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It went private. Any updates before during public session as i didnt catch most of it.November U.S. Soccer BOD Public Session
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But, if you choose July 1st ALL schools are covered across the nation. If you choose Aug there's a very small minority (less than 1%) with school starts in July.
What I'm saying is give some players that are born after July 1st but before their school cutoff date the option to chose between playing up or down.
In the end most will choose to play with their age in school.
This is basically BY but starting July 1st not Jan 1st. All trapped players are addressed and you don't need to do waivers to accommodate the 1% of edge cases.
NorCalSoccerFan
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Link is public again but they didn’t discuss this topic.
RandomSoccerFan
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No. Nothing will cover all kids, if the goal is to make sure that 100% will play with their grade. Kids start school early, and are allowed to start late, all the time. When it comes to club soccer, many of them are also enrolled in private school, where in that case these school cutoff dates don't matter much. Moving it to July 1 instead of Aug 1 may in fact be beneficial in that less kids would be affected - if that is closer to the cut-off date for most school starts. But any date chosen is going to advantage some and disadvantage others. If they choose Aug 1, those with aug birthdays have the most options, while those with July birthdays are hosed. If they choose July 1, those with July birthdays have the most options, while those with June birthdays are hosed. And if they stay with Jan 1, those with Jan birthdays have the most options, while those with December birthdays remain hosed.
I'm only considering defined school district start dates.
Private school, and homeschool hold backs can play with their age.
What I'm looking for is a way to accommodate most players and to make things as simple as possible for Clubs to implement.
RandomSoccerFan
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"My proposal will cover 100% (of the kids that I choose to cover with my proposal)".
Correct, all players that attend public school.
Either way you're going to end up with edge cases. (Which is why I dont like SY) At least what I proposed addresses all public school cutoff dates.
Bummer. Who can share or leak the recap of the private discussion on the topic?
PSSLU is a very well run league for those in the southern LA/North OC areasBack to CSL is is!
The commonly reffered to mandated cut off date is the minimum age (5) to start kindergarten. It would be incorrect to use it as the strict maximum age for soccer purposes. Agreed with other posters that summer kids start kindergarten the summer they just turned 6 all the time.
RandomSoccerFan
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Either it addresses 100%, or there are edge cases that it doesn't cover. Pick one.
If the chosen date is earlier in the year than the school cut-off date, the kids born in that gap may have issues depending on what school year they were allowed to start, and what year soccer team they are playing on. Same as if the chosen date is later in the year than the school cut-off date. The bigger the gap, in either direction, the more issues that are likely to show themselves. Minimizing that gap seems to be a reasonable goal. You think July 1 does that, however it seems that Aug 1 is where the powers that be are landing on so far.
And I agree, that a BY date of Jan 1 takes all of the ambiguity away, and separates biological age from school year.
This may seem like nitpicking, but I think its an important to note that a calendar year cutoff is not biological age, but chronological age. Biological age can differ dramatically from calendar/chronological age...even by years.
RAE has virtually nothing to due with chronological/calendar age, it has everything to do with biological age. So RAE can't be addressed by changing the calendar cutoff.
Yes it can.
Just give the players born in the second half of the year the option to play down.
Most would choose to play with their grade in school by the time they get to High School and showcases become the focus.
Then that would effectively change BY to SY or vice versa, it makes no sense. Wait until a 6' 170# U13 born in the 2nd half of the year (based on whatever cutoff) plays down on U12. It would exacerbate the problem. It's not the calendar, its the biology. My kids were both 2 years behind on bio vs chron. It can happen the other way with bio older than chron (you know the 12 year olds that looked like they could have driven to the game). Its nothing a calendar cutoff can fix.
RandomSoccerFan
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Correct, I should have used "chronological".
Same here as it impacts decisions for December tryouts.
2025/26 will stay birth year from what I'm told.
Discussion will be about 26/27 and if the school year will be 8/1 or 9/1 but no changes for 25/26.
Although it would be nice to have some communication from the Emerald City sooner rather than later.