"We the People..."

whatithink said:
Its a really stupid ruling imv. Now any coach, or player, can decide to "pray" to any God or all Gods, or anyone they think could be a God, or not a God, on the halfway line at the end of a game. This should be fun. I wonder if he had been a Satanist, would SCOTUS have found in his favor - or if he had been an Imam coaching on the side, but who whipped out his prayer mat, pointed East and thanked Allah (silently), but with players, if they wanted to join in. I'm not so sure.

Thankfully, both the Satanist and Imam and Wiccan Witch and anyone else, can all now feel free to do so.

Stupidity.
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I'm agnostic and think in many cases organized religion is a complete load of BS. However, how does someone taking a knee for their "god" impact you? Heads up, it doesn't in the slightest and I don't know why you feel so threatened by it. Whether you take a knee for a "god" or the flag doesn't impact me at all, although it does tell me a lot about you.

Do you support the right of an athlete to take a knee for our anthem or for the flag? If you do, how do you rationalize the hypocrisy?
 
Lion Eyes said:
You mean the entire SCOTUS lied...to believe such nonsense you would have to be the sucker...or Ian Millhiser
Prove what you claim Magoo...can't wait to read this horseshit.
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As for "the entire SCOTUS" -- I must presume that you didn't read the published opinion after page 40 of the document you linked.
 
watfly said:
I'm agnostic and think in many cases organized religion is a complete load of BS. However, how does someone taking a knee for their "god" impact you? Heads up, it doesn't in the slightest and I don't know why you feel so threatened by it. Whether you take a knee for a "god" or the flag doesn't impact me at all, although it does tell me a lot about you.

Do you support the right of an athlete to take a knee for our anthem or for the flag? If you do, how do you rationalize the hypocrisy?
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That bears almost no resemblance to this case. LE posted the link to the published opinion -- I urge you to read the whole thing and not just the parts he liked.
 
whatithink said:
Gorsuch literally dismissed photographic evidence that it wasn't "just" the coach kneeling silently but rather it was the coach leading players (kids) and adults in prayer. Gorsuch was very selective to (purposefully) get to his (intended) conclusion.
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LE likes to think that when he posts "Period." that then everyone must now agree with him, no matter how many times he has looked like a fool for doing so.
 
watfly said:
I'm agnostic and think in many cases organized religion is a complete load of BS. However, how does someone taking a knee for their "god" impact you? Heads up, it doesn't in the slightest and I don't know why you feel so threatened by it. Whether you take a knee for a "god" or the flag doesn't impact me at all, although it does tell me a lot about you.

Do you support the right of an athlete to take a knee for our anthem or for the flag? If you do, how do you rationalize the hypocrisy?
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I'm not agnostic, and it doesn't impact me, as I've said later in this thread. That's not the point.

Making a political statement versus a religious statement is completely different, there's no hypocrisy in agreeing with one and not the other or agreeing with both or neither.

Fwiw, imv, God knows the sincerity of the prayer. Anyone who thinks the location has any importance misses the point.
 
whatithink said:
I'm not agnostic, and it doesn't impact me, as I've said later in this thread. That's not the point.

Making a political statement versus a religious statement is completely different, there's no hypocrisy in agreeing with one and not the other or agreeing with both or neither.

Fwiw, imv, God knows the sincerity of the prayer. Anyone who thinks the location has any importance misses the point.
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So effectively you believe that free speech is in some cases dependent on whether its political or religious speech? Got it. I'm a free speech absolutist so I disagree. Who should we put in charge of which "speech" is appropriate if not the Supreme Court?
 
watfly said:
So effectively you believe that free speech is in some cases dependent on whether its political or religious speech? Got it. I'm a free speech absolutist so I disagree. Who should we put in charge of which "speech" is appropriate if not the Supreme Court?
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I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
 
whatithink said:
I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
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So no burkas and hijabs for teachers or administrators?
 
whatithink said:
I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
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He prayed alone and some players eventually joined him. That's hardly coercion and there were not any repercussions for players that didn't pray. It happens every friday night at many public schools across the country during HS football season. No harm no foul, until someone becomes offended that it doesn't even impact. Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right not to be offended?

So who should make these decisions if not the Supreme Court? The Disinformation Governance Board?
 
watfly said:
He prayed alone and some players eventually joined him. That's hardly coercion and there were not any repercussions for players that didn't pray. It happens every friday night at many public schools across the country during HS football season. No harm no foul, until someone becomes offended that it doesn't even impact. Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right not to be offended?

So who should make these decisions if not the Supreme Court? The Disinformation Governance Board?
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If you isolate yourself from the facts, you will end up looking like a sucker, just like LE did.
 
watfly said:
He prayed alone and some players eventually joined him. That's hardly coercion and there were not any repercussions for players that didn't pray. It happens every friday night at many public schools across the country during HS football season. No harm no foul, until someone becomes offended that it doesn't even impact. Where in the Constitution does it say you have a right not to be offended?

So who should make these decisions if not the Supreme Court? The Disinformation Governance Board?
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He wasn't praying alone. There were complaints that players felt they had to participate. Neither of those sentences are disinformation.
 
“It is my sincerest wish to all of those in this courtroom...that this day brings a terrible chapter to an end...May this day help you travel from darkness into the LIGHT.” — Ghislaine Maxwell
 
whatithink said:
Gorsuch literally dismissed photographic evidence that it wasn't "just" the coach kneeling silently but rather it was the coach leading players (kids) and adults in prayer. Gorsuch was very selective to (purposefully) get to his (intended) conclusion.
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Well that's not what the record and the ruling says...

The contested exercise here does not involve leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students after three games in October 2015
 
espola said:
If you isolate yourself from the facts, you will end up looking like a sucker, just like LE did.
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If your a pompous ass and ignore what is printed in the ruling you will look like the pompous ass Magoo...

The contested exercise here does not involve leading prayers with the team; the District disciplined Mr. Kennedy only for his decision to persist in praying quietly without his students after three games in October 2015
 
whatithink said:
I believe religion has no place in government - separation, like it says in the constitution. A public school should not allow religious evangelizing from a person in a position of authority/power over kids. This was not just one coach kneeling by himself for a moment, on the field, at the end of games. For the coach to feel that he had to go there and had to make a big deal out of his quiet moment of prayer at the end of a game ... well he needs to have a read up on the "seven deadly sins", reflect and decide what he actually believes in, imv.

I also believe in free speech, but it isn't absolute. I also believe in freedom to worship as you want, if you want, or if you don't want.
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On a knee alone away from others, just who is he evangelizing to? When he lost his job it became a big deal.
Not that it matters, but what law school did you attend? Who are you judge anyone? Seven deadly sins indeed.
 
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