Vaccine

Spoiler alert on another view point on forgiveness: "There is a deeper level to forgiveness and that is realizing there is nothing to forgive."
I told my old church pal this thought and he asked me not to come over any more if this is my new age belief. People get angry and now I know it's all fear.

Not really a fan of the new age approach, but hey… it’s like LA Story.

Sounds like your ‘old church pal’ took umbrage with the diminishing of god’s gift of forgiveness. If there’s nothing to forgive, then…

Unfortunately, what you stated in bold is another way of describing Love and he didn’t get it.
 
That's funny. You guys first of all complain about credentials but here you have both an MD and a PHD. But she's not even the primary source (citing data and study out of Denmark). This just goes to show you guys only love so called experts that agree with you
The same study shows boosters linked to a huge reduction in Delta transmission. Just look a few columns to the right of the part Tracy circled.

Should I assume that you now believe that unvaccinated transmission is responsible for the Delta surge?
 
That's funny. You guys first of all complain about credentials but here you have both an MD and a PHD. But she's not even the primary source (citing data and study out of Denmark). This just goes to show you guys only love so called experts that agree with you
Experts that are trained in what they are promoting. She has been one sided the entire pandemic. No adjustments in her thinking have been made.. She has an agenda… she is comprised…

 
Not really a fan of the new age approach, but hey… it’s like LA Story.

Sounds like your ‘old church pal’ took umbrage with the diminishing of god’s gift of forgiveness. If there’s nothing to forgive, then…

Unfortunately, what you stated in bold is another way of describing Love and he didn’t get it.
It's a deep one for sure and all the Christians who think their better then the rest have much learning to do on judgement and fear. If we start with judging thyself first to hell as the supreme judge and ruler of your life, then we will judge others to the same fate. What's good for the Goose is good for the other. Baby step #1 is to forgive thyself first. Once you do that, you don't need to forgive people for their wrongs. It's all fear based salvation that is cheap grace some say. Traditional church goers who regularly attend on Sunday believe if you miss, you go to hell. Pastor and church ladies said those things when we left church for soccer on Sundays. Seriously, some believers felt we were sending our dd to hell because we didnt go to church sometimes on the big day. They were actually angry with us the more I think about it. The reason? My dd was influencer of the other kids and those kids did not want to go either. honestly Parents forced their children to go to church through bribes and blackmail. It's interesting to look back and see the control. If I say to you, "Hey N00B, you're stupid." How do you feel? Do you agree or disagree? If someone says, "Hey N00B, you're a sinner and your going to hell if you dont do what I say the bible says for you to do." Do you agree? Or, I say, "hey N00B, this is hell and your in it now." Agree? We must agree not to believe anything anyone say's to us. We must be are own guru through Yeshua and learn from the master. Love is #1. Fear is all about control. "You better forgive me or I won;t forgive you." That's being sore loser. We all won already. Were alive and can be free right now. I am free!!!
 
Not a virologist. Did she have her findings peer reviewed?


Tracy Høeg, MD, PhD
Dr. Tracy Høeg is a board certified physical medicine and rehabilitation physician, fellowship trained in Sports, Spine and Regenerative Medicine, who specializes in the treatment of a variety of sports and spine conditions and conditions that affect physical function, with the following procedures and areas of expertise including, but not limited to:

  • Ultrasound-guided peripheral joint injections
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  • EMG and Nerve Conduction Study
  • Trigger point injections
  • Spinal epidural injections
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This is a UC Davis person I believe. It's not her work. She just linking it.
 
The same study shows boosters linked to a huge reduction in Delta transmission. Just look a few columns to the right of the part Tracy circled.

Should I assume that you now believe that unvaccinated transmission is responsible for the Delta surge?

Unboosted transmission is in part responsible for the Delta surge. FIFY.
 
Experts that are trained in what they are promoting. She has been one sided the entire pandemic. No adjustments in her thinking have been made.. She has an agenda… she is comprised…


"Experts are trained in whaat they are promoting. Fauci has been one sided the entire pandemic. He's made no adjustment in his thinking. He has an agenda....he is compromised..."

FIFY.
 
Unboosted transmission is in part responsible for the Delta surge. FIFY.
The rato was almost 3:1.

Then multiply in the fact that unvaccinated people are more likely to get infected in the first place.

Overall, you're talking an order of magnitude difference.

That's well beyond "partly responsible".
 
The rato was almost 3:1.

Then multiply in the fact that unvaccinated people are more likely to get infected in the first place.

Overall, you're talking an order of magnitude difference.

That's well beyond "partly responsible".
Errrr....Delta wave began in India where there was no choice to remain vaccinated or unvaccinated. It's more fitting to say if the world had been more equitable and targeted in its vaccine distribution, the Delta wave may never have arisen (or at a minimum, thousands of Indian elderly wouldn't have passed because we targeted younger people instead of sharing).

Ultimately what caused the Delta wave was a lack of vaccine availability.
 
