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[watfly]

Just for the record...I can't stand most politicians. Neoliberals are just as bad as the much of the Republicans. I think I've said many times over I think Sanders would've been the right vote for this country.

And I've said before that Sander's seems like a sincere politician, but I don't agree with most of his principles. Most politicians are in it for themselves and not the public.

I don't see how anyone can say with a straight face that liberal policies haven't been a complete disaster for San Francisco (or Baltimore or Detroit). We've had some bad Republican mayors in San Diego, but we don't continue to double down on our mistakes. While I don't agree with some of his policies, I think that our Democrat mayor is doing a decent job. Balance is a good thing. Any city that is too heavy in one direction is not going to be well served. I just find the left's policies more emotional than substantive. Right or left, I prefer a candidate that has done something outside of politics, as opposed to only having sucked off the government teat. Career politicians are the worst.

 

[watfly]

As to the “Russian investigation debacle.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html

I know they don’t talk about these things on infowars or Bannon’s podcast.

How dare you question the fairness of our elections! Did you actually read the article? Because I missed the part where it said Trump conspired with Russia. I don't think anyone doubts that Russia attempted to interfere with our elections. Always has and always will.

Which parts of the Russian dossier did you find factual since that was the basis for the investigation of Trump?

You know what's a bigger problem than Russian misinformation? People getting their news from social media or the Daily Show, or Infowars for that matter.

 

[watfly]

Sure, you "disdain" them so much that an hour ago you lied to everyone that it was just a few fringe republicans and not the official platform of your party.

Let me know when you find evidence that the Republican's support violent protest.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

How dare you question the fairness of our elections! Did you actually read the article? Because I missed the part where it said Trump conspired with Russia. I don't think anyone doubts that Russia attempted to interfere with our elections. Always has and always will.

Which parts of the Russian dossier did you find factual since that was the basis for the investigation of Trump?

You know what's a bigger problem than Russian misinformation? People getting their news from social media or the Daily Show, or Infowars for that matter.

You refuse to see the obvious. Do you understand why he and those around him were investigated? Or are you all a tizzy because Hillary’s campaign “spied” on the donald campaign (tip: all campaigns keep an eye on the competition).

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Let me know when you find evidence that the Republican's support violent protest.

“You gotta fight like hell or you won’t have a country!”
“let’s have trial by fire!”
“We have Gabby in the crosshairs!”

Almost one in three of Republicans say violence may be necessary to ‘save’ US

Troubling statistics show the post-election rancor that led to the US Capitol attack on 6 January is still very much in place

www.theguardian.com

Report: GOP Rep. Mo Brooks wore body armor during speech on January 6 - CNN Video

Anderson Cooper talks with Slate magazine political writer Jim Newell about his interview with Republican Rep. Mo Brooks, who told Newell he wore body armor under his clothes while he gave a speech on January 6.

www.cnn.com

The Republicans have become the party of violence | Column

Menacing signals suggest that Jan. 6 may have been the overture, not the finale.

www.tampabay.com

It’s easy to find.

 

[watfly]

You refuse to see the obvious. Do you understand why he and those around him were investigated? Or are you all a tizzy because Hillary’s campaign “spied” on the donald campaign (tip: all campaigns keep an eye on the competition).

Ok, what is the obvious I missed? And don't play the coy game of "google it" or "if you can't see the obvious, me explaining it to you won't make a difference"

Look I don't think Trump is a good dude, and I'm confident that he didn't object to being a beneficiary of Russia's meddling (Russia certainly did it for their own interests and not those of Trump), but there isn't any materially evidence of collusion. I suspect that if 2024 is a Biden vs Trump election (god help us all) Russia would likely prefer Biden over Trump.

 

[watfly]

“You gotta fight like hell or you won’t have a country!”
“let’s have trial by fire!”
“We have Gabby in the crosshairs!”

Almost one in three of Republicans say violence may be necessary to ‘save’ US

Troubling statistics show the post-election rancor that led to the US Capitol attack on 6 January is still very much in place

www.theguardian.com

Report: GOP Rep. Mo Brooks wore body armor during speech on January 6 - CNN Video

Anderson Cooper talks with Slate magazine political writer Jim Newell about his interview with Republican Rep. Mo Brooks, who told Newell he wore body armor under his clothes while he gave a speech on January 6.

www.cnn.com

The Republicans have become the party of violence | Column

Menacing signals suggest that Jan. 6 may have been the overture, not the finale.

www.tampabay.com

It’s easy to find.

