Vaccine

Desert Hound said:
That is not what kept delta alive.

I know you like to believe that. Delta spread everywhere in the world. High vaxxed countries, low vaxxed countries, etc.

The vaxxed still catch and spread the virus. The effectiveness of the vaxxes have dropped off dramatically which is why they are asking and hoping that a booster or 2 will do the trick.

With the Omicrom the vaxxes are not good at all vs stopping the spread or catching the virus. That is why you see cases rising dramatically in the vaxxed population.

The good?

The O so far seems to be a lot less severe.
Vaxxes seem to still help some people from getting seriously ill.

But your belief that it is the unvaxxed in the US that keeps the virus around is simply wishcasting on your part.

Right now the O is infecting everyone vaxxed or not. States in the east with some of the highest population vax rates are seeing large surges in cases. This is across the population as a whole.

Now reality is starting to set in. Other countries are starting to say well it is endemic we will just have to live with this. Now the WH and Biden are starting to come around to this thinking. They are also starting to think about moving the focus away from case numbers and focusing on the important part...severity.

From CNN.


A shift toward focusing on severity instead of case numbers
Some of Biden's advisers are encouraging the administration to begin discussing publicly how to live alongside a virus that shows no signs of disappearing, a potentially stark shift in messaging for a White House that once touted "freedom from the virus."
Steering public attention away from the total number of infections and toward serious cases only -- as some Biden advisers have encouraged -- could prove a challenge after nearly two years of intense focus on the pandemic's every up and down. It is a part of a growing conundrum that Biden faces as the Covid-19 pandemic refuses to abate.
"We're getting to the point now where ... it's about severity," said Xavier Becerra, the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, in a meeting with reporters this week. "It's not about cases. It's about severity."
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What could you do? It was all baked in.

Guess it was just bad luck that the bakery gave Arizona three times as many deaths as it gave Seattle, Portland, or the Bay Area.
 
espola said:
Looks like a reasonable response to a demonstrated risk.

As opposed to "You can't make me!"

Take your pick.

The radio in my car is sick, so all I can get is local AM stations. The other day, hunting for a signal, I dialed in a local host who was complaining that his relatives did not want him to come for the holidays because he has not been vaccinated. After calling them paranoid crazies, he went off on a long rant about Money! Power! Fauci!

This period in our history is going to be fertile ground for future Ph.D. papers in psychology.
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I think the only way some people are going be able get through this is hours of therapy

primarily the journos at Wapo, NYT, and the Atlantic

one guy at the Atlantic penned a dear diary piece about how he cancelled his birthday party because of Omicron.
 
Desert Hound said:
That is not what kept delta alive.

I know you like to believe that. Delta spread everywhere in the world. High vaxxed countries, low vaxxed countries, etc.

The vaxxed still catch and spread the virus. The effectiveness of the vaxxes have dropped off dramatically which is why they are asking and hoping that a booster or 2 will do the trick.

With the Omicrom the vaxxes are not good at all vs stopping the spread or catching the virus. That is why you see cases rising dramatically in the vaxxed population.

The good?

The O so far seems to be a lot less severe.
Vaxxes seem to still help some people from getting seriously ill.

But your belief that it is the unvaxxed in the US that keeps the virus around is simply wishcasting on your part.

Right now the O is infecting everyone vaxxed or not. States in the east with some of the highest population vax rates are seeing large surges in cases. This is across the population as a whole.

Now reality is starting to set in. Other countries are starting to say well it is endemic we will just have to live with this. Now the WH and Biden are starting to come around to this thinking. They are also starting to think about moving the focus away from case numbers and focusing on the important part...severity.

From CNN.


A shift toward focusing on severity instead of case numbers
Some of Biden's advisers are encouraging the administration to begin discussing publicly how to live alongside a virus that shows no signs of disappearing, a potentially stark shift in messaging for a White House that once touted "freedom from the virus."
Steering public attention away from the total number of infections and toward serious cases only -- as some Biden advisers have encouraged -- could prove a challenge after nearly two years of intense focus on the pandemic's every up and down. It is a part of a growing conundrum that Biden faces as the Covid-19 pandemic refuses to abate.
"We're getting to the point now where ... it's about severity," said Xavier Becerra, the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, in a meeting with reporters this week. "It's not about cases. It's about severity."
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they will stop counting cases until that next Florida surge #DeathSantis
 
Desert Hound said:
The vaxxed still catch and spread the virus. The effectiveness of the vaxxes have dropped off dramatically which is why they are asking and hoping that a booster or 2 will do the trick.
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Or 3 or 4 boosters for that matter. Lot's of tricks going on. I hope I can be free in this wonderful land we call home of the brave and land of the free. I want freedom. I can taste freedom. Were so close to basic human freedom for all.
 
