Maralago warrant and aftereffects --

Still, the affidavit contained telling clues about why investigators took the extraordinary step of executing a search warrant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month. It also revealed the extent to which officials tried using less intrusive measures to get Trump to hand over government records that were improperly stored at his Florida residence.
 
What is the difference between being charged or indicted?
The difference between being indicted and charged relies on who files the charges. “Being charged” with a crime means the prosecutor filed charges. An indictment means the grand jury filed charges against the defendant.


These Libs who are 100% all in for t getting indicted and can't hold themselves together with their excitement. My buddy keeps texting me the same stuff these clowns on here produce. It's like clock work and they all watch the same BS on TV. They hate t and all his followers so much they want him in jail and his followers not able to work and have a job unless they submit to all the Jabs and support their way of life. This was their plan all along but t upset HRC and ruined The Plan. Can you all imagine our country if HRC would have won like she was supposed to? We will all find out who sold us out for 30 coins. Yes, they sold us out for money, power so they could live in evil. Liars and cheaters go together and together they will both pay the penalty for lying and cheating the American people and the world.
 
On August 8, Grace posted this --

The Rubicon has just been crossed politically. Trump's Mar Largo residence was raided by the FBI. If the GOP ever take the presidency again (particularly if it's DeSantis) they'll wholesale purge the FBI. Like Latin American Republics, each ingoing admin will use the legal infrastructure to punish (even deservedly so) the outgoing admin. As in Latin America, political contests become existential threats to the politicians because they determine who is going to jail.

Assuming Biden lives long enough, if the Rs win 2024 they are totally turning the Hunter situation against him. If true, they will turn the covering of Joe Biden's mental state and possible dementia against those around him.

The Latin Americanization of US politics is here.


How do we all feel about this now, after so much has been revealed?
This thread started with this quote from Grace and she has not yet responded at all (unless she is behind some of the ignored dunderhead accounts).
 
@Grace T. someone who ignores half of us on here is looking for you. What a clown show we got us now. Grace and Hound, please deal with these liars. I tired and need a break :)
 
Still, the affidavit contained telling clues about why investigators took the extraordinary step of executing a search warrant at Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate earlier this month. It also revealed the extent to which officials tried using less intrusive measures to get Trump to hand over government records that were improperly stored at his Florida residence.

You post worthless written diatribe when confronted with the TRUTH, you have been a card
carrying Schill for a Political movement that is destroying the very fabric of the American
Republic that supported and facilitated your ability to earn a living and a fair wage.
Individuals like YOU live in the moment and DO NOT think of the future ramifications of
SELFISH actions YOU and YOUR vile political class have/will inflict on this once shining example
of FREEDOM given to all of us who had the luck to be born on this continent.
The Forefathers who created/instilled the documents on this Republic left a living creation
that under educated individuals such as YOU have NO real understanding of what it is YOU are
stepping/spitting on.
You will be gone with all your short term selfish financial acquisitions, but the damage
YOU and YOURS have done to this Republic will follow on. The next generation will have
to correct the wrongs, YOU and YOURS facilitated by pure acts of Low Intellect SELFISHNESS.
Make sure YOU realize that Shiny Ring in YOUR nose is the property of the ones who led YOU
to this destination in YOUR life, one that YOU could change if YOU accepted the TRUTH.
 
"Even with all its redactions, the probable cause affidavit published today by the magistrate judge in Florida makes clear to me three essential points:""

(1) Trump was in unauthorized possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) He was put on notice by the U.S. Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) He continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month."

Setting aside the fact that the dailybeast has a far left bias, I don't necessarily disagree with points 1-3; however, I have my doubts that he will be indicted for mishandling confidential information, much like the hearings, its mostly just made for tv drama.

His Georgia shenanigans are really what they should be pursuing criminally. I don't want him to be an option on the 2024 ballot, but I don't think we should throw due process aside.
 
"Even with all its redactions, the probable cause affidavit published today by the magistrate judge in Florida makes clear to me three essential points:""

(1) Trump was in unauthorized possession of national defense information, namely properly marked classified documents.

(2) He was put on notice by the U.S. Government that he was not permitted to retain those documents at Mar-a-Lago.

(3) He continued to maintain possession of the documents (and allegedly undertook efforts to conceal them in different places throughout the property) up until the FBI finally executed a search warrant earlier this month."


Play it again...

Can the president declassify documents?
THE SOURCES
THE ANSWER
Yes, the president can declassify documents while in office, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.
WHAT WE FOUND
The U.S. classification system has three levels: top secret, secret and confidential.

“That is based on the level of damage that its release would cause to the national security of the United States,” Kel McClanahan, executive director of the National Security Counselors, said. “When you classify a document, that means that only people with a security clearance equal to the classification or higher can read it.”

A sitting U.S. president has wide-ranging authority to classify and declassify certain documents, but former presidents do not have authority over classification and declassification.

