Not really because Ukraine has zero to do with the Supply Chain crisis.
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Can you explain the reasons we need to protect Ukraine besides the obvious? I'm not that well versed on Russian History.
We will never know if there was a mask shortage back then.
Unless, of course, we bother to remember news stories of doctors and nurses being told to re-use old masks. Or talk to hospital procurement managers. Or do a Google search.
But that's too much work, right?
Agree particularly the good crunch out of China and electronic/chips. It's going to make certain things worse though (like the gas prices, certain rare earths, timber and [wait for it].....fertilizer.....because the US doesn't like to use human derived fertilizer we rely very heavily on cheap Russian fertilizer....food prices and shortage will be impacted for some time and the supply chain recovery will be delayed as a result)
We had PPE shortage because the Obama administration didn't replenish the National Stockpile for what they used. Now should Trump have done something about it, probably, but we have a rule in our house, whoever uses it, replaces it.
I'll give you the pros and cons:
If we don't protect the Ukraine the argument will go that Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania will have issues too because they have Russian minorities as well. They are NATO members. If we don't stand up now, Putin will see we are unserious and invade then, at a time when nuclear protection is trigger due to the NATO charter. (Interestingly, there's a mockumentary where a British news event chronicles a ficticious Russian invasion of Estonia which ends in a global nuclear exchange....very realistic...scary stuff....I'm much more worried about this possibility than I am about climate change or even the cylons....I posted it a few months back but you can youtube google it). Putin's stated policy is that he wants to rebuild the Russian Empire and thinks it was a mistake for the soviet Union to break up (which also puts Finland and Sweden who are not NATO members in the cross hairs). The Ukrainians are a separate and distinct people with a developing culture and separate nonorthodox religion.
The cons were mostly clearly outlined by Tulsi is a recent address. The Ukraine is not a democracy....it is a kleptocracy which is corrupt and part of the reason we may be doing this is because of the corruption between Ukraine and certain US officials. The Russians have a legitimate concern about self determination. The US is not the world's police men. We gave the Russians certain assurances under the table when Germany reunited and the Soviets left eastern Europe and now NATO is being pushed deep into the Russian hinterland (near the lands where Germany pushed the Russians at Stalingrad) and how would we feel if Mexico joined the Chinese Axis and China stationed a bunch of troops on the Mexican border.
Excellent feed back. You know your stuff, that's for sure and I like the fact that you give both sides. I think we should let Russia deal with Kiev. Would you want your dd or ds over there dealing with that hot mess? We have enough problems with our own country. It's 100% blame it on Ukraine and I feel super sick today. Depressed sort of because of all the pals I lost the last 3 years. Today has been tough on me emotionally. I got in a big debate ((go figure)) with old pal again and it went South. He won;t talk Jab anymore and now all he wants to talk about is this bully Putin and how he and t stole the election form HRC in 2016. Then I heard another story of somebody who got both legs chopped off because of clots. Then.......you know what Grace T? I'm seriously done with all this. My time has come to finally leave once and for all. The talk today with a very smart man has me convinced that he really wants communism and I'm not joking. He is a wealthy rich snob and wants everyone to get jabbed and be a part of Metaverse. Today is 100% my last day at the forum. No one has my back on here at all. My life coach told me to get out of here and it low energy and she is right. Goodbye once and for all. I swear I warned everyone on here about what this is all about and YOU will ALL see soon. I love you all and goodbye my brothers and sisters. It pains me to leave once and for good.....lol! Bahhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaa GOAT FC Rules!!!!
what-happened
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It's impossible to have a nuanced conversation with someone like you. Nuance escapes you.
Plenty of reasons that drive the approx 3000 or so health care workers that we think died during the early days. Most were nurses and support personnel. Many were born outside of the US. Hospital system and federal policy can be equally blamed for lack of a coherent policy for the use of PPE. Your "procurement managers" also share some blame in hoarding resources. We can go on and on with the blame game. Here is a summary - 2020 was f-up. Blame everyone. Also, don't neccessarily believe what was ground truth in 2020...sciency things tend to change. Also admit government entities are sketchy and don't have you in their best interest, especially when they are struggling to understand the problem.
what-happened
GOLD
We will also look back and see how partisan politics killed people. playing politics with health care has long term downstream effects. Vaccine initially bad then vaccine good. Imagine if politicians hadn't integrated vaccines into their political attacks during an election year. Imagine if health care leaders would have stayed out of the limelight and just done their job.
