Surf cup controversy

If you really want to make GG’s head explode, point out the possible link between trans identification and estrogen mimics in baby bottles.


Basically, the current spike in transgender identification may be linked to all the hormone disruptors in the plastic around our kids. Avent in particular put a bunch of BPA in baby bottles about 20 years ago. The BPA is an estrogen mimic and leached into the milk the kids drank. Those kids are in high school and college now.

One more reason EU has it right with the precautionary principle. Don’t put that crap in products if you don’t know what it does.

Or, the increasing acceptance of these folks has allowed more to come out publicly. Have you seen the left-handed study?

Ya'll forgot to point to space lasers as a possible culprit.
 
Or, the increasing acceptance of these folks has allowed more to come out publicly. Have you seen the left-handed study?

Ya'll forgot to point to space lasers as a possible culprit.

Are you saying that BPA is not an estrogen mimic, or that you think estrogen mimics are safe for infant formula?

It is hard to imagine a quality leftist stepping up to defend chemicals in baby food, but here we are.
 
Are you saying that BPA is not an estrogen mimic, or that you think estrogen mimics are safe for infant formula?

It is hard to imagine a quality leftist stepping up to defend chemicals in baby food, but here we are.

I'm saying quack theories are quacky. That article linked is a joke. Just because the author supposedly has a PhD, doesn't make it true. The number of uses of "may", and other loaded statements in the article shows it is nothing more than an opEd, not a scientific paper...
 
I'm saying quack theories are quacky. That article linked is a joke. Just because the author supposedly has a PhD, doesn't make it true. The number of uses of "may", and other loaded statements in the article shows it is nothing more than an opEd, not a scientific paper...

You want a scientific paper? Here's one. You want the part on "role of endocrine disruptors" and plasticizers.


Or do your own research. You clearly know some trans kids. Were they bottle fed? (Breast pumped milk also counts as bottle fed, if the milk was warmed up in the BPA bottle.)
 
it may not be wrong in the eyes of the beholder but it goes against nature and evolution. God made male and female only not a trans gender. Trans is an error in the genetic code.

So you're saying nature and evolution wrote the soccer eligibility rulebook? Why is it that you think being trans is an error in the genetic code, rather than just a difference in the genetic code?
 
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no way Ecnl girl can ever match a boy so what is going to happen when they’re 13 and (she ) still wants to play with girls ? Will it be fair

Uh, trans girls have been playing in ECNL for years without any problems. If your daughter is so terrible that she can't cope with a trans player, there is always rec.
 
So you're saying nature and evolution wrote the soccer eligibility rulebook? Why is it that you think being trans is an error in the genetic code, rather than just a difference in the genetic code?

Because it goes against nature and what biology naturally produces, male and female. if the difference in the genetic code was normal then we would have as many trans people as there are males or females. All these new gender types are all woke diction. They are not natural to the evolutionary process. If it were then there would be a natural way to reproduce these genders.
 
Because it goes against nature and what biology naturally produces, male and female. if the difference in the genetic code was normal then we would have as many trans people as there are males or females. All these new gender types are all woke diction. They are not natural to the evolutionary process. If it were then there would be a natural way to reproduce these genders.

I see. So having red hair is an error in the genetic code also? Having green eyes? Being left handed? And, uh, there is clearly a "natural way" to reproduce transgender people, which is for two people to have sex, which then produces a trans person. Just like two brunettes creating a ginger.

Your last formal education in genetics was obviously the D+ your HS biology teacher gave you just so he wouldn't have to see your clueless arse again the following year.
 
it may not be wrong in the eyes of the beholder but it goes against nature and evolution. God made male and female only not a trans gender. Trans is an error in the genetic code.

So Darwin, god only creates people with genetic codes the way you like them? So, if god didn't make transgender people, who did? Is there a second god? Did god create children with down syndrome? Sickle cell anemia? Did he create gay people, or did the other god do that too? Only 16% of the world's population is black. Is that a genetic error also? If nature can't produce trans people, why do trans people keep being produced?

Is there such a thing as biblical geneticism? Did you learn "genetics" in bible study?
 
I see. So having red hair is an error in the genetic code also? Having green eyes? Being left handed? And, uh, there is clearly a "natural way" to reproduce transgender people, which is for two people to have sex, which then produces a trans person. Just like two brunettes creating a ginger.

Your last formal education in genetics was obviously the D+ your HS biology teacher gave you just so he wouldn't have to see your clueless arse again the following year.

I'm honestly surprised this caveman (SoccerSpoulir, not you) even knew how to spell the word evolution, as he certainly doesn’t know what it means. Or he does, and doesn’t really believe in it though, right?
 
