The problem is that it's not as cut and dry as you think it is. While they may reduce infection, 1) the effect seems to be only temporary, and 2) it isn't enough to control mass outbreaks (see Vermont, Spain, Ireland, Gibraltar, Germany, Israel, the United Arab Emirates). It means we don't really have much of a choice...in the end natural immunity, whether you like it or not, will be the only way out of it as it moves towards endemic status. You claim you don't like politicization, but then don't realize it is exactly what you are doing too by only focusing on on side of the situation. For some groups, the vaccine might not be warranted (like Norway has concluded for all but the most immunocompromised kids) and for others boosting may not be warranted (such as young men, particularly with Moderna). But yes, everyone over 40 that hasn't had it should get vaccinated (those over 30 should seriously consider it) and anyone over 70 should get boosted (those over 60 should seriously consider it) due to disease severity.
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The problem is that it's not as cut and dry as you think it is. While they may reduce infection, 1) the effect seems to be only temporary, and 2) it isn't enough to control mass outbreaks (see Vermont, Spain, Ireland, Gibraltar, Germany, Israel, the United Arab Emirates). It means we don't really have much of a choice...in the end natural immunity, whether you like it or not, will be the only way out of it as it moves towards endemic status. You claim you don't like politicization, but then don't realize it is exactly what you are doing too by only focusing on on side of the situation. For some groups, the vaccine might not be warranted (like Norway has concluded for all but the most immunocompromised kids) and for others boosting may not be warranted (such as young men, particularly with Moderna). But yes, everyone over 40 that hasn't had it should get vaccinated (those over 30 should seriously consider it) and anyone over 70 should get boosted (those over 60 should seriously consider it) due to disease severity.
How long does natural immunity last?
Longer than the vaccine
what-happened
GOLD
You certainly like to minsconstrue my position. I assure you I'm neither uninformed nor misguided. I am clearly pro-vaccine to those most vulnerable. I am pro vaccine if you choose to get one. I am not pro forcing people to vaccinate healthy members of their family because others are scared, even if vaccinated. Please point out where I fall back on relying on natural immunity for everyone. Point out the clear data that indicates we should vaccinate healthy children? It's important to age stratify risk, especially when dealing with pharma products still under EUA. It's a basic principle.
We are in the midst of a waning pandemic, why mandate vaccines for previously infected people? If you are a fan of that, you are politicizing health, not following science but being an advocate for vaccines.
This horse is beat. We can agree to disagree. The story of SAR-COV-2 and vaccines hasn't been wriiten yet. Proabably a few more chapters to be written. Hopefully this new variant headed our way trends with little O.
what-happened
GOLD
when was the last time you had a really bad cold?
Started in October, lasted about a month. I suspect either my flu shot or something my wife brought home.
Yup in the end looks like what we are headed to is (at least until we get a new tech breakthrough which is at least a couple years away, more likely several, like the new vaccine the US army is looking into) the COVID vaccine is going to be like the flu shot....a yearly shot which misses the next variant most of the time.....get it if you want...if you are elderly/immunocompromised you probably should yearly just to boost your immunoresponse....less than fifty percent of the population gets it.
thirteenknots
SILVER ELITE
Do some research so you don't post the above CCCP Lies.
The CCCP and NIAID/NIH are joined at the hip with the Angel of Death
distributing the funds used for the Criminal acts out of the Wuhan Lab.
Unless you've personally seen a Bat injecting four strands of the HIV virus
into the (SARS-CoV) strand in a public setting to create the current Covid-19
strain and letting it " Fly ", I suggest you do some deep investigating and
bone up on the basics.
Here's a start:
Coronaviruses: An Overview of Their Replication and Pathogenesis (nih.gov)
That's right the very NIH has the basics and the TRUTH !
Imagine that.
Who told you that?
Who is CCCP?
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
What a bunch of crap. You tell me how a DNA based retrovirus like HIV gets engineered into a completely unrelated RNA based cornavirus. That should be fun. BTW shouldn't it be 13 coils instead of 13 knots. Won't ever slide that way.
Desert Hound
DA
dad and others....this is where it is going. People are done.
Reality is finally taking hold. You talk about testing, masks, etc. People are increasingly less willing to put up with this. Listen to the audience which is usually to the left. Tells you all you need to know where the trend is going.
Reality is finally taking hold. You talk about testing, masks, etc. People are increasingly less willing to put up with this. Listen to the audience which is usually to the left. Tells you all you need to know where the trend is going.