Politics, agendas, $$$. Disproportionate negative outcomes for certain demographics in our country.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
The TRUTH is coming out.
The answer to COVID-19, a " Virus ", was a very deadly
set of Vaccines that were just a conduit to a Global
Financial Reset/Population reduction program that
involves your 3x6 security blanket you treasure.
The answer to COVID-19, a " Virus ", was a very deadly
set of Vaccines that were just a conduit to a Global
Financial Reset/Population reduction program that
involves your 3x6 security blanket you treasure.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Truth will always prevail.
Highly acclaimed peer-reviewed Bangladesh study shows that masks don't work at all
Highly acclaimed peer-reviewed Bangladesh study shows that masks don't work at all (substack.com)
Highly acclaimed peer-reviewed Bangladesh study shows that masks don't work at all
Highly acclaimed peer-reviewed Bangladesh study shows that masks don't work at all (substack.com)
The bigger problem is if we have a pandemic in the future that is actually dangerous to all demographics. The mistrust of government from this pandemic is so high that the public may not comply with effective, good faith restrictions and mandates. Of course, the government continues to foster mistrust with the CDC's decision to withhold information that isn't favorable to their narrative.
So, your point is that hospitals were hoarding PPE. Fair enough.
In other words, it was reasonable to worry that private individuals would also hoard PPE. The NIH concern was valid. Me-first types would buy up N95 masks and worsen any supply problems.
Might want to check the qualifications on your source. His own alma mater refers to him as a “misinformation superspreader”.
This tech millionaire went from covid trial funder to misinformation superspreader
After boosting unproven covid drugs and campaigning against vaccines, Steve Kirsch was abandoned by his team of scientific advisers—and left out of a job.
www.technologyreview.com
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
Embalmers are finding what the CDC/WHO/NIH already KNOW!!!!
Embalmers Find Veins And Arteries Filled With Never Before Seen Rubbery Clots by Dr. Jane Ruby. (rumble.com)
Embalmers Find Veins And Arteries Filled With Never Before Seen Rubbery Clots by Dr. Jane Ruby. (rumble.com)
GoldenGate
GOLD
Here you go anti-vaxxers. The new conspiracy theory is hot off the presses. The government is trying to kill you with fatal vaccines in order to reset/reduce world population, and social media is covering it up. That makes so much more sense than just not funding a vaccine, letting people die of Covid and blaming China for it creating a deadly virus in a lab. But I guess that doesn't work since you also have a conspiracy theory that no one is dying of Covid, but they're really dying from gunshots and in motorcycle accidents "with" Covid. Except on Fridays, which are xenophobia day awhen you claim the real conspiracy is that China is responsible for everything bad, including creating a fatal virus in a lab and also that Eileen Gu is a traitor and you're a patriot because you once bought a pair of shoes made in Spain.
I am shocked, absolutely shocked about the complete silence from the other anti-vaxxer loons who are at least trying to establish a pretense of legitimacy. But here you go watfly and grace equestrian. These are your people. This clown, crush and micshitforbrains relying on a Bangladesh study. That is your brain trust.
what-happened
GOLD
There you go again. yes, all of this can be true, and it likely was. What is your point? are you going to say next that hoarding PPE cost 900K lives.
whatithink
GOLD
To add to this, Putin said, “the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century”. He also said, “Anyone who doesn’t regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains.”
I think you are correct that guarantees were given, by the US mainly, that have not been upheld.
This article (and yes, its the Guardian) frames a lot of this and lays out a perspective that's different to a lot of the "Putin bad only" narrative.
I'm certainly no fan of Putin or his actions but there's nothing black & white here.
Ukraine is stuck in the middle, and I would expect they are cursing giving up all those nukes they had.