I'm honestly surprised this caveman (SoccerSpoulir, not you) even knew how to spell the word evolution, as he certainly doesn’t know what it means. Or he does, and doesn’t really believe in it though, right?

I have no idea how someone can honestly claim god made man and women while trying to explain how evolution words. But it seem clear that someone who believes "on faith" in an all powerful perfect and being in the sky will believe anything.
 
I have no idea how someone can honestly claim god made man and women while trying to explain how evolution words. But it seem clear that someone who believes "on faith" in an all powerful perfect and being in the sky will believe anything.

red hair green eyes all those things are diversity within the genetic code. Same way dogs and cats are different color. So if a human was born with no legs, wouldn’t that be an error in the genetic code? Yes. It’s not natural to the nature of a human being. transsexuals born with the wrong sexual organs are also an error in the genetic code. If you are born with male genitalia but you feel like you are a woman then something went wrong. It’s either that or it’s mental illness. transgender, gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, two-spirit, third gender, and all, none or a combination of these. Silliness… Woke people who are mentally disturbed is what this is.

To make another human being all you need is the dna of a man and a woman. A binary and a Trans cannot make another human being. When you have someone who is stuck in the wrong body and wants to change their sex then it’s an error in the genetic code or possibly mental illness. Something went wrong during birth or they experienced some traumatic event in their life. That’s not natural. Wether you believe in God or evolution is not the point. The point is that there are only 2 genders. Male or female. And you need only a male and a female to make another human being. Anything else is an error in the genetic code. There are clues clues within this universe that there is a duality to all things. Good or Bad. Yes and No. day and night.
+ and - true or false. Male or female. Case closed
 
red hair green eyes all those things are diversity within the genetic code. Same way dogs and cats are different color. So if a human was born with no legs, wouldn’t that be an error in the genetic code? Yes. It’s not natural to the nature of a human being. transsexuals born with the wrong sexual organs are also an error in the genetic code. If you are born with male genitalia but you feel like you are a woman then something went wrong. It’s either that or it’s mental illness. transgender, gender neutral, non-binary, agender, pangender, genderqueer, two-spirit, third gender, and all, none or a combination of these. Silliness… Woke people who are mentally disturbed is what this is.

To make another human being all you need is the dna of a man and a woman. A binary and a Trans cannot make another human being. When you have someone who is stuck in the wrong body and wants to change their sex then it’s an error in the genetic code or possibly mental illness. Something went wrong during birth or they experienced some traumatic event in their life. That’s not natural. Wether you believe in God or evolution is not the point. The point is that there are only 2 genders. Male or female. And you need only a male and a female to make another human being. Anything else is an error in the genetic code. There are clues clues within this universe that there is a duality to all things. Good or Bad. Yes and No. day and night.
+ and - true or false. Male or female. Case closed

You are conflating genetic differences with "right and wrong". The only reason you are ok with green eyes, but not transgender status, is you've rationalized that one is due to "diversity" and the other is "wrong", when the reality is they're both due to diversity. Idiots like you made the same bs argument about left-handed people being "wrong" too, and that is indefensible for the same reason.

Honestly, it's crazy that you think a transgender woman cannot make another human being, but that's not surprising since transphobes like you are so sexually repressed that you don't understand the difference between sexual orientation and gender identity. Let me give you a quick education in terminology you can understand. Gender identity is someone's internal sense of being and has nothing to do with where they want to stick their genitalia. Sexual orientation, on the other hand, is the latter. In short, transgender people have all the tools necessary to make it happen in the way that you want babies to be made "naturally", especially if they're a transgender woman who likes other women or a trans man who is into other men.

If you're bitter about people who don't want to reproduce your way, your real beef is with gay people who, although they too are perfectly capable of putting parts where you would prefer (and sometimes do), don't typically make babies the way you would like. I couldn't help notice, however, that you excluded them from your laundry list of people you hate as "unnatural", suffering form genetic "error" and possibly "mental illness". Is that because there are so many of them that it looks a lot like "genetic diversity" instead of "error" and undermines your ridiculous bs genetics nonsense? Or did you leave them off your hate list because you're chicken to voice an offensive bs opinion about such a large part of the population? C'mon, I know you want to say that being gay is also wrong and an "error" in the genetic code and "possibly mental illness", so just be a "man" and say it.

And what's your problem with non-binary? Why is it a genetic "error" for a biological dude to like bjs from both men and women, but it's perfectly fine if they only get them from the ladies? Or is everyone who likes bjs also suffering from a genetic "error" because they like something that isn't reproductive sex? Is it ok if a dude puts where the sun don't shine with a woman, or is it only a genetic "error" when it's another guy? Can you please explain to us exactly which sex acts are ok and which are the result of "genetic error" Mr. Darwin?
 
if the difference in the genetic code was normal then we would have as many trans people as there are males or females.

