Game fixing

The funniest thing about this whole game is all of the trolls here, that had nothing to do with the game that was played, complaining. Sounds like a lot of people with hidden agendas. The true issue was that they were even holding the game in that heat. Kudos to both teams in finding a legal way to expend as little energy as possible while still advancing.
 
texanincali said:
So professional teams are required to actually play - but only because of betting lines?
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I expect because they are professionals and paid to play.

I also expect if they did this and won the tournament they would be hailed as heroes.
 
Zoro said:
I expect because they are professionals and paid to play.

I also expect if they did this and won the tournament they would be hailed as heroes.
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You are quite obviously a WUM and quite honestly it is like debating my 6 year old about politics.

The fact that you saw nothing wrong with the way that match played out, quite frankly, speaks volumes about you. Also, the fact that you are at all involved in this game, especially at the youth level is quite worrisome.

Good day.
 
It happens when your kid or the win is more important than the game, morality, right and wrong, truth, fairness, and sportmanship. It happens when God becomes god and the blind lead the blind.
 
texanincali said:
You are quite obviously a WUM and quite honestly it is like debating my 6 year old about politics.

The fact that you saw nothing wrong with the way that match played out, quite frankly, speaks volumes about you. Also, the fact that you are at all involved in this game, especially at the youth level is quite worrisome.

Good day.
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What is a WUM?
 
Not quite sure how one's playing style (within rules) is now about morality, right and wrong...
 
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I kick the ball down the field, and people complain because I don't pass enough.

My teammates and I pass the ball 64 times, and people complain because we don't kick the ball down the field enough.
 
Zoro said:
Not quite sure how one's playing style (within rules) is now about morality, right and wrong...
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It obviously goes against the spirit of the game as evidenced by USYS statement

"US Youth Soccer will review its policies and make any necessary alterations to ensure this type of display doesn’t happen in the future". That's the BS the academy is trying to do away with.
 
How many people on this forum were the ones hauling themselves up and down the field in the Texas heat? Our kids play too many games, and tournaments put those games too close together. Through strong play the two previous days, the 17 and 18 year old players that actually were on the field had put themselves into a position where the game was meaningless to them. They also probably know more about the game of soccer than most of those posting. Those who were not on the field yet still feel the need to denigrate those who were should maybe get a life and move along.
 
outside! said:
How many people on this forum were the ones hauling themselves up and down the field in the Texas heat? Our kids play too many games, and tournaments put those games too close together. Through strong play the two previous days, the 17 and 18 year old players that actually were on the field had put themselves into a position where the game was meaningless to them. They also probably know more about the game of soccer than most of those posting. Those who were not on the field yet still feel the need to denigrate those who were should maybe get a life and move along.
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You make a good point. When these girls go away to college next year, they will NEVER again play 2 or 3 games in a day. And I don't think they'll ever play a game on back to back days.
Sure, it's cool to crown a "champion" but why do we expect "kids" to be able to perform at their peak across 3 games in 24-48 hours when we don't ask the same of adults.
 
iliv said:
It obviously goes against the spirit of the game as evidenced by USYS statement

"US Youth Soccer will review its policies and make any necessary alterations to ensure this type of display doesn’t happen in the future". That's the BS the academy is trying to do away with.
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But, the only one they say needs to change is USYS (policy). There was nothing directed at the teams in that statement.
The fix would be to make each game a knockout game. Still, get way ahead and players can back off.
 
Let's play this game.

USYSA implements a new rule. That new rule states that "if two teams are guaranteed to meet in the finals (or advance to the next round) and are scheduled to play in the final group game, then both teams may agree to NOT play the final group game."

Question for you...would the game we have been discussing still have to be played or not?

This exact scenario happened in the final group game in the U13 girls. SoCal Blues and Solar were both guaranteed spots in the final. What did they do? They played the game, utilizing players that hadn't seen much time, in the blazing Texas heat...and they were 12 and 13 year old girls.

The young ones can handle it, but the big girls can't.

You have tuned this entire debate into a joke.

