Hmm. I wonder how much of that is the 28 player reduction act and if they were ever in the plans to begin with. Didn't Title 9 mandate a minimum number of roster spots for women's soccer? 30 or so minimum with no maximum?
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The amateur thing is a bit of myth to me. You can take the tuition, meal cards, stipend, swag, special tutors and preferential housing and call that payment in kind. Add to that the training, facilities, nutrition and sports medicine etc that they get, then they are & were pro in all but name. NIL makes is official (to me) and the transfer portal gives some power to the players whereas prior a coach basically had you by the short and curlies.
I don't know if the big two everywhere fund everything else, but probably do in some places. That's all due to title IX though, otherwise would the colleges really carry them all? e.g. What would the US Olympic Committee do if the colleges could drop them, given they basically have college sports providing them with all their athletes and success, same as NFL and NBA in the main.
Isn't title IX predicated on federal education funding, here's a whatif .. what if education is handed back to the states to administer and there is no direct federal funding (no dept of education), does that mean title IX is defunct and colleges can drop any sports they don't want anymore - what impact would that have?
Now that close to 60% of undergraduate students are female, maybe Title IX has run its course or needs to shift into reverse.
Think it's roster reduction and wanting to win at the expense of the players he recruited.
I think most people can see a distinct difference between enhanced academic support, and cash in the 6 and 7 figures. That having been said, I have no clue what the "right" answer or "fair" resolution is. To me, paying certain student athletes $8 mm just doesn't pass the smell test. But hey, more power to them.
whatithink
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Sure, but the payment in kind via tuition, meal cards, stipend, swag, special tutors and preferential housing can be comfortably worth tens of thousands of dollars. The MLS min salary is $40K, the NWSL is $35K and those are full time pros! At the other end of the spectrum in both are players on 7 figures or high 6 - so for the x factor players, then it makes sense in college that they get the x factor $, given all the money sloshing around.
Its also worth keeping in mind that the NIL money comes from boosters and brand sponsors etc., not from the college. The latter is something the players can carry forward if they keep their play profile and move to another school or go pro.
Some of that value is artificial given the obscene tuition charged by some institutions, but I digress. Tuition and housing at Michigan is $85k OOS, and scholarships are available to academic students that don't bring in near the level of income into the university, if any. We don't consider those students as pro, nor is it taxed. NIL is taxed. Yes, student athletes still probably get more perks than the scholarshipped biology student at most schools, but that doesn't make them pro. Perks and swag are cool, but they're not compensation. You also don't have the ability to use in-kind in any way you choose (you can't buy shit with it), whereas NIL you can (ha, that's probably an argument for NIL). The two things are not remotely comparable on a dollar for dollar basis. Academic related in-kind and NIL are inherently different.
Technically NIL comes from boosters, but the colleges negotiate the amount and are the vehicles that provide the opportunity for pay to play.
whatithink
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I agree broadly, but NIL is not just boosters. Its also leveraging your image for brand sponsorship - Livvy Dunne being a true exception there with zero boosters but a massive social media presence which has her earning around $4M from major brands.
Yep. In fact the original concept of NIL (or should I say rationalization) was that athletes should be able to get paid for their name/image/likeness to promote a product or service, not specifically to play a sport. It appears that for the most part it has devolved into just paying athletes to improve the boosters college basketball and football team.
True, but before colleges and NCAA were making money off of players Name, Image, and likeness which is illegal.
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I just don't see this setup being sustainable for long for most universities. Personally I'm conflicted - I love our college culture where athletics plays a part, that said, I hate what it has become with big $$$ and NIL. More and more schools will choose to go D3 or just scrap it all together and have club sports. We need to get back to the focus on educate in this country which is really what our universities should be about.
That's a great point. Name, image and likeness for whom? Between the words "booster" and "social media", I need to go take another shower.
And on the flip side, Shedeur Sanders isn't making a dime unless he wears a Colorado Buffaloes jersey. Nobody knows Olivia Dunne exists unless she's a gymnast for LSU.
There has to be a common ground, that produces an equitable outcome, that doesn't destroy the game. Again, I don't see this lasting long or ending well in its current form.
This kid is going to be a junior and has completed 44 college passes. He has already committed to or played for the following schools primarily driven by NIL.
Miami
Florida (suing for a claimed $13.5 mm NIL contract)
ASU
Georgia
Now in transfer portal
I'd argue that Olivia Dunne is a different situation. The fact that she is on the LSU gymnastics teams is ancillary to her NIL value. I believe she was a backup at one point and still was getting paid millions. She's really getting paid as an influencer and not for her ability on the balance beam. While I don't completely understand the influencer thing (dating myself) I'm OK with it because she's providing a service to the products she is representing.
100%. England has that set up. You go to Big U to learn a trade or become a doctor. They do have soccer but it's more of a club and more for fun
Okay but she's not 'an influencer' without being a gymnast at LSU. That's my point. She has no NIL value without LSU. It's like the Kardashian family. Every one of those women should be paying a % of that NIL money to Ray J for putting Kim on film. Sort of a finder's fee, you know?
Without CU, Shedeur is just another athletic son of a HOF football player. Had the kid stayed at Jackson State, nobody knows him.
That is a good point. So what happens when these kids get a big NIL "salary" from boosters and they don't perform? Will the boosters then withhold money until they quit and leave? Seems like the boosters now have direct control of the purse strings and have defacto control over who comes to and leaves the program through NIL dollars. Or if players feeling they are underpaid could pull a Jayden Daniels, let ASU develop them then run to LSU to get paid. This is a whole new world and will take some adjustment.
It sure beats the $100 handshakes the players had to do in the past with Mr. Rich Booster. These guys love to control people. I had a buddy tell me that his buddy from a Big U would go shake hands with the booster bros for spending money and just some food money. The players were slaves.