Vaccine

[Desert Hound]

try to figure out what omicron has done to the accuracy of hospital admission numbers.

By the way this issue outdates omicron.

They have not bothered to differentiate between in the hospital because of covid vs with covid since the start. This is not some new reality.

It is a problem talked about and dismissed by people like you and politicians from day 1.

 

[crush]

There is a database of all vaccinations. There is a database of all tests run. You’re describing a merged database query on a few million records. That’s been easy for decades.

 

[crush]

 

[NorCalDad]

That's an interesting perspective, but doesnt apply here in San Diego. The corruption here is in the public school districts, SDUSD, Poway, Sweetwater to name a few. The charter high schools in our area are comparable to the publics, but are significantly better than the schools in the areas from where the kids are choicing in from. There have been a few cases of fraud in the very small charters, but a little due diligence from the granting authorities could have avoided many of those cases.

Parents love charters. Whats the harm in giving people options and giving competition to publics? Absolutely nothing.

If the Koch's want to back school choice, more power to them. Its light years better than Soros funding soft on crime DA's. I would think you could appreciate that being from NoCal.

Again, took two seconds:

Founder, CEO Must Pay $37.5 Million in Fines, Face Prison Terms, in Charter School Fraud Case

The co-founder of a charter school network that engaged in a "systematic public corruption scheme" was sentenced Friday to four years in prison.

timesofsandiego.com

I'm not against school choice. I'm against how it's implemented. There is no oversight. I'm a big believer that if you want better public schools we need to pay the teachers more -- so much more that we attract people that wouldn't otherwise become teachers. That will play out in the private sector once schools start to realize they don't have any teachers to hire. This idea that the private sector can do this better is pretty crazy. I mean look at all of the people on this thread saying "Follow the money...look at big pharma"....yet somehow....we shouldn't do that with charter/private schools?

 

[Desert Hound]

Again, took two seconds:

Founder, CEO Must Pay $37.5 Million in Fines, Face Prison Terms, in Charter School Fraud Case

The co-founder of a charter school network that engaged in a "systematic public corruption scheme" was sentenced Friday to four years in prison.

timesofsandiego.com

I'm not against school choice. I'm against how it's implemented. There is no oversight. I'm a big believer that if you want better public schools we need to pay the teachers more -- so much more that we attract people that wouldn't otherwise become teachers. That will play out in the private sector once schools start to realize they don't have any teachers to hire. This idea that the private sector can do this better is pretty crazy. I mean look at all of the people on this thread saying "Follow the money...look at big pharma"....yet somehow....we shouldn't do that with charter/private schools?

You are right. Takes a second or two.

If this was a charter they would have been shut down years ago.

Calls to shut down Baltimore School where 0.13 GPA ranks near top half of class

BALTIMORE (WBFF) - Calls are mounting for a Baltimore City school to be investigated and shut down immediately. This, after an alarming WBFF Project Baltimore investigation, found hundreds of students are failing at the west Baltimore high school. C4, or Clarence Mitchell IV, and Bryan Nehman...

wset.com

According to the investigation’s findings, 937 of the 2,758 DCPS high school graduates last year (34 percent) did not meet the city’s requirements to earn their diplomas

DC Public Schools Failed Thousands of Students | HillRag

Last week, the Office of the State Superintendent of Education (OSSE) issued the “Final Report on the Audit and Investigation of Graduation Irregularities at Ballou High School and across DC Public

www.hillrag.com

and just passing them along to the next grade...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/investigation-finds-dc-schools-fostered-a-culture-of-passing-students/2018/01/30/623dd108-05e7-11e8-94e8-e8b8600ade23_story.html

And counter productive "ideas" like this....


LOS ANGELES (TND) — Some of the largest school districts in California are facing criticism after announcing the elimination of 'D' and 'F' grades for some students.

School districts in Los Angeles, Sacramento, San Diego, and Oakland, among others, are reportedly ending the practice of giving out grades below 'C' for high schoolers. According to EdSource, students will be given more time to complete assignments if they aren't turned in on time and the ability to retake failed tests.

Here the school district used money for other things other than what it was supposed to...to the tune of 450 million.

How did LAUSD spend $450 million? Not on the high-needs students the money was for, state officials say

The Los Angeles Unified School District may soon have to redirect how it spends hundreds of millions of dollars in order to directly benefit the English learners, foster youth and low-income students for whom the state funding was earmarked.

www.latimes.com

Over the last school year, 15 states constituting around a quarter of the total U.S. population didn't even manage to achieve 50 percent effective in-person education, the alleged purpose of all that federal COVID money.

What Did Public Schools Do With COVID Relief Money? Whatever They Wanted.

