President Joe Biden

Grace T. said:
Jim Wright the speaker of the house that died in 2015?
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No Jim Wright of Florida. Before t's treasonous behavior started, he was best known for making custom fountain pens and similar objects --

Olivewood Double Twist Atlas Stonekettle Pens - Etsy

Rich golden olivewood with black tiger striping. Gold kit. Atlas double twist style. Sleek and stylish. Hand turned, then assembled by hand with a high quality mechanism. The pen uses Cross-style refills that come in a variety of colors and inks. Pen ships with black gel ink cartridge. Laser etched
www.etsy.com www.etsy.com
 
Grace T. said:
Well, you tell me. What do you support and don't. I'm not the one trying to prove he's a "classical conservative". I've already told you I don't believe you are just a lefty liberal troll, but rather a confused curmudgeon. You seem to be going out of your way to prove my point.
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Curmudgeon, perhaps, but there is nothing confused about it.
 
espola said:
No Jim Wright of Florida. Before t's treasonous behavior started, he was best known for making custom fountain pens and similar objects --

Olivewood Double Twist Atlas Stonekettle Pens - Etsy

Rich golden olivewood with black tiger striping. Gold kit. Atlas double twist style. Sleek and stylish. Hand turned, then assembled by hand with a high quality mechanism. The pen uses Cross-style refills that come in a variety of colors and inks. Pen ships with black gel ink cartridge. Laser etched
www.etsy.com www.etsy.com
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This is his twitter self-description --

My name is Jim Wright, I'm retired US Military intelligence officer and nowadays a professional political writer -- as most of my readers know.

There's no link in my profile because I got tired of death threats and lunatics following me home.
 
espola said:
No Jim Wright of Florida. Before t's treasonous behavior started, he was best known for making custom fountain pens and similar objects --

Olivewood Double Twist Atlas Stonekettle Pens - Etsy

Rich golden olivewood with black tiger striping. Gold kit. Atlas double twist style. Sleek and stylish. Hand turned, then assembled by hand with a high quality mechanism. The pen uses Cross-style refills that come in a variety of colors and inks. Pen ships with black gel ink cartridge. Laser etched
www.etsy.com www.etsy.com
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Well, in classic Magoo style, that's kind of a curveball out of no where. O.k. if being a classical conservative making fountain pens and similar objects (which I assume you are into), fine you are a "classical conservative" <head pat>
 
Grace T. said:
no, like the Antifa rioters before them, you round up and prosecute those that actually rioted. Trump didn’t legally incite...his speech called for peaceful protest and he told them to go home...barring some other evidence legally it ain’t there...anymore than sanders can be said to have incited the scalise shooting or Harris the Antifa violence.
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The false equivalency between racial justice protests and insurrection are laughable at best, but the right keep throwing it up there hoping the ill-informed will buy in.
 
Grace T. said:
no, like the Antifa rioters before them, you round up and prosecute those that actually rioted. Trump didn’t legally incite...his speech called for peaceful protest and he told them to go home...barring some other evidence legally it ain’t there...anymore than sanders can be said to have incited the scalise shooting or Harris the Antifa violence.
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Sucker
 
espola said:
convict Trump of violent insurrection because his insane and violent followers have threatened to rise up in violent insurrection and murder you and then burn down the country, well, you know, THAT seems like it might be the exact reason Trump should be convicted.
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I find it interesting how the word insurrection gets tossed around by people who think they are smart in the media/dem party.

It wasn't an insurrection by any standard other than saying so for political purposes and then having their followers dutifully repeat the term. You had a couple hundred people at most break into the congressional building. Most it seems walked around talking selfies. A few took some momentos. All should be prosecuted.

That however is not an insurrection. The same people tossing that term around so casually are the same ones saying fascist, racist, etc day in and day out.

Trump didn't incite violence. Read or watch the speech.

To pretend otherwise means you didn't bother reading or watching it, and are simply taking your clues from people with an agenda.
 
Desert Hound said:
That however is not an insurrection. The same people tossing that term around so casually are the same ones saying fascist, racist, etc day in and day out.
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I'm not sure in espola's case he honestly understands the meaning of any of these terms and their nuances. He's just parroting. He can't even define what he means by "classic conservative". He just points to this other crazy curmudgeon that makes pens and whose banner reads "don't just embrace the crazy....slide up next to it and lick it's ear." If all the cuckoo birds are even still in the clock, they aren't all flying in the same direction.
 
Desert Hound said:
I find it interesting how the word insurrection gets tossed around by people who think they are smart in the media/dem party.

It wasn't an insurrection by any standard other than saying so for political purposes and then having their followers dutifully repeat the term. You had a couple hundred people at most break into the congressional building. Most it seems walked around talking selfies. A few took some momentos. All should be prosecuted.

