Vaccine

Arizona has officially passed NY's Covid-19 death rate. Arizona has no excuse. It can't claim its constituents died before anyone knew how it was spread or who was most susceptible, or the effectiveness of masks, or the availability of vaccines, or even how stupid it is to rely on horse paste as a primary means of treatment. It's only a matter of time until idiotic FL also passes NY. Meanwhile NY and CA continue to possess among the lowest death rates since vaccines became available (and long before then also).

This one should not have trusted her immune system. It was her freedom to choose, and she chose poorly. So funny. Good thing natural immunity works better than vaccines when you don't count all of the people for whom it doesn't work better. Natural immunity is 100% better than the vaccine if you don't count the almost 800,000 Americans who have died, or the millions suffering long term consequences from getting Covid-19.


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...this is the equivalent of someone entering a room...farting and clearing the room. I'm out.
 
The veterans study is getting a lot of play in the media. The only really thing we can conclude is that there's a severe decline in the efficacy of all 3 unboosted vax (J&J being the most severe close to completely worthless) against symptomatic infection. The study didn't reach a conclusion on whether that decline is due to the Delta or because as the Israeli studies suggest the vaccine is declining in efficacy over time.

It's not enough to reach a conclusion, but it's another tick in favor that the vaccines (unless you are going to mandate boosters) won't get us to herd immunity, unless you are prepared to mandate boosters. As a policy matter we are rapidly heading to mandate boosters (and then the question is how long is boosted immunity going to be and if you are going to keep mandating it) or just accept this is going to keep spreading. As dad4 would point out, that leaves a substantial number of elderly that remain vulnerable (since efficacy in that age group against severe disease also seems to have declined), but the next best hope for that seems to be the boosters (which most first world countries seem to be doing but we don't yet have a lot of data for) and pills (which the health authorities at this point really need to fast track...why have those hearings been delayed as long as they have????)



 
The veterans study is getting a lot of play in the media. The only really thing we can conclude is that there's a severe decline in the efficacy of all 3 unboosted vax (J&J being the most severe close to completely worthless) against symptomatic infection. The study didn't reach a conclusion on whether that decline is due to the Delta or because as the Israeli studies suggest the vaccine is declining in efficacy over time.

It's not enough to reach a conclusion, but it's another tick in favor that the vaccines (unless you are going to mandate boosters) won't get us to herd immunity, unless you are prepared to mandate boosters. As a policy matter we are rapidly heading to mandate boosters (and then the question is how long is boosted immunity going to be and if you are going to keep mandating it) or just accept this is going to keep spreading. As dad4 would point out, that leaves a substantial number of elderly that remain vulnerable (since efficacy in that age group against severe disease also seems to have declined), but the next best hope for that seems to be the boosters (which most first world countries seem to be doing but we don't yet have a lot of data for) and pills (which the health authorities at this point really need to fast track...why have those hearings been delayed as long as they have????)



Pills to the rescue. Amazon pharmacy delivers to your door next or same day.
 
Pills to the rescue. Amazon pharmacy delivers to your door next or same day.

Yeah, but the FDA is really slow walking it. If it wasn't Pfizer I wouldn't be confident of approval at all. I'm a little surprised, for example, AZ was never approved and Novavax still hasn't been (which would solve a part of the reluctance to vaccinate issue as some people are just scared of the mRNA vaccines).
 
Yeah, but the FDA is really slow walking it. If it wasn't Pfizer I wouldn't be confident of approval at all. I'm a little surprised, for example, AZ was never approved and Novavax still hasn't been (which would solve a part of the reluctance to vaccinate issue as some people are just scared of the mRNA vaccines).
Another panel meets at the end of this month to review the Merck data. EUA will likely soon follow. Pfizer will be next in line. The US government has already penned a deal with Merck. The FDA needs to rubberstamp the pills.

Pills will be a game changer for the medical community. They don't carry the same stigma as the vaccines and are so much easier to administer. Pills still carry a stigma but not the divisive one the vaccines have. Silly if you think about it. The tech in the pfizer pill is newish as well but no one will complain. Their will not be mandate for a therapuetic. Jus that thought alone wil drive people to get it. Plenty of $$ to be made..
 
The veterans study is getting a lot of play in the media. The only really thing we can conclude is that there's a severe decline in the efficacy of all 3 unboosted vax (J&J being the most severe close to completely worthless) against symptomatic infection. The study didn't reach a conclusion on whether that decline is due to the Delta or because as the Israeli studies suggest the vaccine is declining in efficacy over time.

It's not enough to reach a conclusion, but it's another tick in favor that the vaccines (unless you are going to mandate boosters) won't get us to herd immunity, unless you are prepared to mandate boosters. As a policy matter we are rapidly heading to mandate boosters (and then the question is how long is boosted immunity going to be and if you are going to keep mandating it) or just accept this is going to keep spreading. As dad4 would point out, that leaves a substantial number of elderly that remain vulnerable (since efficacy in that age group against severe disease also seems to have declined), but the next best hope for that seems to be the boosters (which most first world countries seem to be doing but we don't yet have a lot of data for) and pills (which the health authorities at this point really need to fast track...why have those hearings been delayed as long as they have????)



I have to think enthusiasm for boosters will wane and they'll be taken at about the same level as the flu shot. Is there any reason to think otherwise? The good news is that maybe in a year or two children can move about without masks. So, we can look forward to that.
 
Age corrected data for overall covid deaths:


1Mississippi347355
2Texas261312
3Alabama315310
4Oklahoma288295
5Louisiana282293
6Tennessee283286
7New Jersey295284
7New York299284
9Arkansas284275
9Nevada260275
11Georgia240274
12District of Columbia226267
13South Carolina263256
13North Dakota267256
15Kentucky247250
16Arizona262249
16Indiana244249
18South Dakota262246
19Rhode Island269238
20Missouri245234


Of the 20 worst states, 16 fall into the “mask optional, vaccine optional, reopen early” camp.

Three of the other four are East coast states which got infected early and returned known covid patients to nursing homes.
Lotta red there.
 
Why do you assume that vaccinations is either 0% or 100% effective?

You have plenty of evidence that the actual answer is in the middle. You are well aware that the vaccine reduces but does not eliminate risks from covid. Yet you insist on putting forward the above argument, despite knowing that is is false.
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge, stupidity is knowing better but preceding anyways.
 
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