I could make the same argument about red hair.

I mean, there aren't many gingers out there. What more proof do you need of their degeneracy?
 
You are conflating genetic differences with "right and wrong". The only reason you are ok with green eyes, but not transgender status, is you've rationalized that one is due to "diversity" and the other is "wrong", when the reality is they're both due to diversity. Idiots like you made the same bs argument about left-handed people being "wrong" too, and that is indefensible for the same reason.

Honestly, it's crazy that you think a transgender woman cannot make another human being, but that's not surprising since transphobes like you are so sexually repressed that you don't understand the difference between sexual orientation and gender identity. Let me give you a quick education in terminology you can understand. Gender identity is someone's internal sense of being and has nothing to do with where they want to stick their genitalia. Sexual orientation, on the other hand, is the latter. In short, transgender people have all the tools necessary to make it happen in the way that you want babies to be made "naturally", especially if they're a transgender woman who likes other women or a trans man who is into other men.

If you're bitter about people who don't want to reproduce your way, your real beef is with gay people who, although they too are perfectly capable of putting parts where you would prefer (and sometimes do), don't typically make babies the way you would like. I couldn't help notice, however, that you excluded them from your laundry list of people you hate as "unnatural", suffering form genetic "error" and possibly "mental illness". Is that because there are so many of them that it looks a lot like "genetic diversity" instead of "error" and undermines your ridiculous bs genetics nonsense? Or did you leave them off your hate list because you're chicken to voice an offensive bs opinion about such a large part of the population? C'mon, I know you want to say that being gay is also wrong and an "error" in the genetic code and "possibly mental illness", so just be a "man" and say it.

And what's your problem with non-binary? Why is it a genetic "error" for a biological dude to like bjs from both men and women, but it's perfectly fine if they only get them from the ladies? Or is everyone who likes bjs also suffering from a genetic "error" because they like something that isn't reproductive sex? Is it ok if a dude puts where the sun don't shine with a woman, or is it only a genetic "error" when it's another guy? Can you please explain to us exactly which sex acts are ok and which are the result of "genetic error" Mr. Darwin?
oh gawd sweetie, you are so confused but yet are able to weave such masterful sentences that don't say anything but reads like a lot. Tell me again the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation? I suppose you skipped science and biology when they talked about sex....it's possible.

Explain to me how someone without a uterus can have: a baby, a period? And please spare me, transwomen can certainly have PMS and PMDD, the science is pretty clear when it comes to hormone treatment. But having a baby without a uterus is nearly impossible...it's impossible without the other woman bits. I suspect you'll be feverishly using the google.
 
I could make the same argument about red hair.

I mean, there aren't many gingers out there. What more proof do you need of their degeneracy?

true about red hair. @GoldenGate must not be male nor female in its mind. The only thing I’m arguing here is that there is only 2 cases for what biology suppose to do when it comes to mammals. Create a male or a female. That’s it. Every other one of those genders mentioned is a modern invention by man to distort reality in this new woke society. It’s an illusion of the mind to make woke people feel normal I guess. They can think what they want to think but in the majority of sane people’s minds they are male or female. I think it’s ridiculous to teach this extra gender BS to children. It can really damage their minds.
 
oh gawd sweetie, you are so confused but yet are able to weave such masterful sentences that don't say anything but reads like a lot. Tell me again the difference between gender identity and sexual orientation? I suppose you skipped science and biology when they talked about sex....it's possible.

Explain to me how someone without a uterus can have: a baby, a period? And please spare me, transwomen can certainly have PMS and PMDD, the science is pretty clear when it comes to hormone treatment. But having a baby without a uterus is nearly impossible...it's impossible without the other woman bits. I suspect you'll be feverishly using the google.

What does this uterus nonsense have to do with your buddy's argument that being trans is a genetic "error" but being a ginger is just genetic "diversity"?

The reason my sentences are masterful is because they're the truth and you have nothing to say in response, so you just change the subject. Why is it that you hate trans people so much? Your buddy is worried that they'll damage your child's mind? Is that what your real fear is? They'll make her a sexual deviant? Or just that she'll learn that trans people aren't scary like her scared little daddy keeps telling her, and that daddy's religion is such bs?
 
