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Grace T. said:
Your "competent professionals" are volunteers looking at the marks and trying to decide whether an indentation was decided one way or another with two lawyers screaming in their ears. If you actually made them "professionals" they'd be captured just like any other groups pulling a salary.

I actually agree with most of your recommendations but note that with the extreme polarization these days, even supposedly "independent" boards like the Fed, the NLRB, or even the SEC are not really "independent" but are captured by interest groups and parties. Even supposedly non-partisan school boards are captured by either pro-union or anti-union candidates these days.

I also don't agree the US is "fine" given the margins several recent races have fallen in...a little fraud is enough to tilt the system....and given now what's going on with the school boards its become even more vital since the margins in those contested elections can be tight (again, my friend lost by less than 40 votes to the union candidate).

These wouldn't be an issue but for the extreme polarization of the country which is pulling the politicians in the two directions...otherwise you wouldn't see the impact that you do in the Senate which has no gerrymandering. Yet we only have maybe 7 true centrist senators, and of those 7 most of them are captured by special interests (Manchin/Murkowski) and/or are among the worst of the worst when it comes to politicians (Romney).
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Fair enough on the competent profs, but I'll take people who know what they are doing versus the crap in AZ recently, as I mentioned.

I don't have a problem with close races. In fact, I'd prefer if every race in every state was close. That would be a far better solution and would drive politicians to the center rather than the extremes, as now.

I'd suggest that the Senate is implicitly undemocratic. It was fine when there were 13 colonies and a relatively small number of people, but when a voter in WY has 60 times the power as a voter in CA, that's problematic to me. The counter balance intent of the Senate, as originally setup, has pivoted the other way.
 
whatithink said:
Fair enough on the competent profs, but I'll take people who know what they are doing versus the crap in AZ recently, as I mentioned.

I don't have a problem with close races. In fact, I'd prefer if every race in every state was close. That would be a far better solution and would drive politicians to the center rather than the extremes, as now.

I'd suggest that the Senate is implicitly undemocratic. It was fine when there were 13 colonies and a relatively small number of people, but when a voter in WY has 60 times the power as a voter in CA, that's problematic to me. The counter balance intent of the Senate, as originally setup, has pivoted the other way.
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The Senate was originally appointed by the states. It's job in the original Constitution was to act as a representative of the states. It was supposed to be undemocratic. It's job was to check the democratic house since democracy does not necessarily equal liberty (see article below).

The 17th amendment, which grew out of the populist movement of the early 20th century and was passed in 1913, made it directly elected. That had some consequences, both good and bad. The good is during the Gilded Age the Senate had become corrupt with mediocre men (no longer of the intellect of men like Webster) who bought their way to the Senate relying heavily on the machine politics which had arisen. The bad is that the states were supposed to be cosovereign with the federal government under the Constitution and now had no direct representation in that system....that was fine and dandy during WWII when the federal government assumed preeminence for the war and during the emergency of the Great Depression, but the concept of an absolutist federal government hasn't sat well over the years (again, see the current tensions between the Biden admin and Florida over COVID policy, or imagine if Trump had the power to order California and NY to open up during the worst of the pandemic).

I think, if the Great Sorting really is happening and it's not limited to a handful of idealogues like Ben Shapiro, federalism is probably the only thing which saves the Union at this point (if you disagree think of the freak that would happen if Trump actually won reelection in 2024...I didn't think that would happen but I think it's moved to a more than zero probability proposition now). If so, in order to preserve liberty and the Union, it might be useful to have less democracy in the Senate, not more of it.
 
whatithink said:
I'd suggest that the Senate is implicitly undemocratic. It was fine when there were 13 colonies and a relatively small number of people, but when a voter in WY has 60 times the power as a voter in CA, that's problematic to me. The counter balance intent of the Senate, as originally setup, has pivoted the other way.
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Grace T. said:
The Senate was originally appointed by the states. It's job in the original Constitution was to act as a representative of the states. It was supposed to be undemocratic. It's job was to check the democratic house since democracy does not necessarily equal liberty (see article below).

I think, if the Great Sorting really is happening and it's not limited to a handful of idealogues like Ben Shapiro, federalism is probably the only thing which saves the Union at this point (if you disagree think of the freak that would happen if Trump actually won reelection in 2024...I didn't think that would happen but I think it's moved to a more than zero probability proposition now). If so, in order to preserve liberty and the Union, it might be useful to have less democracy in the Senate, not more of it.
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Better than I could have said it, Grace.

If the concern is the "undemocratic" Senate, move power from the federal level to the state level and it becomes less "problematic" and more democratic as power moves closer to the individual.
 
Brav520 said:
Wow

NSBA in a letter tonight apologizes for labeling concerned parents as potentially domestic terrorist, which Garland admitted was the reason he had his DOJ start looking into them

we found some resistance !
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Wow, indeed. See the part below where they consulted with the Biden White House officials on the language to be used? Power is a hell of a drug.

www.yahoo.com

National School Boards Association Apologizes for Letter Comparing Parents to Terrorists

The National School Boards Association has apologized for a letter that called on the Biden administration to investigate whether alleged threats against school-board members constituted domestic terrorism.
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“As you all know, there has been extensive media and other attention recently around our letter to President Biden regarding threats and acts of violence against school board members,” the memorandum states. “On behalf of NSBA, we regret and apologize for this letter. . . . There was no justification for some of the language included in this letter.”

