Which also cues all the references to quacks on Twitter....I still can't read a @Grace T. post here without remembering some of the links she would send out trying to support her argument. Hard to forget those.
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Which also cues all the references to quacks on Twitter....I still can't read a @Grace T. post here without remembering some of the links she would send out trying to support her argument. Hard to forget those.
I've had a hard time believing that one person could get so many things wrong day after day, unless she has a staff working for her.
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Yeah, let's let less than 0.1% of the population decide what we are allowed to do on a daily basis. Paternalism and elitism under the guise of "policies that protect".
kickingandscreaming
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Which ones?
K & S, if you truly know me, you know it was my Elitist bloodline that had evil tricks up their sleeves for me before my conception and birth. It was all planned for the "Golden Lamb." Sick shit bro that I would never make up. It's worth repeating to help those who think physical only and this life is it and they just die and no more soul. Nope, way more to life then then going back to the ground. The life I know to be true is amazing, I promise. You see, we were all slaves to the masters of this world and those masters are trying to get everyone jabbed. This is a once in a lifetime chance to choose love and goodness over hate, fear and evil. No ifs and or butts about that. Control monsters that have no heart. They do have eternal soul and they already know death is not the end of nothing, only the beginning of eternity. Humans have no clue and are just scared to die. My bloodline was up to no good from what I was told by my foster parents and the research I did. Free Masons, Scottish Rite kind of family with 33 degrees and a list of evil that even, eye, yes me, can get a little spooked by. However, I know the truth and like I have said 100 times, I have had more than 9 lives on this short 55 years on planet earth. I not scared of death and have zero fear of it or the virus. No fear. I think that bugs people who are Science Magicians and trick people with half truths or no truth but they just say it;s true. If i told you everything I know to be true, you would either not believe me like Espola, believe like EOTL and support 80,000,000 abortions from the Plan for the Parent in the Hood or you just might not want to talk with me at all because these discussions can make one feel uneasy or even puke when they find the F out WTF is really going on. No one is going to escape the truth. Its what you do with the truth that matters. I spook some folks. I call them as I see them and I'm not always right. Question everything but if your going to open your mouth, you Best, Better be Great at answering those with super deep spiritual questions about what's after death and how can I prepare for IT.
Often times, yes, they are out of touch with the real world because they live in a controlled environment where they can control variables. They are well meaning but are often not subject to the negative impacts of their own conclusions. In the real world variables can't be controlled. They do provide valuable input and it should be considered to some extent, but they shouldn't solely be relied on. However, during the pandemic we've continued to ignore doctors who were treating Covid patients and having successful results but were ignored because some study didn't have similar results in their controlled study. We've ignored small business owners who were super creative in providing safe places yet were still shut down. We also ignored small business owners who said if you pay people for not working they will have trouble getting employees (this is a huge problem right now and is stifling recovery). We ignored small property owners who couldn't evict their non-paying tenants and have been forced to either sell the property or are now in default on the mortgage.
I've mentioned this before, but I used to give expert witness testimony. We always loved it when the "expert" on the other side was a professor because we knew their opinion would always be theoretical, and rarely related to what actually happened. So yes I'm incredibly skeptical of those that only have education and not real world experience.
The last I checked, medical professionals still go out to dinner, send their kids to school, and have families. They suffered in exactly the same way as the rest of us. When schools were closed, epidemiologists’ kids were stuck on zoom like everyone else.
We do have elected officials to represent us in this. Your complaint is that, after talking to the experts, your elected officials did not do what you wanted.
Get in line. Elected officials don’t always do what I want either.
Excellent take Wat Fly and you have first hand experience. You seem to like the truth and I bet like to watch people lie under oath and squirm like a little worm, like when a video camera, lights & action and when lot's of questions are pepper sprayed. Even the best liar will get his ass handed to him on cross examination with email and texts attached. The Truth & Justice Train is coming for us all! Stop lying, cheating, bribing, blackmailing, black list, intimidate or whatever you do to win and look good. If your in high places of leadership, do not give out false or deadly misinformation during a war. Trust me on this one you guys. I care about all of you and your being watched big time. Nuremberg Code is a Law for ALL humans. It's basic human rights 101.