Brav520 said:
I think the only way some people are going be able get through this is hours of therapy

primarily the journos at Wapo, NYT, and the Atlantic

one guy at the Atlantic penned a dear diary piece about how he cancelled his birthday party because of Omicron.
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Didn't he read the NYTimes? Just wear two masks. I heard that's better than a vaccine (or three).
 
dad4 said:
What could you do? It was all baked in.

Guess it was just bad luck that the bakery gave Arizona three times as many deaths as it gave Seattle, Portland, or the Bay Area.
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Any guess why Utah has done as well if not better than those areas doing the opposite of those area?

You can't.

The Delta wasn't going to vanish if every place in the US had done SF.

The omicron would still be spreading as well.

The virus isn't going anywhere.
 
dad4 said:
What could you do? It was all baked in.

Guess it was just bad luck that the bakery gave Arizona three times as many deaths as it gave Seattle, Portland, or the Bay Area.
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Brilliant. Just ignore the anarchy in the streets because you have a slightly better chance of not dying from Covid.
 
watfly said:
Brilliant. Just ignore the anarchy in the streets because you have a slightly better chance of not dying from Covid.
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Anarchy? You mean those screaming at retail store employees, school board members and airline employees because they don’t want to comply with the rules?
 
Here comes the swerve, marching orders from Biden admin( guess it’s better late than never! ) .

Brian Stelter-CNN

“We collectively took action to protect the elderly from Covid. Now, shouldn't we be doing more to protect children by letting them live normal lives? Or, to pose the Q another way, are we really going to close schools again and let kids suffer even more?”
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Anarchy? You mean those screaming at retail store employees, school board members and airline employees because they don’t want to comply with the rules?
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I was thinking of the actual criminal acts occurring that are being allowed by those mayors and their administrations.

If you've ever been in the customer service business, you'd realize that customers yelling at employees is not uncommon. Some people just lack common civility. Kind of like people who think its funny to call a woman the "c" word.
 
watfly said:
Brilliant. Just ignore the anarchy in the streets because you have a slightly better chance of not dying from Covid.
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We could just be honest about both. Left coast cities are doing a poor job of maintaining public order. Red states are doing a poor job of containing covid. Both mistakes are killing people.

There is no reason to be a partisan fanboy for either group.
 
dad4 said:
We could just be honest about both. Left coast cities are doing a poor job of maintaining public order. Red states are doing a poor job of containing covid. Both mistakes are killing people.

There is no reason to be a partisan fanboy for either group.
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Again you have to cherry pick states to make the case that red states are worse than blue states in terms of Covid. There is zero correlation let alone causation.
 
watfly said:
Again you have to cherry pick states to make the case that red states are worse than blue states in terms of Covid. There is zero correlation let alone causation.
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It’s has nothing to do with party. Masks and vaccines are useful. Inslee has done a good job promoting both. His party is irrelevant.

It’s a shame that so many people have decided that masks and vaccines are at all associated to a political party.
 
dad4 said:
It’s has nothing to do with party. Masks and vaccines are useful. Inslee has done a good job promoting both. His party is irrelevant.

It’s a shame that so many people have decided that masks and vaccines are at all associated to a political party.
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You were the one that made Covid about party, not me.
 
watfly said:
You were the one that made Covid about party, not me.
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You mean I pointed out that Arizona has done considerably worse than Seattle, Portland, and NorCal.

I should have included Salt Lake. That would have made it more clear that my point wasn't red/blue.

But, however you look at it, the people and policies of Phoenix, Vegas, Billings, and Boise have done a lot worse than the people and policies of Salt lake and the NW coast.
 
dad4 said:
You mean I pointed out that Arizona has done considerably worse than Seattle, Portland, and NorCal.

I should have included Salt Lake. That would have made it more clear that my point wasn't red/blue.

But, however you look at it, the people and policies of Phoenix, Vegas, Billings, and Boise have done a lot worse than the people and policies of Salt lake and the NW coast.
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Errr…don’t know if things changed after we left but the policies in Los Angeles were far stricter than salt lake at least summer/early fall 2020….night and day.

schools open, sports open, pool open, no outdoor masks, dining and bars open, in person worship.
 
Grace T. said:
Errr…don’t know if things changed after we left but the policies in Los Angeles were far stricter than salt lake at least summer/early fall 2020….night and day.

schools open, sports open, pool open, no outdoor masks, dining and bars open, in person worship.
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Are you comparing Salt Lake and LA taking all the differences into consideration?
 
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