That however is not an insurrection. The same people tossing that term around so casually are the same ones saying fascist, racist, etc day in and day out.

Capitol. I watched his speech were
To pretend otherwise means you didn't bother reading or watching it, and are simply taking your clues from people with an agenda.
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I watched his speech, the one where he told the rioters to go to the Capitol and not be "weak" after others had whipped up the crowd with words like "trial by combaT" and "take names and kick ass". I also watched him dancing around gleefully to televised reports of the riot while the rioters were committing murder in the Capitol. I watched his speech when he told the rioters "We love you".
 
Grace T. said:
I'm not sure in espola's case he honestly understands the meaning of any of these terms and their nuances. He's just parroting. He can't even define what he means by "classic conservative". He just points to this other crazy curmudgeon that makes pens and whose banner reads "don't just embrace the crazy....slide up next to it and lick it's ear." If all the cuckoo birds are even still in the clock, they aren't all flying in the same direction.
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I have posted my definition of classic conservatism many times before, even in direct responses to you. You can look it up.
 
espola said:
I watched his speech, the one where he told the rioters to go to the Capitol and not be "weak" after others had whipped up the crowd with words like "trial by combaT" and "take names and kick ass". I also watched him dancing around gleefully to televised reports of the riot while the rioters were committing murder in the Capitol. I watched his speech when he told the rioters "We love you".
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None of that rises to the legal standard of incitement. Struggle words are often used in political speech. If that weren't the case then Biden is in an impeachable situation for saying he would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school. What matters is he specifically said to the protestors:
"will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make our voices heard" and that he never instructed them to violate any law, enter the Capitol or do violence.

espola said:
I have posted my definition of classic conservatism many times before, even in direct responses to you. You can look it up.
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Yeah, but never coherently, which as I was just telling DH, is the problem with you (and why you are a Magoo).
 
Grace T. said:
None of that rises to the legal standard of incitement. Struggle words are often used in political speech. If that weren't the case then Biden is in an impeachable situation for saying he would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school. What matters is he specifically said to the protestors:
"will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make our voices heard" and that he never instructed them to violate any law, enter the Capitol or do violence.



Yeah, but never coherently, which as I was just telling DH, is the problem with you (and why you are a Magoo).
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There's that word "legal" again.

What is not coherent about what I posted? Are you afraid to look it up?
 
espola said:
There's that word "legal" again.

What is not coherent about what I posted? Are you afraid to look it up?
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Legal is all we really have to go on. It's separate from the question of "moral".

As to what you posted, all I remember is you and the crazy pen guy and Nixon. Don't really care that much about you to waste an hour hunting and look it up. <head pat>
 
Grace T. said:
Legal is all we really have to go on. It's separate from the question of "moral".

As to what you posted, all I remember is you and the crazy pen guy and Nixon. Don't really care that much about you to waste an hour hunting and look it up. <head pat>
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It seems to be a recurring tactic of yours to tell lies about someone and then claim that it is too much work to show the basis for your opinions.
 
espola said:
It seems to be a recurring tactic of yours to tell lies about someone and then claim that it is too much work to show the basis for your opinions.
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It's funny (given your motto is so truthy) that you think I deal in tactics at all. That would ascribe more care than I give to you. Again, I look upon you as a confused lost curmudgeon, not some great opponent that I'm wagging some kind of half-assed tactical struggle with. Poor Magoo.
 
Grace T. said:
It's funny (given your motto is so truthy) that you think I deal in tactics at all. That would ascribe more care than I give to you. Again, I look upon you as a confused lost curmudgeon, not some great opponent that I'm wagging some kind of half-assed tactical struggle with. Poor Magoo.
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Another of your tactics is personal insults when you have nothing material to back up your position.

Shouldn't a graduate of one of the top law schools in the country know better than that? How would a judge react to similar behavior in a courtroom?
 
Grace T. said:
None of that rises to the legal standard of incitement. Struggle words are often used in political speech. If that weren't the case then Biden is in an impeachable situation for saying he would beat the hell out of Trump if in high school. What matters is he specifically said to the protestors:
"will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make our voices heard" and that he never instructed them to violate any law, enter the Capitol or do violence.



Yeah, but never coherently, which as I was just telling DH, is the problem with you (and why you are a Magoo).
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What did they convict Al Capone of? Charles Manson?
In 1971, he was convicted of first-degree murderand conspiracy to commit murder for the deaths of seven people, including the film actress Sharon Tate. The prosecution contended that, while Manson never directly ordered the murders, his ideology constituted an overt act of conspiracy.
 
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