The apology comes after emails obtained by the nonprofit Parents Defending Education, first reported by the Free Beacon, showed that the NSBA consulted with White House officials on language to be used in the September 29 letter.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Wow, indeed. See the part below where they consulted with the Biden White House officials on the language to be used? Power is a hell of a drug.

www.yahoo.com

National School Boards Association Apologizes for Letter Comparing Parents to Terrorists

The National School Boards Association has apologized for a letter that called on the Biden administration to investigate whether alleged threats against school-board members constituted domestic terrorism.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

“As you all know, there has been extensive media and other attention recently around our letter to President Biden regarding threats and acts of violence against school board members,” the memorandum states. “On behalf of NSBA, we regret and apologize for this letter. . . . There was no justification for some of the language included in this letter.”

The apology comes after emails obtained by the nonprofit Parents Defending Education, first reported by the Free Beacon, showed that the NSBA consulted with White House officials on language to be used in the September 29 letter.
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whatithink said:
Fair enough on the competent profs, but I'll take people who know what they are doing versus the crap in AZ recently, as I mentioned.

I don't have a problem with close races. In fact, I'd prefer if every race in every state was close. That would be a far better solution and would drive politicians to the center rather than the extremes, as now.

I'd suggest that the Senate is implicitly undemocratic. It was fine when there were 13 colonies and a relatively small number of people, but when a voter in WY has 60 times the power as a voter in CA, that's problematic to me. The counter balance intent of the Senate, as originally setup, has pivoted the other way.
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If we didn't have a senate, the larger states would run rough shod over the smaller states.

The reason why we have a senate today is maybe even more important than before.

The 17th amendment did more harm than good.

Now the senate is less responsive to their state which has in turn helped the fed gov grow.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Wow, indeed. See the part below where they consulted with the Biden White House officials on the language to be used? Power is a hell of a drug.

www.yahoo.com

National School Boards Association Apologizes for Letter Comparing Parents to Terrorists

The National School Boards Association has apologized for a letter that called on the Biden administration to investigate whether alleged threats against school-board members constituted domestic terrorism.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

“As you all know, there has been extensive media and other attention recently around our letter to President Biden regarding threats and acts of violence against school board members,” the memorandum states. “On behalf of NSBA, we regret and apologize for this letter. . . . There was no justification for some of the language included in this letter.”

The apology comes after emails obtained by the nonprofit Parents Defending Education, first reported by the Free Beacon, showed that the NSBA consulted with White House officials on language to be used in the September 29 letter.
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...replace Biden with Trump and image the responses/coverage.
 
I wonder what happens when they pass a higher min wage? Bulluer?

THE AUTOMATION OF McJOBS: I just saw these statistics on Wikipedia: In 2013, McDonald’s had 35,429 locations, a net income of $5,586 million and 440,000 employees. In 2019, it had 38,695 locations (more locations!), a net income of $6025 million (more profit!), and 205,000 employees (less than half as many employees!).
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Foaming at the mouth, babbling gibberish, drunk at the end of the bar going on about some fantasy in their heads kinda thing (or fantasy some opportunist put there), be my guest, hear’em out . . . meanwhile back in reality there is business to do and all the silly fools insisting they get their 15 minutes just slows down progress.
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Who's talking about being drunk? Discourse should be allowed. Your opinion (and our government's opinion) about something shouldn't stand in the way of a US citizen communicating their displeasure about something their local government, club, is doing. You can label it what you want.

I take it your fine with the DOJ contemplating investigating parents in VA as domestic terrorists? What is the DOJ and the local government/board in VA scared of?
 
what-happened said:
Who's talking about being drunk? Discourse should be allowed. Your opinion (and our government's opinion) about something shouldn't stand in the way of a US citizen communicating their displeasure about something their local government, club, is doing. You can label it what you want.

I take it your fine with the DOJ labeling parents in VA as domestic terrorists? What is the DOJ and the local government/board in VA scared of?
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What are they scared of? Let's ignore the intentional disruption of meetings and start with the death threats.
 
Brav520 said:
the left sees no difference between an actual terrorist and someone speaking against CRT at a school board meeting . It’s all the same to them
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Speaking out is one thing. Causing the meeting to be canceled because of criminal behavior is not.

And, in your opinion, what is CRT?
 
espola said:
Speaking out is one thing. Causing the meeting to be canceled because of criminal behavior is not.

And, in your opinion, what is CRT?
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well it’s pretty broad now , it’s under the guise of diversity and inclusion now

Why is the anti CRT message winning , considering every lever of power is controlled by the left ( at federal level) , all cultural institutions controlled by the left, and they are all pushing for this?
 
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