WUM = Wind Up Merchant or someone who takes opposing sides to a debate just for fun - no matter how ridiculous their stance is.
 
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Zoro said:
But, the only one they say needs to change is USYS (policy). There was nothing directed at the teams in that statement.
The fix would be to make each game a knockout game. Still, get way ahead and players can back off.
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Nothing directed towards the teams? Ok, I'll bite again. According to the USYS statement,

"we believe the strategy of the coaches in this game failed their players, the competition and the principles of sportsmanship and fair play".

That was one line above what I previously quoted. Pretty darn clear what USYS thinks of their play.
 
texanincali said:
Let's play this game.

USYSA implements a new rule. That new rule states that "if two teams are guaranteed to meet in the finals and are scheduled to play in the final group game, then both teams may agree to NOT play the final group game."

Question for you...would the game we have been discussing still have to be played or not?

This exact scenario happened in the final group game in the U13 girls. SoCal Blues and Solar were both guaranteed spots in the final. What did they do? They played the game, utilizing players that hadn't seen much time, in the blazing Texas heat...and they were 12 and 13 year old girls.

The young ones can handle it, but the big girls can't.

You have tuned this entire debate into a joke.

WUM = Wind Up Merchant or someone who takes opposing sides to a debate just for fun - no matter how ridiculous their stance is.
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The teams have to do whatever the rules are to win the hardware. If those were the new rules - and those teams were guaranteed to be in the finals, then no.
But you said the two teams we are discussing. Both were not in that situation, which is why only one made it to the finals.

WUM - I enjoy a discussion and I try to answer. My "side" has been for the near decade I've been on this site that teams should play to win and use the rules and the laws. I officiated for a decade too - started adult and did U8 and in between. Games are officiated differently by age and/or skill. If this happened in an AYSO U10 - I'd stop the game. AYSO is rec. This was a piece on the way to the National Finals.

To me the part that is a tell that posters are parents of players, not at the G18 finalist level, is the moralization of actions totally within the rules.
Wrong things would be purposely - falsifying information, using ineligible players, hurting others, which are regular occurrences. Equating not playing hard enough to right and wrong is a stretch for me.

It may be hard / not fun to watch, but a stretch to attach player or coach character to. Both my kids had to and have to balance, as I expect yours do. That means sometimes they do not try their hardest. If my son had a guaranteed A in a class he might not do an assignment, and do something else.
 
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iliv said:
Nothing directed towards the teams? Ok, I'll bite again. According to the USYS statement,

"we believe the strategy of the coaches in this game failed their players, the competition and the principles of sportsmanship and fair play".

That was one line above what I previously quoted. Pretty darn clear what USYS thinks of their play.
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My response was to the quote. You can tell because I said "in that statement."
Meaning the one you wrote and I quoted.

My original opinion on page early was there was nothing that would be done to those teams. I gave the opinion it was not nice to watch and my wife didn't like it.

I also asked a few times what should be done about it and under what grounds.
So far nobody has responded to that. USYS isn't doing anything to the teams that I have heard about. If they do, it is just not what I expected. I doubt anything will happen as there are no grounds for it (that I am aware of).
 
Zoro said:
My response was to the quote. You can tell because I said "in that statement."
Meaning the one you wrote and I quoted.

My original opinion on page early was there was nothing that would be done to those teams. I gave the opinion it was not nice to watch and my wife didn't like it.

I also asked a few times what should be done about it and under what grounds.
So far nobody has responded to that. USYS isn't doing anything to the teams that I have heard about. If they do, it is just not what I expected. I doubt anything will happen as there are no grounds for it (that I am aware of).
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You are absolutely right. From Laws of the game standpoint, nothing was done wrong in this game. There is nothing anyone can do about it, except changing Laws or Bylaws of the competition in the future.
However the discussion is not about that, it's about moral side of the story and coaches who allowed this to happen.
 
Surfref said:
The game should not have been played in in that level of heat.
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^^^ Yes, this! ^^^^^

There are heat policies on the USYS site that acknowledge the heat danger of activities. Why, in a complex with 12+ fields, are games being scheduled in groups of five at 1:30 pm?
 
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