Current presidents can classify documents as long as they can “make a plausible argument that it is related to national security.” On the other hand, the president “doesn’t have to give any reason for declassifying” information, according to McClanahan.
“He can just say, ‘I decide that this should be declassified,’ and it’s declassified,” McClanahan said.

A 2009 executive order directs the head of a government agency that originally deemed information classified to oversee its declassification, and sets some rules for that process. But those protocols outlined in the executive order don’t apply to the president, McClanahan said.
However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.

First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained.

When documents are declassified, they are reviewed line-by-line. In many cases, certain words, sentences and paragraphs remain redacted, even if the document is declassified, Immerman said.

The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”

“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.

Though there aren’t specific protocols that the president must follow to declassify a document, federal courts have ruled that they will “refuse to recognize what they consider to be an inference of declassification,” McClanahan said.

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

If a document is declassified, that doesn’t automatically mean it can be shared widely, either. For example, nuclear information – which is generally classified – is also protected by the federal Atomic Energy Act of 1954, McClanahan explained.

The Washington Post reported the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for “nuclear documents,” among other classified information.
“Because [nuclear information] has this dual protection, even if you declassify a nuclear document, you cannot disseminate it because it’s still what’s called Restricted Data,” McClanahan said.

“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added.

There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified. Still, breaking those laws – or most other laws – doesn’t automatically disqualify someone from becoming president, because of the simple presidential qualifications that are outlined in the U.S. Constitution.

www.verifythis.com

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow
Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.
www.verifythis.com
 
An amusing point -- t's lawyers attempted to get the fully unredacted affidavit released, and now t supporter Kash Patel is upset because his name was exposed in the unredacted sections
 
Play it again...

Can the president declassify documents?
THE SOURCES
THE ANSWER
Yes, the president can declassify documents while in office, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow.
WHAT WE FOUND
The U.S. classification system has three levels: top secret, secret and confidential.

“That is based on the level of damage that its release would cause to the national security of the United States,” Kel McClanahan, executive director of the National Security Counselors, said. “When you classify a document, that means that only people with a security clearance equal to the classification or higher can read it.”

A sitting U.S. president has wide-ranging authority to classify and declassify certain documents, but former presidents do not have authority over classification and declassification.

Current presidents can classify documents as long as they can “make a plausible argument that it is related to national security.” On the other hand, the president “doesn’t have to give any reason for declassifying” information, according to McClanahan.
“He can just say, ‘I decide that this should be declassified,’ and it’s declassified,” McClanahan said.

A 2009 executive order directs the head of a government agency that originally deemed information classified to oversee its declassification, and sets some rules for that process. But those protocols outlined in the executive order don’t apply to the president, McClanahan said.
However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.

First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained.

When documents are declassified, they are reviewed line-by-line. In many cases, certain words, sentences and paragraphs remain redacted, even if the document is declassified, Immerman said.

The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”

“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.

Though there aren’t specific protocols that the president must follow to declassify a document, federal courts have ruled that they will “refuse to recognize what they consider to be an inference of declassification,” McClanahan said.

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

If a document is declassified, that doesn’t automatically mean it can be shared widely, either. For example, nuclear information – which is generally classified – is also protected by the federal Atomic Energy Act of 1954, McClanahan explained.

The Washington Post reported the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for “nuclear documents,” among other classified information.
“Because [nuclear information] has this dual protection, even if you declassify a nuclear document, you cannot disseminate it because it’s still what’s called Restricted Data,” McClanahan said.

“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added.

There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified. Still, breaking those laws – or most other laws – doesn’t automatically disqualify someone from becoming president, because of the simple presidential qualifications that are outlined in the U.S. Constitution.

www.verifythis.com

Yes, the president can declassify documents, but there isn’t a set protocol they have to follow
Former President Trump claimed documents found at Mar-a-Lago were “all declassified.” We explain why sitting presidents can declassify documents and how it works.
www.verifythis.com
OK, you have convinced me. T is a crook as shown by that explanation in several points.
 
Setting aside the fact that the dailybeast has a far left bias, I don't necessarily disagree with points 1-3; however, I have my doubts that he will be indicted for mishandling confidential information, much like the hearings, its mostly just made for tv drama.

His Georgia shenanigans are really what they should be pursuing criminally. I don't want him to be an option on the 2024 ballot, but I don't think we should throw due process aside.
You really do hate t. A bowl of Crow will be waiting for you someday. You are 100% brainwashed from the Tel A Vision. I quit TV almost three years. I quit eating meat three years ago. No jabs for Crush. I guess that makes me a MAGA Terrorist.....lol!
 
