"We the People..."

watfly said:
I'm agnostic and think in many cases organized religion is a complete load of BS. However, how does someone taking a knee for their "god" impact you? Heads up, it doesn't in the slightest and I don't know why you feel so threatened by it. Whether you take a knee for a "god" or the flag doesn't impact me at all, although it does tell me a lot about you.

Do you support the right of an athlete to take a knee for our anthem or for the flag? If you do, how do you rationalize the hypocrisy?
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I'm not agnostic, and it doesn't impact me, as I've said later in this thread. That's not the point.

Making a political statement versus a religious statement is completely different, there's no hypocrisy in agreeing with one and not the other or agreeing with both or neither.

Fwiw, imv, God knows the sincerity of the prayer. Anyone who thinks the location has any importance misses the point.
 
whatithink said:
I'm not agnostic, and it doesn't impact me, as I've said later in this thread. That's not the point.

Making a political statement versus a religious statement is completely different, there's no hypocrisy in agreeing with one and not the other or agreeing with both or neither.

Fwiw, imv, God knows the sincerity of the prayer. Anyone who thinks the location has any importance misses the point.
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So effectively you believe that free speech is in some cases dependent on whether its political or religious speech? Got it. I'm a free speech absolutist so I disagree. Who should we put in charge of which "speech" is appropriate if not the Supreme Court?
 
watfly said:
So effectively you believe that free speech is in some cases dependent on whether its political or religious speech? Got it. I'm a free speech absolutist so I disagree. Who should we put in charge of which "speech" is appropriate if not the Supreme Court?
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I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
 
whatithink said:
I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
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So no burkas and hijabs for teachers or administrators?
 
whatithink said:
I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
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He prayed alone and some players eventually joined him. That's hardly coercion and there were not any repercussions for players that didn't pray. It happens every friday night at many public schools across the country during HS football season. No harm no foul, until someone becomes offended that it doesn't even impact. Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right not to be offended?

So who should make these decisions if not the Supreme Court? The Disinformation Governance Board?
 
watfly said:
He prayed alone and some players eventually joined him. That's hardly coercion and there were not any repercussions for players that didn't pray. It happens every friday night at many public schools across the country during HS football season. No harm no foul, until someone becomes offended that it doesn't even impact. Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right not to be offended?

So who should make these decisions if not the Supreme Court? The Disinformation Governance Board?
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If you isolate yourself from the facts, you will end up looking like a sucker, just like LE did.
 
watfly said:
He prayed alone and some players eventually joined him. That's hardly coercion and there were not any repercussions for players that didn't pray. It happens every friday night at many public schools across the country during HS football season. No harm no foul, until someone becomes offended that it doesn't even impact. Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right not to be offended?

So who should make these decisions if not the Supreme Court? The Disinformation Governance Board?
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He wasn't praying alone. There were complaints that players felt they had to participate. Neither of those sentences are disinformation.
 
“It is my sincerest wish to all of those in this courtroom...that this day brings a terrible chapter to an end...May this day help you travel from darkness into the LIGHT.” — Ghislaine Maxwell
 
whatithink said:
Gorsuch literally dismissed photographic evidence that it wasn't "just" the coach kneeling silently but rather it was the coach leading players (kids) and adults in prayer. Gorsuch was very selective to (purposefully) get to his (intended) conclusion.
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Well that's not what the record and the ruling says...

The contested exercise here does not involve leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students after three games in October 2015
 
espola said:
If you isolate yourself from the facts, you will end up looking like a sucker, just like LE did.
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If your a pompous ass and ignore what is printed in the ruling you will look like the pompous ass Magoo...

The contested exercise here does not involve leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students after three games in October 2015
 
whatithink said:
I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
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On a knee alone away from others, just who is he evangelizing to? When he lost his job it became a big deal.
Not that it matters, but what law school did you attend? Who are you judge anyone? Seven deadly sins indeed.
 
whatithink said:
He wasn't praying alone. There were complaints that players felt they had to participate. Neither of those sentences are disinformation.
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What were the repercussions for not praying? If were going to make freedom of speech decisions based on how it makes people "feel" we're in big trouble and again who should be delegated that responsibility to determine what speech should be restricted because it made someone feel a certain way.

Just FYI the school district rule is the following: Its illegal and unethical for public school employees to coerce, pressure, persuade, or force students, players, staff, or other participants to engage in any religious practice as a condition of playing, employment, belonging, or participation.

Again what conditions did he impose on a player for not praying?
 
Lion Eyes said:
Next time a guy is trying to climb between a womens legs, she should keep her knees together....
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Were you drunk when you wrote this? Are you trying to be an asshole or is this just some genetic disposition? Do you have friends? family? Really curious about the type of human that could write crap like this. I want to believe you're not a piece of garbage...but those words you wrote certainly make you look like a sewer dweller.
 
NorCalDad said:
Were you drunk when you wrote this? Are you trying to be an asshole or is this just some genetic disposition? Do you have friends? family? Really curious about the type of human that could write crap like this. I want to believe you're not a piece of garbage...but those words you wrote certainly make you look like a sewer dweller.
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I take you haven't read many of LE's posts here.
 
NorCalDad said:
Were you drunk when you wrote this? Are you trying to be an asshole or is this just some genetic disposition? Do you have friends? family? Really curious about the type of human that could write crap like this. I want to believe you're not a piece of garbage...but those words you wrote certainly make you look like a sewer dweller.
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Takes a sewer dweller to know a sewer dweller... I responded to a post by Magoo regarding taking a knee...
What I posted was tongue in cheek...so please don't worry about me Daddy. I have wonderful friends and a very loving family.
What was/is so offensive about keeping ones knees together?
 
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