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So everyone at that speech has been vaccinated. Why exactly are they all wearing masks?

Shouldn't the message be once vaccinated all is good?

And yet you have a roomful of people all vaccinated wearing masks.
 
Desert Hound said:
So everyone at that speech has been vaccinated. Why exactly are they all wearing masks?

Shouldn't the message be once vaccinated all is good?

And yet you have a roomful of people all vaccinated wearing masks.
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Have you completed your assignment of writing a description of how vaccines work?
 
Desert Hound said:
There has only been one person on my ignore list and that was EOTL. I can deal with disagreement on a forum. I get tired of assholes.
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EOTL is Espola or Espola is EOTL. He was also Messy and a few others. Divider of the country is his purpose. You see, when these losers lose and losers always lose, they do what all losers do. See meme pic for Espoal and his 6 other avatars. Big baby!!!

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espola said:
Have you completed your assignment of writing a description of how vaccines work?
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Did you bother to look at the underlying data in the link I posted?

You may not like the author and apparently the press doesn't either. But I notice none of the criticism of him related to the actual studies he referred to. He didn't didn't do the studies on mask effectiveness. He posted the results of those mask studies. The main thrust of his own study/theory was related to what he thought were the bad effects of masks. I didn't talk about those.

So if you go back and look at that article when he talks about masks and their effectiveness, he provides footnotes (links) to the actual studies.

You didn't bother looking at those. Nor for that matter did the links that had criticism of the author itself.

It is a lazy way to disagree with someone. Find something about the person you don't like and focus on that. That then provides the excuse to ignore the data he talks about that comes from other sources.
 
Desert Hound said:
Did you bother to look at the underlying data in the link I posted?

You may not like the author and apparently the press doesn't either. But I notice none of the criticism of him related to the actual studies he referred to. He didn't didn't do the studies on mask effectiveness. He posted the results of those mask studies. The main thrust of his own study/theory was related to what he thought were the bad effects of masks. I didn't talk about those.

So if you go back and look at that article when he talks about masks and their effectiveness, he provides footnotes (links) to the actual studies.

You didn't bother looking at those. Nor for that matter did the links that had criticism of the author itself.

It is a lazy way to disagree with someone. Find something about the person you don't like and focus on that. That then provides the excuse to ignore the data he talks about that comes from other sources.
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Lazy? I posted quotes from and links to several articles that showed the shortcomings of von Numbnuts' ramblings. In addition to a devastatingly complete contradiction of his opinion was disclosure of his dishonesty about his credentials and the weakness of the Medical Hypotheses journal itself - anything can be published there as long as it has the appearance of a proper scientific article. His description of "the bad effects of masks" contains no supporting evidence other than his own speculation.

Have you completed your assignment of writing a description of how vaccines work?
 
espola said:
Lazy? I posted quotes from and links to several articles that showed the shortcomings of von Numbnuts' ramblings. In addition to a devastatingly complete contradiction of his opinion was disclosure of his dishonesty about his credentials and the weakness of the Medical Hypotheses journal itself - anything can be published there as long as it has the appearance of a proper scientific article. His description of "the bad effects of masks" contains no supporting evidence other than his own speculation.

Have you completed your assignment of writing a description of how vaccines work?
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You have this from the WHO from December https://www.who.int/publications/i/...of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)-outbreak

On page 4 you get this tidbit:

Evidence on the use of mask in health care settings Systematic reviews have reported that the use of N95/P2 respirators compared with the use of medical masks (see mask definitions, above) is not associated with statistically significant differences for the outcomes of health workers acquiring clinical respiratory illness, influenza-like illness

Then you have this from the EU version of the CDC.

What did they say?

"The role of face masks in the control and prevention of COVID-19 remains an issue of debate. Prior to COVID-19, most studies assessing the effectiveness of face masks as a protective measure in the community came from studies on influenza, which provided little evidence to support their use."

"Evidence for the effectiveness of non-medical face masks, face shields/visors and respirators in the community is scarce and of very low certainty. Additional high-quality studies are needed to assess the relevance of the use of medical face masks in the COVID-19 pandemic."

www.ecdc.europa.eu

Considerations for the use of face masks in the community in the context of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant of concern

This document provides an update to and complements the ECDC technical report on “Using face masks in the community: first update - Effectiveness in reducing transmission of COVID-19” published on 15 February 2021.
www.ecdc.europa.eu www.ecdc.europa.eu
 
Desert Hound said:
You have this from the WHO from December https://www.who.int/publications/i/...of-the-novel-coronavirus-(2019-ncov)-outbreak

On page 4 you get this tidbit:

Evidence on the use of mask in health care settings Systematic reviews have reported that the use of N95/P2 respirators compared with the use of medical masks (see mask definitions, above) is not associated with statistically significant differences for the outcomes of health workers acquiring clinical respiratory illness, influenza-like illness

Then you have this from the EU version of the CDC.