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Let me fix that for you.
When schools were closed FOR NO REASON IN STATES LIKE CA, epidemiologists' kids were stuck on zoom like everyone else.
Hound, unfortunately their is a reason for all this and it's not good.
That’s funny considering my record…it’s even funnier considering your record
No offense, but that's conditioning, not informed consent, and I find it incredibly sad.
And I agree, I don't care about adults having to wear masks, big deal. However, the negative impacts of having to wear a mask for children far outweigh the risks of Covid, and its not the children's responsibility to protect adults from Covid. That's the adults responsibility.
Thank you for being a teacher.
No reason, other than trying to avoid a hospital shit show like they had in Arizona.
You see, if CA had the same per capita covid death rate as AZ, an additional 36,000 people would have died.
36,000 extra deaths is what those ivory tower elitists call “a bad thing”.
The opposite argument which is thrown around by people in your camp is we should “trust the experts”. There are several issues with “trust the experts” such as their experiences are limited by being from the same background, they have similar political tendencies, they are subject to group think, there’s a tendency towards comformity both from societal pressure in your peer group and impacts on career advancement, it breeds an arrogance that they know better and should not be questioned by outsiders. But the 2008 financial crash is a good example about why experts fail and they can be shown up by picky groups of outsiders with a contrarian streak. We’ve seen it in other fields too, most recently the Afghanistan debacle.
Dad, your sounding a lot like EOTL.......I think your EOTL.
Dude is all over you Grace. I wonder why Espola, EOTL and Dad 4 have it for you?
How many payroll checks have you missed in the last 18 months? How many people have you attempted to hire in the last 18 months? How many rent checks did you try to collect in the last 18 months? Just get in line? This is the exact arrogance that I'm referring to.
Now admittedly relative to everyone else our family did great during Covid, in part because we took a common sense approach to Covid and not a fear based approach. I was really lucky too because business was great. However, many were much less fortunate. Mostly children because of the burdens we put on them, because adults couldn't handle their own business.
Right now we can't open our youth services club houses to full capacity, because we can't get employees due to the overly generous unemployment benefits. We serve underprivileged kids, they are now left without a safe place to go to after school.
We need to stop making decisions based solely on the opinions of "experts" and start considering the input of stakeholders.
Trusting the experts may be bad, but the alternative is worse.
What is happening right now in places where every individual decides for themself whether masks work and whether vaccines work?
The current death rate in those states is about five times the death rate in the “follow the experts” states.
Let’s review some of my record:
-China would be unable to contain covid
-trump minimizing the covid threat in state of the union
-first on these forums to say we have an issue, mic would be canceled, soccer shut down
-predicted lockdowns nearly a month before they happened (had a full closet of tp)
-predicted the stock market crash (though I concede I didn’t think the recovery would be as advanced)
-advised kiddos school that they’d be shut down..they were ready to go remote day 1
-said 14 days to slow spread was nonsense
-said lockdowns would be proven to be much less effective than expected unless they were hardcore Australian lockdowns.
-thought masks indoors were a good idea, thought the cloth masks would be proven to have minimal effectiveness
-thought masks outdoors and outdoor restrictions were idiotic and would be proven counter productive
-thought masks being better than vaccines was radical oversell
-though schools closed in fall/sports closed were unwarranted and were lower risk give. The cost
-thought there would be a s show of an election
-predicted a very harsh winter wave (on which dad4 and I concurred)
-predicted political violence after the election
-predicted the current inflationary pressures
-said tx Florida removal of restrictions wouldn’t lead to an increase
-said something was up in India which would turn into a more severe global wave
-predicted Asia would go through a much more severe delta wave
-predicted the office reopening in SoCal would be delayed
-warned of the vaccine mandates and coming fight
-concurred with dad 4 about the delta wave but I argued it would be here earlier than fall
the biggest thing I got wrong was in summer 2020 that there might be a threshold where T cell immunity might reduce the level of contagion (though I still think it was part of the answer in Asia with covid prime). What about Espolas record
Yeah I wonder…hmmm???