Errrr....Delta wave began in India where there was no choice to remain vaccinated or unvaccinated. It's more fitting to say if the world had been more equitable and targeted in its vaccine distribution, the Delta wave may never have arisen (or at a minimum, thousands of Indian elderly wouldn't have passed because we targeted younger people instead of sharing).

Ultimately what caused the Delta wave was a lack of vaccine availability.
You're changing the topic.

I agree a faster vaccine rollout worldwide would be a good thing. But we were talking about whether vaccine refusal in the US made it possible for Delta to grow here.
 
You're changing the topic.

I agree a faster vaccine rollout worldwide would be a good thing. But we were talking about whether vaccine refusal in the US made it possible for Delta to grow here.

1. No. You used the word "responsible". In according responsibility, Delta arose because India had no vaccines. If you didn't mean responsible (note you changed it to "possible for Delta to grow here" now) you should have been more careful with your wording.
2. Delta still transmitted among the double vaxxed. If there were no boosters and everyone was double vaxxed, I think we likely still would have had a wave, it just wouldn't have been as big. The argument, otherwise, you are making is that boosters weren't really necessary.
3. I agree, using your own words from above, that if everyone had been boosted we likely wouldn't have gotten a Delta wave. But that's a separate question for if we should have required kids and young men to bear the burden for society, given their higher risk for vaccine induced myocarditis. Ultimately, you are still concerned about cases, which are meaningless to me if the vaccines put serious illness on the floor.
4. The omicron of course would have rendered all the above moot.
 
It's a deep one for sure and all the Christians who think their better then the rest have much learning to do on judgement and fear. If we start with judging thyself first to hell as the supreme judge and ruler of your life, then we will judge others to the same fate. What's good for the Goose is good for the other. Baby step #1 is to forgive thyself first. Once you do that, you don't need to forgive people for their wrongs. It's all fear based salvation that is cheap grace some say. Traditional church goers who regularly attend on Sunday believe if you miss, you go to hell. Pastor and church ladies said those things when we left church for soccer on Sundays. Seriously, some believers felt we were sending our dd to hell because we didnt go to church sometimes on the big day. They were actually angry with us the more I think about it. The reason? My dd was influencer of the other kids and those kids did not want to go either. honestly Parents forced their children to go to church through bribes and blackmail. It's interesting to look back and see the control. If I say to you, "Hey N00B, you're stupid." How do you feel? Do you agree or disagree? If someone says, "Hey N00B, you're a sinner and your going to hell if you dont do what I say the bible says for you to do." Do you agree? Or, I say, "hey N00B, this is hell and your in it now." Agree? We must agree not to believe anything anyone say's to us. We must be are own guru through Yeshua and learn from the master. Love is #1. Fear is all about control. "You better forgive me or I won;t forgive you." That's being sore loser. We all won already. Were alive and can be free right now. I am free!!!

Self Love only works when paired with loving thy neighbor as yo.

Otherwise you’re heading back toward the LA Story genre….

Fear? Hard to have if you’re forgiven.
 
Self Love only works when paired with loving thy neighbor as yo.

Otherwise you’re heading back toward the LA Story genre….

Fear? Hard to have if you’re forgiven.
Back to the mask and Vaccine. Crazy times we live in. I am the light of my soul and I am beautiful, I am bliss bro and so are you. So many kids are told mean things by the adults with fear based lives if they don't obey their orders of a free education.

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1. No. You used the word "responsible". In according responsibility, Delta arose because India had no vaccines. If you didn't mean responsible (note you changed it to "possible for Delta to grow here" now) you should have been more careful with your wording.
2. Delta still transmitted among the double vaxxed. If there were no boosters and everyone was double vaxxed, I think we likely still would have had a wave, it just wouldn't have been as big. The argument, otherwise, you are making is that boosters weren't really necessary.
3. I agree, using your own words from above, that if everyone had been boosted we likely wouldn't have gotten a Delta wave. But that's a separate question for if we should have required kids and young men to bear the burden for society, given their higher risk for vaccine induced myocarditis. Ultimately, you are still concerned about cases, which are meaningless to me if the vaccines put serious illness on the floor.
4. The omicron of course would have rendered all the above moot.
Omicron hangs out in your nose, Delta goes to your lungs. Not moot at all.

If we all had been vaxxed and boosted, those delta wave deaths would not have happened. The cases, if they happened at all, would only have been omicron.
 
Back to the mask and Vaccine. Crazy times we live in. I am the light of my soul and I am beautiful, I am bliss bro and so are you. So many kids are told mean things by the adults with fear based lives if they don't obey their orders of a free education.

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Interesting stock photo.

The kids look too young for that lesson. Who teaches American 11 year olds how to divide by square roots?

Then look at the numbers on the board. The decimal point is a comma, The “7” has a cross bar, and the “1” looks like a tilted ”^”.

And look at the height of the electrical outlet.

That’s a European, Russian, or Israeli class. Picture wasn’t US at all.
 
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