I would wear body armor too. Who wants to be gored by a Viking helmet?

 

[whatithink]

The further point many on the right make is there are people in jail in DC who have yet to even go to court. And this despite the fact that so far the people who have been charged have been charged for crimes such as trespassing and disorderly conduct.

So they and people like myself wonder...if those are the charges being pressed, why are these people still in jail and why have they yet to go to court.

I'm assuming those same people have been vociferous about the fact the there are typically 500,000 people in jail in the US who have not yet gone to trial. Under our laws, they are all innocent, and yet they are incarcerated. For many of those, they are there because they are poor, i.e. can't afford bail.

Its good that the right is now focusing on this.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Ok, what is the obvious I missed? And don't play the coy game of "google it" or "if you can't see the obvious, me explaining it to you won't make a difference"

Look I don't think Trump is a good dude, and I'm confident that he didn't object to being a beneficiary of Russia's meddling (Russia certainly did it for their own interests and not those of Trump), but there isn't any materially evidence of collusion. I suspect that if 2024 is a Biden vs Trump election (god help us all) Russia would likely prefer Biden over Trump.

Do you understand why the trump campaign was investigated? Do you remember the number of contacts between Russians and the trump circle? Do you/did you see these things and still wonder why American interests might be interested in what was up?

 

[Brav520]

“You gotta fight like hell or you won’t have a country!”
“let’s have trial by fire!”
“We have Gabby in the crosshairs!”

Almost one in three of Republicans say violence may be necessary to ‘save’ US

Troubling statistics show the post-election rancor that led to the US Capitol attack on 6 January is still very much in place

www.theguardian.com

Report: GOP Rep. Mo Brooks wore body armor during speech on January 6 - CNN Video

Anderson Cooper talks with Slate magazine political writer Jim Newell about his interview with Republican Rep. Mo Brooks, who told Newell he wore body armor under his clothes while he gave a speech on January 6.

www.cnn.com

The Republicans have become the party of violence | Column

Menacing signals suggest that Jan. 6 may have been the overture, not the finale.

www.tampabay.com

It’s easy to find.

Unearthed tweets show Jamie Raskin, Joe Biden saying ‘fight like hell’

Republicans on Wednesday dug up past instances of Democratic House impeachment managers and President Biden using the words “fight” or “fight like hell” — one of the k…

nypost.com

Waters scares Democrats with call for all-out war on Trump

With her constant calls for President Donald Trump to be impeached, Waters is making even members of her own party anxious.

www.politico.com

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-06-14/scalise-shooter-expressed-far-left-anti-republican-sentiments-in-the-past

 

[watfly]

Do you understand why the trump campaign was investigated? Do you remember the number of contacts between Russians and the trump circle? Do you/did you see these things and still wonder why American interests might be interested in what was up?

Fair point. But contacts with Russians doesn't mean collusion with Russians. (it seems that a lot of politicians have contacts with Russians, rightly or wrongly) There was no evidence of collusion in those contacts. That could have been determined in fairly short order; however, the entire investigation was propped up by the fake dossier. The amount of time, effort and money spent on a investigation based foundationally on a fake document paid for by Democrats is absurd. (not to say that Trump's attitude didn't exacerbate things).

Here is a fairly even handed treatment of the dossier and the investigation.

The Steele dossier: A reckoning

When it came to light in January 2017, just days before Donald Trump took office, the so-called Steele dossier landed like a bombshell and sent shockwaves around the world with its salacious allegations about Trump and his supposed ties to Russia.

www.cnn.com

 

[Grace T.]

The Canada situation is not diffusing but instead is spinning away from the government real quick. Pictures of disabled, children and old people peaceful protestors trampled by horses. Press arrested for filming. Opposition parties calling for a strike this weekend in response with more protests around the country this weekend.

 

[crush]

The Canada situation is not diffusing but instead is spinning away from the government real quick. Pictures of disabled, children and old people peaceful protestors trampled by horses. Press arrested for filming. Opposition parties calling for a strike this weekend in response with more protests around the country this weekend.