"When are the great Agents, and others, in the FBI going to say “we aren’t going to take it anymore,” much as they did when James Comey read off a list of all of Crooked Hillary Clinton’s crimes, only to say that no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute. The wonderful people of the FBI went absolutely “nuts,” so Comey had to backtrack and do a FAKE INVESTIGATION in order to keep them at bay. The end result, we won in 2016 (and did MUCH better in 2020!). But now the “Left” has lost their minds!!!" t
 
Wow, just talked with my old Lib Pal and it's official: He does not want to be my friend anymore because of my belief system. He say's he just doesn't want to hear my side anymore ((he's sick of me being right all the time)) and I don't blame him. Freaking fence sitter and one of the reasons were in this mess. He and others sit and do nothing!!! We both decided to go our separate ways and I think it's for the best. So many of you are bought it's disgusting and makes me sick and I wonder why I came to Planet Lie in the first place. These same assholes wanted me dead before I was born. They tried to brainwash me but I couldn't be bought, bribed or blackmailed. It's truly sad to see so many sell out for $$$$. I knew this day would happen and I feel so alone and sad. It hurts like hell and I feel so lonely and cast aside. People like Watty now want t arrested and charged with a crime, no matter what and it just wrong. One man standing in the way of their way of life. No due process for him and if they can do it to a President, they can do it any of us. On the fence types and he just jumped off and is with those who want t arrested. He flipped because he's losing money......
 
You all got TDS...lol!

"The Fake News Media is devastated by how well TRUTH is doing so, quite on cue, they are working overtime to criticize and demean it. Actually, many of the big guns in Washington, D.C., are fighting to stop the TRUTH but, they won’t be successful. They are going after the outside financial company, and virtually anybody that walks and breaths, but that won’t do it. They said it is doing worse since the Raid, but actually it is doing MUCH better, up more than 550%. We all love TRUTH!!!" t
 
OK, you have convinced me. T is a crook as shown by that explanation in several points.
Which explanations would you be referring to Magoo?
Please enlighten all us with your convictions...

PS
Magoo, who do think will be indicted first Hunter or Donald?
Maybe announce both of them being indicted at the same time?
 
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Which explanations would you be referring to Magoo?
Please enlighten all us with your convictions...

PS
Magoo, who do think will be indicted first Hunter or Donald?
Maybe announce both of them being indicted at the same time?
You posted it without reading it?
 
You posted it without reading it?
No....
You claimed you were convinced due to several points, "T is a crook as shown by that explanation in several points."
There were many points made in the article, which ones do you consider are the "points" that convinced you of his guilt?
Not a trick question...
 
No....
You claimed you were convinced due to several points, "T is a crook as shown by that explanation in several points."
There were many points made in the article, which ones do you consider are the "points" that convinced you of his guilt?
Not a trick question...
This part --

A 2009 executive order directs the head of a government agency that originally deemed information classified to oversee its declassification, and sets some rules for that process. But those protocols outlined in the executive order don’t apply to the president, McClanahan said.
However, presidents generally follow an informal protocol when declassifying documents, Richard Immerman, a historian and professor at Temple University, told VERIFY.

First, the president will consult all departments and agencies that have an interest in a classified document. Those departments or agencies then provide their assessment as to whether the document should stay classified for national security reasons. If there is a dispute among the agencies, they debate, but the president ultimately makes the decision on declassification, Immerman explained.

When documents are declassified, they are reviewed line-by-line. In many cases, certain words, sentences and paragraphs remain redacted, even if the document is declassified, Immerman said.

The Supreme Court determined in its 1988 decision on Department of the Navy v. Egan that the president’s power over classified information comes from executive authority granted by Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution, which says, in part, that the “President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States.”

“His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security and to determine whether an individual is sufficiently trustworthy to occupy a position in the Executive Branch that will give that person access to such information flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant,” the Supreme Court decision reads.

Though there aren’t specific protocols that the president must follow to declassify a document, federal courts have ruled that they will “refuse to recognize what they consider to be an inference of declassification,” McClanahan said.

The U.S. Second Circuit Court of Appeals wrote in a 2020 decision about whether statements made by then-President Trump declassified the existence of a CIA program that “declassification, even by the president, must follow established procedures.”

If a document is declassified, that doesn’t automatically mean it can be shared widely, either. For example, nuclear information – which is generally classified – is also protected by the federal Atomic Energy Act of 1954, McClanahan explained.

The Washington Post reported the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago for “nuclear documents,” among other classified information.
“Because [nuclear information] has this dual protection, even if you declassify a nuclear document, you cannot disseminate it because it’s still what’s called Restricted Data,” McClanahan said.

“So to the extent that he [Trump] had any nuclear information in there, declassification would not help him in the slightest, because he would still be disseminating restricted data or moving Restricted Data,” he added.

There are other federal laws in place that bar a president from taking government records, whether they are classified or declassified.
 
Another point has come up -- intelligence officials want to know in detail which documents might have been compromised in the Maralago trove so they can assess possible impacts to intelligence assets (spies, technology, military positioning, etc). It is unclear if such a list can be produced without compromising the DOJ case sure to come against t.
 
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