Track and field equipment and salaries for custodians are among the goods and services school districts purchased with COVID-19 relief money. Figuring out what they did with the rest of it remains difficult.

reason.com

The problem with public schools is politically they are a special interest. They have a lack of oversight. Failure is not punished.

School choice allows parents to get out of miserable failing public schools.

 

[dad4]

By the way this issue outdates omicron.

They have not bothered to differentiate between in the hospital because of covid vs with covid since the start. This is not some new reality.

It is a problem talked about and dismissed by people like you and politicians from day 1.

Issue? Why would it have been an issue back when cases were less than 10% of current levels?

What did you expect them to say? "STOP EVERYTHING. OUR HOSPITALIZATION RATE ESTIMATES MIGHT BE OFF BY THREE PERCENT!!!!!"

No one important cared, because a 3% error does not matter. It was a political non-issue being raised by uninformed talking heads on Fox.

Later, when cases rose ten fold, it became a 30% error, then people paid attention.

 

[Desert Hound]

Issue? Why would it have been an issue back when cases were less than 10% of current levels?

Why was it an issue?

You fail or pretend not to know.

It is simple. Hospital numbers have been inflated which in turn has lead to our "leadership" making bad decisions off those numbers.

Very early on it was pointed out they they were counting everyone with covid in the hospital as a covid case...ie in there because of covid. That has skewed the numbers in the wrong direction from the very beginning.

 

[watfly]

Again, took two seconds:

Founder, CEO Must Pay $37.5 Million in Fines, Face Prison Terms, in Charter School Fraud Case

The co-founder of a charter school network that engaged in a "systematic public corruption scheme" was sentenced Friday to four years in prison.

timesofsandiego.com

I'm not against school choice. I'm against how it's implemented. There is no oversight. I'm a big believer that if you want better public schools we need to pay the teachers more -- so much more that we attract people that wouldn't otherwise become teachers. That will play out in the private sector once schools start to realize they don't have any teachers to hire. This idea that the private sector can do this better is pretty crazy. I mean look at all of the people on this thread saying "Follow the money...look at big pharma"....yet somehow....we shouldn't do that with charter/private schools?

I agree we need better oversight of charter schools...and public schools. The fraud problem is far from unique to charter schools. We have whole public school districts including teachers unions that are rife with fraud and incompetence. (If you spent 6 seconds more looking for public school fraud you would have found far more examples than charters) Teachers pay is not the problem with our public schools, accountability is the biggest problem. Im a fan of public schools. Weve chosen public over charter for both our kids. (Our middle school feeds a public and a charter)

You know why oversight sucks? Because its done by our government.

If your against publicly founded fraud in California then I suggest we get rid of unemployment, welfare, workers comp etc. Cause charter school fraud is a drop in the bucket compared to those.

Charter schools work, unfortunately every industry is subject to fraud particularly those with goverment oversight. Dont hide behind claims of fraud. At least I can admit that charter school fraud exists.

 

[Desert Hound]

Also...to continue from above...

It is also similar in the sense of CASE counts. The press and you have been fixated on cases. Cases by and large for the majority of the population don't matter. And yet for 2 yrs that has been the focus leading the fear/paranoia in people like you.

100k cases in a 20-40yr old age group really don't matter since their risk is so low. 100k cases in the elderly does make a difference.

2yrs into this you should admit that what you advocated and many blue states mandated was never going to work.

A complete failure. Children greatly harmed educationally. Rampant inflation due to spending related to wrong covid policies. Ruined biz, people using their life savings up...etc. All for naught. We were never going to stop this virus.

 

[NorCalDad]

I agree we need better oversight of charter schools...and public schools. The fraud problem is far from unique to charter schools. We have whole public school districts including teachers unions that are rife with fraud and incompetence. (If you spent 6 seconds more looking for public school fraud you would have found far more examples than charters) Teachers pay is not the problem with our public schools, accountability is the biggest problem. Im a fan of public schools. Weve chosen public over charter for both our kids. (Our middle school feeds a public and a charter)

You know why oversight sucks? Because its done by our government.

If your against publicly founded fraud in California then I suggest we get rid of unemployment, welfare, workers comp etc. Cause charter school fraud is a drop in the bucket compared to those.

Charter schools work, unfortunately every industry is subject to fraud particularly those with goverment oversight. Dont hide behind claims of fraud. At least I can admit that charter school fraud exists.

I just spent several seconds trying to find public school fraud in San Diego -- nothing comes up (except for that A3 charter school fiasco). I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I'm not finding it. Can you send me some links? I'm willing to listen here. The problem is it's incredibly difficult to commit fraud in public schools due to all of the checks and balances -- it's also the reason why people complain about bureaucracy in our school system. I mean just go to any school board meeting and what the brown act unfold.