Grandmother Dies After Police Trample Her On Horseback At Ottawa Freedom Rally

She was an elderly lady with a walker and the cops ran her through on horseback, she has since died of her injuries. I had already been arrested at this point

www.bitchute.com

 

[Brav520]

,

Grandmother Dies After Police Trample Her On Horseback At Ottawa Freedom Rally

She was an elderly lady with a walker and the cops ran her through on horseback, she has since died of her injuries. I had already been arrested at this point

www.bitchute.com

police are claiming the horse tripped after someone threw a bicycle at it

the video is just mayhem so it’s impossible for me to see

 

[watfly]

Unearthed tweets show Jamie Raskin, Joe Biden saying ‘fight like hell’

Republicans on Wednesday dug up past instances of Democratic House impeachment managers and President Biden using the words “fight” or “fight like hell” — one of the k…

nypost.com

Waters scares Democrats with call for all-out war on Trump

With her constant calls for President Donald Trump to be impeached, Waters is making even members of her own party anxious.

www.politico.com

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2017-06-14/scalise-shooter-expressed-far-left-anti-republican-sentiments-in-the-past

In defense of the Dems, they condemned the violence against Scalise. Also neither side should be judged by one off nutjobs.

 

[Brav520]

In defense of the Dems, they condemned the violence against Scalise. Also neither side should be judged by one off nutjobs.

I was just pointing out the Dems use of charged political rhetoric

I understand that bar nut jobs , most people when they hear “fight like hell” aren’t going try to murder people

 

[Grace T.]

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police are claiming the horse tripped after someone threw a bicycle at it

the video is just mayhem so it’s impossible for me to see

Doesn’t matter. She’s a martyr now. This won’t end now because of that.

the problem with wars(and with most conflict) is once engaged things have a tendency to spin out of the parties control.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Fair point. But contacts with Russians doesn't mean collusion with Russians. (it seems that a lot of politicians have contacts with Russians, rightly or wrongly) There was no evidence of collusion in those contacts. That could have been determined in fairly short order; however, the entire investigation was propped up by the fake dossier. The amount of time, effort and money spent on a investigation based foundationally on a fake document paid for by Democrats is absurd. (not to say that Trump's attitude didn't exacerbate things).

Here is a fairly even handed treatment of the dossier and the investigation.

The Steele dossier: A reckoning

When it came to light in January 2017, just days before Donald Trump took office, the so-called Steele dossier landed like a bombshell and sent shockwaves around the world with its salacious allegations about Trump and his supposed ties to Russia.

www.cnn.com

You are running off the rightwing narrative. Yes Democrats pressed on the collusion angle and Republicans ran from questions turning a blind eye to any questionable contacts, except Jeff Sessions (was he the first to do the right thing thus becoming an outcast?)

 

[watfly]

You are running off the rightwing narrative. Yes Democrats pressed on the collusion angle and Republicans ran from questions turning a blind eye to any questionable contacts, except Jeff Sessions (was he the first to do the right thing thus becoming an outcast?)

I don't run off narratives, or at least I try not to. I try to evaluate each situation separately. I run off facts. Dossier has widely been discredited? Fact. The dossier provided the context for the investigations? Fact. Was there some smoke due to Trump or his teams connections with Russians, yep but no tangible evidence of collusion from those contacts. The contacts were a molehill, the left used the dossier and their disdain of Trump to make it mountain.

Did you support Trump's 1st impeachment even though the Mueller report didn't find evidence of collusion? If so, that's following the left's narrative.

Trump is guilty of a number of things, but collusion with Russia is not one of them.

 

[espola]

I don't run off narratives, or at least I try not to. I try to evaluate each situation separately. I run off facts. Dossier has widely been discredited? Fact. The dossier provided the context for the investigations? Fact. Was there some smoke due to Trump or his teams connections with Russians, yep but no tangible evidence of collusion from those contacts. The contacts were a molehill, the left used the dossier and their disdain of Trump to make it mountain.

Did you support Trump's 1st impeachment even though the Mueller report didn't find evidence of collusion? If so, that's following the left's narrative.

Trump is guilty of a number of things, but collusion with Russia is not one of them.

The first impeachment was for obstruction of justice, referring to the actions t took to stop the investigation. Why did he do that if there was nothing there?

 

[watfly]

The first impeachment was for obstruction of justice, referring to the actions t took to stop the investigation. Why did he do that if there was nothing there?

Correct and issues related to Ukraine, I'm going to blame Covid brain. He did it because he acts like a child and doesn't like being told what to do, or that's my educated guess. It's also possible he was hiding something else and the left was using wide latitude in their investigations.