Suppose we met a race of creatures—fairly clearly non-rational animals—that was very different from us: on Mars, say. And the question arises: are these creatures sexed? and if so, can we distinguish male and female? We need to think now how we would go about finding out these answers. We would not do it by investigating their psyches, nor even merely by just looking at (or cutting up) individuals. We would try to find out how they reproduced and what was the role of the different organs of the different individuals involved in reproduction. Thus, sex is a biological and teleological notion. Anything else which is called sexual is so called ultimately because it has some relation to this process, to these organs.

If we observe that the members of a species reproduce asexually, then we rightly conclude that neither male nor female exist in that species. But if we observe that two are required for reproduction to occur, we rightly conclude that the species reproduces sexually by the union of the two. We name these two types differently—as male and female—based upon the roles they play in reproduction. Such is why Aquinas held to a binary account of sex: “The distinction of the sexes is ordained in animals to the generation which occurs through coitus.” If human beings had no ordering to reproduction, or no sexual reproduction occurred, not only would one have no concept of gender, there would be no biological sex in human beings.

There, thus, can only be two biological sexes for human beings. In syllogistic form, what I am arguing is this:

  1. Biological sex is defined in relation to the roles played in sexual reproduction.
  2. Sexual reproduction involves only two, namely, male and female.
  3. Thus, biological sex is only two, namely, male or female.
Defects occur in nature, but defects imply a norm from which they deflect. A castrated man is still a male; a female with a mastectomy is still a female. The fact that one is born with ambiguous genitalia does not do away with one’s true sex. That it is hard to identify someone as male or female does not mean one is neither. Identical twins are hard to distinguish, but they are still distinct persons. Epistemological problems need not entail ontological ones.

Consider the case of plants that reproduce sexually. When we discover a plant missing parts of its sexual organs, we do not thereby conclude that we have discovered a third sex. Rather biologists rightly concur that what you have found is a defective plant. Likewise, in human beings, when one has an extra chromosome, or defective genitalia, you have just that: a sexual defect at the physical level. Such people often are wonderful, loving, and morally upright persons, but physically something has gone wrong.

Hermaphrodites are individuals with both pairs of sex organs. While in very rare cases some human beings have both pairs of genitalia, in no case whatsoever has it ever been observed that both pairs are fully functioning. True human hermaphrodites with both male and female sexual organs that fully function don’t exist. Such is why no cases of self-fertilization have ever been recorded in human beings.

Even if we did discover an individual human being with both pairs of fully functioning sex organs, such a case would not disprove the binary distinction. What you would have is someone who is both male and female; one who is able to act either as male or female depending upon the other sex with which that individual desired to reproduce. Hermaphroditism, rather than disproving the traditional binary distinction, actually reinforces it. We would not even know hermaphrodites existed, let alone be able to speak of them, unless we knew of the male-female binary.

Differentiating Potencies

How we fundamentally distinguish male and female then is based upon the two biological roles in reproduction. A human individual that has the basic capacity to reproduce with the female is biologically and truly a male. A human individual that has the basic capacity to reproduce with a male is biologically and truly a female. Male and female are defined in reference to each other, which is why they are correlative terms.
 
For the sake of argument, let us grant that it might be physically possible for a female to have a complete sex change operation that she had a fully functioning male genitalia, male hormones, and male chromosomes that were fully integrated into her body. In this case she would cease to be female, but become a male. Even if complete sex change operations were possible (which they will most likely never be), such operations would be no argument against the traditional binary distinction. In such a case, the woman would not become a third sex; she would cease to be female and become a male.

Given that human beings reproduce sexually, they are biologically either only male or female. Men are men, and women are women. True hermaphrodites with fully functioning sexual organs do not exist in human beings. There is no third gender or any of these other nonsense woke terms
 
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What does this uterus nonsense have to do with your buddy's argument that being trans is a genetic "error" but being a ginger is just genetic "diversity"?

The reason my sentences are masterful is because they're the truth and you have nothing to say in response, so you just change the subject. Why is it that you hate trans people so much? Your buddy is worried that they'll damage your child's mind? Is that what your real fear is? They'll make her a sexual deviant? Or just that she'll learn that trans people aren't scary like her scared little daddy keeps telling her, and that daddy's religion is such bs?

Talk to me about this statement below. And your nonsensical accusations of transphobia are tiresome. Oh, and...you completely miffed it..I was making fun of your "masterful" prose...but I figured you may have gotten a little excited about some positivity.

quickly now, talk to me about your statement below. Popcorn in hand and text books open. And please give me the correct context and no gibberish about gender and orientation..this is straight up biology. We'll eventually circle back and talk about surf cup or whatever else was being discussed.

"Honestly, it's crazy that you think a transgender woman cannot make another human being, but that's not surprising since transphobes like you are so sexually repressed that you don't understand the difference between sexual orientation and gender identity"
 
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