What did they say?

"The role of face masks in the control and prevention of COVID-19 remains an issue of debate. Prior to COVID-19, most studies assessing the effectiveness of face masks as a protective measure in the community came from studies on influenza, which provided little evidence to support their use."

"Evidence for the effectiveness of non-medical face masks, face shields/visors and respirators in the community is scarce and of very low certainty. Additional high-quality studies are needed to assess the relevance of the use of medical face masks in the COVID-19 pandemic."

www.ecdc.europa.eu

Considerations for the use of face masks in the community in the context of the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant of concern

This document provides an update to and complements the ECDC technical report on “Using face masks in the community: first update - Effectiveness in reducing transmission of COVID-19” published on 15 February 2021.
www.ecdc.europa.eu www.ecdc.europa.eu
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You can pick out sentences here and there in those articles, but the overall thrust of both is to support the use of masks by the general population since that has been shown to slow the spread of the disease.

Have you completed your assignment of writing a description of how vaccines work?
 
happy9 said:
I have a hard time understanding how someone can easily cast aside the health and welfare of an entire group of people. We can walk and chew gum. Is 2-3K cases a day a load that the healthcare system can't tolerate? How many asymptomatic cases are a percentage of 2-3K a day?

I'm not really looking for a response from you, we see this through different lenses.
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You realize that this phrase applies in both directions?

You wonder how I can care so little about bar owners, waitresses, and hotel maids.

I wonder how you can care so little about the elderly, the overweight, and the immunocompromised.

I just hope enough of us get the vaccine that it all becomes moot.
 
dad4 said:
You realize that this phrase applies in both directions?

You wonder how I can care so little about bar owners, waitresses, and hotel maids.

I wonder how you can care so little about the elderly, the overweight, and the immunocompromised.

I just hope enough of us get the vaccine that it all becomes moot.
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Key difference being, choice.
Bar Owners, Waitresses and Hotel Maids didn’t have a choice about loosing their income. That was forced upon them to protect a small part of the population.

That small part of the population, the Elderly, Overweight (definitely a self treatable condition) and the Immunocompromised all could have chosen to stay at home, have the community help support their needs and/or protect themselves should they need to leave their protected spaces.

Saved the Tax Payers TRILLIONS of dollars.
 
espola said:
You can pick out sentences here and there in those articles, but the overall thrust of both is to support the use of masks by the general population since that has been shown to slow the spread of the disease.

Have you completed your assignment of writing a description of how vaccines work?
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I agree they still want people to wear masks. Both recommend.

But at the same time they also say well there are no studies that show they actually work.

If you are going to make recommendations, it should be based on data/science. And yet they cannot at this time point to studies showing this. Which is why they both state more research needs to be done.

If masks worked, they would be pointing to the various studies supporting their suggestion people wear masks.

Prior to covid there however has been decades of studies related to masks and another similar virus (the flu). And they found that masks didn't work.
 
espola said:
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I gave you a variety of links a few days ago as to why there is no reason to be wearing masks when vaccinated.

www.kxan.com

CDC: Evidence suggests fully vaccinated people do not transmit COVID-19

More data is emerging about how effective COVID-19 vaccines are at making sure people do not get sick and reducing the chances they get others sick.
www.kxan.com www.kxan.com

But the most important part of the recent CDC findings is that vaccinated people are very unlikely to suffer asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections. Participants in the study who were fully vaccinated with the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccines were 90% less likely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2. Of infections that did occur, only 10.7 percent were asymptomatic. Taken together, this means vaccinated people are highly unlikely to transmit the virus when they are not suffering symptoms.

fortune.com

It's official: Vaccinated people don't spread COVID-19

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky this week declared that "vaccinated people do not carry the virus."
fortune.com fortune.com
 
Kicker4Life said:
That small part of the population, the Elderly, Overweight (definitely a self treatable condition) and the Immunocompromised all could have chosen to stay at home, have the community help support their needs and/or protect themselves should they need to leave their protected spaces.
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THIS.

That was the logical option from the beginning. We failed to follow logic.
 
Meanwhile over at The Hall of Justice...... lol!!! Wow, I didnt know Rudy got rolled up on the other day. By a show of hands, how many of you think Rudy will turn on Mr. T? This guy thinks Rudy will flip & snitch on t, what say you? Also, HB will be teaching a class on "fake news" in the Fall and Espola will be reporting back what he has learned from Professor Hunter.

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