 

[EvilGoalie 21]

I'm a big believer that if you want better public schools we need to pay the teachers more -- so much more that we attract people that wouldn't otherwise become teachers.

Yeah it's a bit funny to read the comments about how shutting down schools was so bad for our kids but now that they can go back the schools just suck, close them down. Sorta weird. Part of the overall fatalism I guess. With my 2ed grader there were challenges with the shut down to be sure, but some highlights too. When the time came was it far better for her to go back to a professional trained to teach her age group? Absolutely. I would have thought greater respect for teachers might have been something universal to come out of this whole experience. But I guess not.

 

[dad4]

Why was it an issue?

You fail or pretend not to know.

It is simple. Hospital numbers have been inflated which in turn has lead to our "leadership" making bad decisions off those numbers.

Very early on it was pointed out they they were counting everyone with covid in the hospital as a covid case...ie in there because of covid. That has skewed the numbers in the wrong direction from the very beginning.

Sure. Numbers were inflated and skewed. Inflated and skewed by 3% or so.

That is not an issue.

 

[espola]

I just spent several seconds trying to find public school fraud in San Diego -- nothing comes up (except for that A3 charter school fiasco). I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I'm not finding it. Can you send me some links? I'm willing to listen here. The problem is it's incredibly difficult to commit fraud in public schools due to all of the checks and balances -- it's also the reason why people complain about bureaucracy in our school system. I mean just go to any school board meeting and what the brown act unfold.

A couple of years ago the Superintendent of the Poway USD was fired after disclosure of expense report and vacation time policies and harassing staff who were investigating him. An earlier super had been dismissed for an inappropriate relationship with a female employee. The current super's biggest challenge has been public criticism in the wake of an unannounced visit by SecEd deVoss.

 

[what-happened]

Sure. Numbers were inflated and skewed. Inflated and skewed by 3% or so.

That is not an issue.

have you ever been to a hospital and seen how things work? Not your family practice office, but a hospital.

 

[N00B]

So show me how it’s done. Explore your theory. Give an explanation for why in home tests might move the case peak.

The statement:

The vaccinated are only incentivized to take unreported ‘at home’ tests to get out of isolation.

What changed at or near the peak of the vaccinated positive reported cases?

It was the removal of incentive for vaccinated individuals to test, excepting to test out of isolation on Monday, December 27th.

Vax/unvax reporting bias doesn’t really wash as an explanation. Even if only 10% of vax cases get reported, that just forces the curve lower. It doesn‘t change the peak timing unless you have some reason that the reporting bias would change over time.

CDC Newsroom

Press releases, advisories, telebriefings, transcripts and archives.

www.cdc.gov

 

[dad4]

The statement:



What changed at or near the peak of the vaccinated positive reported cases?

It was the removal of incentive for vaccinated individuals to test, excepting to test out of isolation on Monday, December 27th.

CDC Newsroom

Press releases, advisories, telebriefings, transcripts and archives.

www.cdc.gov

Your theory is that New York residents stopped getting PCR tests because isolation rules changed for Californians?

 

[Desert Hound]

Sure. Numbers were inflated and skewed. Inflated and skewed by 3% or so.

That is not an issue.

Where do you come up with 3%?

We haven't had a break down of the numbers.

If it were just 3% Biden wouldn't be talking about changing the standards. The number is far greater.

 

[Grace T.]

Where do you come up with 3%?

We haven't had a break down of the numbers.

If it were just 3% Biden wouldn't be talking about changing the standards. The number is far greater.

Very old ground that has been rehashed several times here. He’s going to say with the omicron because it’s more inflated than it was but if you look back at the records the with/for split was around 20-40%/80%~60% and Is now more than 50/50 by most guesses. 3% is laughable.

 

[Kicker 2.0]

Are you fat-shaming the obese? Where’s their freedom? Is there a body type that should be seen as ideal? Maybe we could start youth clubs to promote such ideas and to groom out the undesirables that may hinder our great American destiny! Eh Jojo?

Wonder what would have been more effective, Mask Mandates or a Diet and Excercise Mandate:

CDC study finds about 78% of people hospitalized for Covid were overweight or obese

An overwhelming majority of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the CDC said.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Grace T.]

Yeah it's a bit funny to read the comments about how shutting down schools was so bad for our kids but now that they can go back the schools just suck, close them down. Sorta weird. Part of the overall fatalism I guess. With my 2ed grader there were challenges with the shut down to be sure, but some highlights too. When the time came was it far better for her to go back to a professional trained to teach her age group? Absolutely. I would have thought greater respect for teachers might have been something universal to come out of this whole experience. But I guess not.

It was until they tried to keep the schools shut.

the choice thing was made worse by the leadership sending their kids to private schools which were open while public’s were shut. Then the entire crt thing hit and the bottom dropped out.