MicPaPa
GOLD
Would love to do a word-association test with you leftist morons.
Vaccine
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Desert Hound
DA
This gets back to LONG TERM STUDIES.
We are still learning stuff.
Now they are thinking of extending the time period between shots to minimize heart issues.
This amongst many reasons is why you don't mandate a vaxx. This is why you don't mandate the young who have no risk to take a vaxx.
www.breitbart.com
We are still learning stuff.
Now they are thinking of extending the time period between shots to minimize heart issues.
This amongst many reasons is why you don't mandate a vaxx. This is why you don't mandate the young who have no risk to take a vaxx.
CDC Considers Upping Time Between Shots to Cut Risk of Heart Issues
The CDC is weighing changes to vaccine guidance to increase the time between doses due to the risk of heart inflammation.
www.breitbart.com
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I don't believe you understood my point. Specifically, I believe that those that don't get vaccinated are much less prone to take a test unless their symptoms are more severe. If they expect a "bad cold" and get one, why test? The only time they'd test is if they went to the doctor after it got bad enough for them to seek treatment. If one group (vaxed) is getting a test when they get a mild sore throat, cough or sneezing or even before they have symptoms and another isn't getting tested until they are bed-ridden the peak will be the difference in the time the symptoms present themselves and the time they are severe.
You are 100% correct! @dad4 knows what you are talking about, but all he has left to back his worry is the case counts. I've already explained to him how inaccurate case counts are, how vaccinated probably get tested less because many jobs make unvaccinated test, but he has no answers for any of it...he just says look at the data. I would also argue with his 6:1 ratio...How can @dad4 know if there are vaccinated people who have minimal symptoms that go out and infect unvaccinated...the vaccinated never test because they just had a sore throat, but meantime they have been going around spreading it to every person in the area. There is a reason the spike was so high this year with 70-80 percent of the population vaccinated, because the vaccinated went out and spread it.
Why would in home tests move the date of peak cases?
My wife won't even let the pros take her temp with that thing you put on the third eye. Third eye is everything. I wake up every morning and work my root chakra to my heart. Once I receive, I take it all to the third eye. The things I'm seeing will blow you away. This is all new to me. I know why I came now, I came to help the oppressed, the fatherless and those who seek a higher calling. I was just pissed off and took on the beast all by myself and felt alone and scared. It's all about love and not revenge. Fear is where dad is at and the two sides fight. Remember, where two fight, no one is right. I know one guy who cheated so much he left his family and no one has seen him for a month now. It sucks.
Fairly certain I nailed the obvious question.
What is it about the testing itself that would explain the difference?
Not a political starting point. Though for someone who has such a strong distaste of others marking conclusions on your behalf, this was a bit of a jump.
I agree the question is real. If there is an anomaly in the test results, shouldn’t one start at the testing when seeking a potential cause. Aka, applying the Principle of Parsimony?
I don’t think the 15% slice of the pie (unvaccinated population) would disqualify one from dibs at Thanksgiving. After all that’s about 6 slices per pie. How many pieces do you cut yours into?
I know you think you got it right.
But your explanation doesn’t work. Suppose vaccinated people test mostly at home, and that lab tests only catch 20% of all cases among vaccinated folks.
That would mean the reported case maximum is 1/5 of the actual max level. But it would be on the same day.
So, no. I don’t think at home testing can explain why vaccinated case peak is occurring earlier than unvax.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Yeah the x axis vs y axis parts of this are getting all sort of mixed up in a bucket. Anyway, another thing you could do is to normalize the data to total cases rather than total vaxx or unvaxx. That might have two effects. First, it would be a different approach to determining if the peak time for vaxx vs unvaxx cases was truly shifted in the overall wave profile relative to unvaxx, which, as I recall, was your interest. Second, since NYC (I assume we are still talking about this data) is heavy vaxx you could then plot the data as a function of total cases. Maybe get something like 2/3 total cases in vaxxed people, express it as per 100K, and graph it that way. Upload. Then, horrible mistake, vaxx really does suck. And then I'm betting the (actually kind of interesting) discussion on testing proclivities and methodologies would fade away. NYC data is all available as excel or csv download. If I get some time later today might do that. might be fun. Too bad LA country doesn't appear to break down cases by vaxx status, at least that ive seen.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
The " New " mask mandate only applies to Rino/Democrats.
Use it generously as the TRUTH is brought forth.
The American public can do without the constant
squealing that is about to ensue.
Use it generously as the TRUTH is brought forth.
The American public can do without the constant
squealing that is about to ensue.
Yeah, we are talking about your NYC graph.
COVID-19 - NYC Health
www1.nyc.gov
Vax peak is more than a week before unvax peak. It’s a 5 day gap for San Jose. They aleady did the work of graphing by cases per 100K.
Best guess I have so far is if there was a lot of immunity developing among vaccinated people early in the omicron wave. People who were exposed to enough virus to wake up the immune response, but not enough to get sick.
I don’t have a way to test it, though.
Yup, the question is the right one to start with.
You feel you’ve ruled out the question and moved on. I don’t think you’ve really explored that question.
Yeah, we are talking about your NYC graph.
COVID-19 - NYC Health
www1.nyc.gov
Vax peak is more than a week before unvax peak. It’s a 5 day gap for San Jose. They aleady did the work of graphing by cases per 100K.
Best guess I have so far is if there was a lot of immunity developing among vaccinated people early in the omicron wave. People who were exposed to enough virus to wake up the immune response, but not enough to get sick.
I don’t have a way to test it, though.
So your best guess is under reported cases (lack of testing ‘it’s just allergies’ or in-home unreported tests ) amongst the vaccinated community earlier in the omicron wave.
Care to circle back to the question?
“What is it about the testing itself that would explain the difference?”
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Have a 17 year old son. Make multiple pies.
So show me how it’s done. Explore your theory. Give an explanation for why in home tests might move the case peak.
Your question has no answer. There is nothing about testing itself that can explain the difference.
A stable bias would not move the peak right or left. Not up or down.
To move the peak right or left, you would need a testing bias which changes on the same time scale that the omicron wave itself changes. Half life or doubling time of 7-14 days. What makes you think we had that?
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
for what's its worth, i'm inclined to agree that, particularly at this point in the pandemic, vaxxed vs unvaxxed groups are highly reflective of deep personality traits, like in the way psychologists use the term, not some kind of judgement. no big surprise. and those traits dictate behavior as well obviously. so could there be skew in reporting time between the groups big enough to effect large population data as you are suggesting? basically unvaxxed being more prone to tough it out so to speak if i follow you. sure, i could see it. the interesting follow on would then be whether you'd think that would affect the total number of cases between the two groups, rather than just the timing of reporting. And if so, in what way?