GoldenGate
GOLD
Shoot, I forgot to include the guy with the intentionally racist name as one of the conspiracy theory nutters:
GoldenGate
GOLD
I totally want to play this game of trying to create the most ridiculous possible conspiracy theory. Let's give it a try:
Ok, so the government imposed mask mandates knowing they're unnecessary because it's true goal is to control people. It starts simple with masks, but before you know it they'll be taking our guns and then all of our liberties. Oh wait, that one is taken? What about putting anyone who resists into secret Nazi-style concentration camps? Who on earth would make up something that crazy?
How about China made Covid in a lab as part of a conspiracy to to kill people in the west? Also taken?
I'm sure no one has claimed yet that no one is really dying of Covid, it's just people dying from gunshots and in motorcycle accidents being used as a cover for a conspiracy between the government and pharmaceut... What, also taken?
Ok, how about China made it in a lab but it isn't really deadly. Rather, Dr. Fauci paid for it as part of a false flag operation on behalf of the US government, so it could then create a secret formula to kill people slowly as part of its effort to reduce the current population and replace them with illegal aliens. In fact, the illegal aliens are part of the conspiracy, and never mind that I said it isn't fatal, because actually it is fatal if an illegal alien has it, but not to the illegals who are invading the country. Really it's just fatal to people in the old folks homes that the illegals are invading, so I don't need to worry about it and can feel free to hit the bars. Shit, also taken.
Ok, maybe simpler is better. Masks don't work. I heard it from some guy in Bangledesh at a super duper secret website that is the only real place to get real news. Everything different that you get from newspapers is fake. All the news outlets are fake. Even Fox News is even fake. It's all fake except for this secret place that has the real deal. Which also says it heard from a guy in Tennessee who heard an embalmer who has top secret proof that the vaccine is killing everyone by turning their blood to rubber.
Man, this is harder than I thought. OK, let's just go with the theory that this kiddie soccer website has been overrun by a combination of completely mentally ill nut jobs and covert Russian operatives who are taking advantage of these weak-minded fools in the hope that they'll put their viking hats back on and storm the Capitol again.
Ok, so the government imposed mask mandates knowing they're unnecessary because it's true goal is to control people. It starts simple with masks, but before you know it they'll be taking our guns and then all of our liberties. Oh wait, that one is taken? What about putting anyone who resists into secret Nazi-style concentration camps? Who on earth would make up something that crazy?
How about China made Covid in a lab as part of a conspiracy to to kill people in the west? Also taken?
I'm sure no one has claimed yet that no one is really dying of Covid, it's just people dying from gunshots and in motorcycle accidents being used as a cover for a conspiracy between the government and pharmaceut... What, also taken?
Ok, how about China made it in a lab but it isn't really deadly. Rather, Dr. Fauci paid for it as part of a false flag operation on behalf of the US government, so it could then create a secret formula to kill people slowly as part of its effort to reduce the current population and replace them with illegal aliens. In fact, the illegal aliens are part of the conspiracy, and never mind that I said it isn't fatal, because actually it is fatal if an illegal alien has it, but not to the illegals who are invading the country. Really it's just fatal to people in the old folks homes that the illegals are invading, so I don't need to worry about it and can feel free to hit the bars. Shit, also taken.
Ok, maybe simpler is better. Masks don't work. I heard it from some guy in Bangledesh at a super duper secret website that is the only real place to get real news. Everything different that you get from newspapers is fake. All the news outlets are fake. Even Fox News is even fake. It's all fake except for this secret place that has the real deal. Which also says it heard from a guy in Tennessee who heard an embalmer who has top secret proof that the vaccine is killing everyone by turning their blood to rubber.
Man, this is harder than I thought. OK, let's just go with the theory that this kiddie soccer website has been overrun by a combination of completely mentally ill nut jobs and covert Russian operatives who are taking advantage of these weak-minded fools in the hope that they'll put their viking hats back on and storm the Capitol again.
MicPaPa
GOLD
Bang! Messenger dead, well done.Might want to check the qualifications on your source. His own alma mater refers to him as a “misinformation superspreader”.
This tech millionaire went from covid trial funder to misinformation superspreader
After boosting unproven covid drugs and campaigning against vaccines, Steve Kirsch was abandoned by his team of scientific advisers—and left out of a job.
Now, what are your thoughts on the Bangladesh Study?
Science | AAAS
www.science.org