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
This guy is coo coo for coco pops.
Soccermaverick
SILVER ELITE
Desert Hound
DA
Funny how this works. And yet they were and are demanding proof of vaxx in some parts of the country and some groups want them in more places.
Amazing how wrong the experts have been, and how OFF BASE recommendations for proof of vaxx, etc have been.
"DENVER (KDVR) — Natural immunity was six times stronger during the delta wave than vaccination, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The report, published Jan. 19, analyzed COVID outcome data from New York and California, which make up about one in six of the nation’s total COVID deaths."
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"Vaccines were more effective at preventing infection or serious illness than natural immunity from prior infections before the delta variant became the dominant strain. After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger. This could be due in large part to the fact that vaccines began wearing off around the time delta spread, according to the study.
“Importantly, infection-derived protection was greater after the highly transmissible Delta variant became predominant,” reads the report, “coinciding with early declining of vaccine-induced immunity in many persons.”
kdvr.com
Amazing how wrong the experts have been, and how OFF BASE recommendations for proof of vaxx, etc have been.
"DENVER (KDVR) — Natural immunity was six times stronger during the delta wave than vaccination, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The report, published Jan. 19, analyzed COVID outcome data from New York and California, which make up about one in six of the nation’s total COVID deaths."
--
"Vaccines were more effective at preventing infection or serious illness than natural immunity from prior infections before the delta variant became the dominant strain. After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger. This could be due in large part to the fact that vaccines began wearing off around the time delta spread, according to the study.
“Importantly, infection-derived protection was greater after the highly transmissible Delta variant became predominant,” reads the report, “coinciding with early declining of vaccine-induced immunity in many persons.”
CDC: Natural immunity stronger than vaccines alone during delta wave
Natural immunity was six times stronger during the delta wave than vaccination, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
kdvr.com
Yes, but it's funny coming from you.
p.s. I wonder why the left wing trolls are just so much more clever than the right ones (which typically descended just into racism).
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
It's so odd that he keeps coming back with stuff like "I personally don't care if y'all get the vaccine or not." Who is he talking to? There's one guy on here that I know of who isn't vaxxed. The position you state above is pretty close to where everyone on Team Reality has been for quite some time.
The Karen is now on the other foot.....
Funny how this works. And yet they were and are demanding proof of vaxx in some parts of the country and some groups want them in more places.
Amazing how wrong the experts have been, and how OFF BASE recommendations for proof of vaxx, etc have been.
"DENVER (KDVR) — Natural immunity was six times stronger during the delta wave than vaccination, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The report, published Jan. 19, analyzed COVID outcome data from New York and California, which make up about one in six of the nation’s total COVID deaths."
--
"Vaccines were more effective at preventing infection or serious illness than natural immunity from prior infections before the delta variant became the dominant strain. After delta became the main strain, vaccines alone grew weaker against the virus and natural immunity got much stronger. This could be due in large part to the fact that vaccines began wearing off around the time delta spread, according to the study.
“Importantly, infection-derived protection was greater after the highly transmissible Delta variant became predominant,” reads the report, “coinciding with early declining of vaccine-induced immunity in many persons.”
CDC: Natural immunity stronger than vaccines alone during delta wave
Natural immunity was six times stronger during the delta wave than vaccination, according to a new report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Not sure where the "six times stronger" claim came from. From the report in question --
During the study period, COVID-19 incidence in both states was highest among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis compared with that among the other three groups. During the week beginning May 30, 2021, compared with COVID-19 case rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, COVID-19 case rates were 19.9-fold (California) and 18.4-fold (New York) lower among vaccinated persons without a previous diagnosis; 7.2-fold (California) and 9.9-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis; and 9.6-fold (California) and 8.5-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous COVID-19 diagnosis. During the same period, compared with hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, hospitalization rates in California followed a similar pattern. These relationships changed after the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant became predominant (i.e., accounted for >50% of sequenced isolates) in late June and July. By the week beginning October 3, compared with COVID-19 cases rates among unvaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis, case rates among vaccinated persons without a previous COVID-19 diagnosis were 6.2-fold (California) and 4.5-fold (New York) lower; rates were substantially lower among both groups with previous COVID-19 diagnoses, including 29.0-fold (California) and 14.7-fold lower (New York) among unvaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis, and 32.5-fold (California) and 19.8-fold lower (New York) among vaccinated persons with a previous diagnosis of COVID-19.