from here. When did you find out you were a? I made a mean bowl of Jumbo lie a in my kitchen today.

I believe "Slobodan" has been hitting your pipe while your bent over....