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Similarly if the Rs had nominated someone less polarizing than Trump in 2020 those suburban moderates wouldn't have been scared away. We saw that in the 2020 downballot gains from Rs. Same here in California (Newsom would still more than likely have won but having Elder be the alternative just made it easy). Big dilemma for them in 2024 will be how to keep Trump from running....he is getting up there in years and 3 years is a long time so maybe his health doesn't hold up is the best I can think of right now.
The GOP key is to be trumpy, but not too trumpy.
 
The GOP key is to be trumpy, but not too trumpy.
There is some truth to that. However, right now the Left's fixation with Trump is a bigger problem for Democrats than the Right's enthusiasm for Trump is a problem for Republicans. This could change as we get closer to 2024, but I hope not.
 
Absolutely heart breaking. Yet we want to mandate this vaccine for even younger children. I really wonder what the death count is for death by vaccine as compared to death by covid in children…

 
Similarly if the Rs had nominated someone less polarizing than Trump in 2020 those suburban moderates wouldn't have been scared away. We saw that in the 2020 downballot gains from Rs. Same here in California (Newsom would still more than likely have won but having Elder be the alternative just made it easy). Big dilemma for them in 2024 will be how to keep Trump from running....he is getting up there in years and 3 years is a long time so maybe his health doesn't hold up is the best I can think of right now.
So personality over policy? Says way more about those who voted this way than the candidate.
 
There is some truth to that. However, right now the Left's fixation with Trump is a bigger problem for Democrats than the Right's enthusiasm for Trump is a problem for Republicans. This could change as we get closer to 2024, but I hope not.
Wat Fly the fence sitter, you were so wrong about t. I understand why, i truly do. This Lion of a man was taking on a serious foe bro. Way back before 2016 to. Look who is getting the last laugh? Don;t pick a side dude, just go with, "We The People."
 
pssstt......here's a secret.....some people said the same thing when the old folks got vaccine eligible....goal post got moved (again) so what makes you think this is going to calm the hysterical 1/3

 
So personality over policy? Says way more about those who voted this way than the candidate.

My son actually just did this topic in his first debate scrimmage. They lost (got trounced by sophomores who had been doing it longer). It's the issue of whether character matters in politics. For some, Trump was just too much (ranging from vulgar to mean) despite the policy of the other side. It's not just a Trump thing....it came up the other way with Bill Clinton and Biden (though no one so far has come forward with definitive evidence he's involved in his son's shady business dealings)
 
My son actually just did this topic in his first debate scrimmage. They lost (got trounced by sophomores who had been doing it longer). It's the issue of whether character matters in politics. For some, Trump was just too much (ranging from vulgar to mean) despite the policy of the other side. It's not just a Trump thing....it came up the other way with Bill Clinton and Biden (though no one so far has come forward with definitive evidence he's involved in his son's shady business dealings)

So you have nothing on Biden but that's still good enough for you?
 
There is some truth to that. However, right now the Left's fixation with Trump is a bigger problem for Democrats than the Right's enthusiasm for Trump is a problem for Republicans. This could change as we get closer to 2024, but I hope not.
More personality over policy nonsense.

Let me try it this way by combining the two. Trump had a very clear record. Given his extensive list of policies and accomplishments, specifically where on that list, in order of importance to you, would you rank his personality and mean tweets?
 
More personality over policy nonsense.

Let me try it this way by combining the two. Trump had a very clear record. Given his extensive list of policies and accomplishments, specifically where on that list, in order of importance to you, would you rank his personality and mean tweets?

US Presidential elections are a binary process. US Presidents are also a representative of, for better or worse, the character and stature of the nation. I think records are more important, but character counts too. Whether that's enough to cost or gain my vote depends on who the other side puts up against him. I'd prefer to have someone else in 2024 for the simple reason that I can guess on the likely D choice and I'd rather have someone with good policy and good character beat that D choice. The reality is, whether you agree or not, Trump is poison for many people, like my mom or my writer friend, both of whom are lifelong Rs, but are both NeverTrumpers.
 
I comprehended your "not competent to discuss" part, after which you went right ahead anyway and ended with a mathematical conclusion. Show your work.

You'r comprehension failed when I explained it wasn't a mathematical conclusion. There are different ways to analyze the problem. Between EvilGalie and I, one of us has specific training in evaluating evidence (hint: it's not him) but we can both do it, though in different ways based on our training, each of which is equally valid.
 
You'r comprehension failed when I explained it wasn't a mathematical conclusion. There are different ways to analyze the problem. Between EvilGalie and I, one of us has specific training in evaluating evidence (hint: it's not him) but we can both do it, though in different ways based on our training, each of which is equally valid.

So the words "probability" and "orders of magnitude" have no meanings to lawyers?
 
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