the gap is widening misunderstands the dynamic that’s going on. The rs are moving away from being the party of corporate money and foreign wars. The Reagan coalition has been shattered. Obama almost built a new coalition with a permanent majority but he lost working class voters (including minority voters which we’ve noticed a shift in the 2020 election). The d coalition by its nature is unstable: the rich, the suburbs and the poor. It works for example on immigration (cheap labor for the rich in construction and services, recent immigrants get legalization and bringing relatives over, Latino groups expand power). It works less when say groups begin to conflict (like college admissions of Asian demands v African Americans and Latinos). A realignment is very much in play and is based on 3 pillars: election rules (who votes which is why it’s existential), a beloved leader capable of inspiring broad swaths and growing the coalition (Trump and Biden aint it; neither Harris or Pence) and policies which can shape the coalition and which may very well be shaped by outside events such as the pandemic riots or foreign wars.
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the gap is widening misunderstands the dynamic that’s going on. The rs are moving away from being the party of corporate money and foreign wars. The Reagan coalition has been shattered. Obama almost built a new coalition with a permanent majority but he lost working class voters (including minority voters which we’ve noticed a shift in the 2020 election). The d coalition by its nature is unstable: the rich, the suburbs and the poor. It works for example on immigration (cheap labor for the rich in construction and services, recent immigrants get legalization and bringing relatives over, Latino groups expand power). It works less when say groups begin to conflict (like college admissions of Asian demands v African Americans and Latinos). A realignment is very much in play and is based on 3 pillars: election rules (who votes which is why it’s existential), a beloved leader capable of inspiring broad swaths and growing the coalition (Trump and Biden aint it; neither Harris or Pence) and policies which can shape the coalition and which may very well be shaped by outside events such as the pandemic riots or foreign wars.
You expected him to play "Mother, may I?" with Mitch?
Didn't seem likely.
I do agree something has been lost. But I can't blame just one side.
We would be much better off had there been a Justice Bork and a Justice Garland.
Once again we don’t really disagree (just in tenor and tone mostly). I also don’t think there’s very much of unity here though I agree unity is a 2 way street.
Hüsker Dü
DA
Does unity mean forgetting the insurrection and quickly moving on?
whatithink
GOLD
Corporate money could swing either way (& swings both ways) at the drop of a hat. Corporations have zero political allegiance. They want stability and, frankly, control. T was not stable - he did a lot that the corporations really like, traditional conservative policies on tax and regulations, and then he did things they hate, on trade tariffs and fostering instability, not traditional conservative policies. Rs moving away from foreign wars is very funny - there are a plethora of R hawks.
As for your coalitions - the poor and working class will get shafted either way (see corporations), the rich will get richer either way and the middle class have a block that can swing either way (they just swung D because they couldn't take T anymore). Politicians like cultural wars because they don't get judged on policy. This isn't uniquely American, you can see the same thing in Europe, e.g. see the UK & Brexit.
Desert Hound
DA
Actually that quote comes from a bit further back.
"“Elections have consequences. I won.” That was President Barack Obama’s response to congressional Republicans in a 2009 White House meeting regarding his economic proposals."
The SCOTUS nomination clearly demonstrates that elections have consequences
The idea that elections have consequences has not been lost on grassroots Republicans — in fact it has been a driving force behind what has animated the Republican base since 2009.
thehill.com
whatithink
GOLD
Sure, but it was widely quoted in Oct/Nov with filling the SCOTUS seat, that's what I was referring to.Actually that quote comes from a bit further back.
"“Elections have consequences. I won.” That was President Barack Obama’s response to congressional Republicans in a 2009 White House meeting regarding his economic proposals."
The SCOTUS nomination clearly demonstrates that elections have consequences
The idea that elections have consequences has not been lost on grassroots Republicans — in fact it has been a driving force behind what has animated the Republican base since 2009.
no, like the Antifa rioters before them, you round up and prosecute those that actually rioted. Trump didn’t legally incite...his speech called for peaceful protest and he told them to go home...barring some other evidence legally it ain’t there...anymore than sanders can be said to have incited the scalise shooting or Harris the Antifa violence.
The r party is moving towards trade protectionism, is hostile to illegal immigration, and populism. Corporations (for fear of the sanders economic liberal wing) are moving to embrace diversity wokeism. Big corps like McConnell Cheney Romney type republicanism but are increasingly tilting d
you’ve basically outlined the problem for the d coalition in the tensions between rich and poor since those form the 2 poles of their governance. The suburban Upper middle class is also not going back r as long as they embrace the populist America first rabble. The d coalition is bigger but more unstable....it’s been held together this round because Biden campaigned from his basement and was an Everyman to everyone (remember him promising to ban fracking then saying fracking was ok???)
Fascist bullshit.
“oh Magoo you’ve done it again!”
Your comments are not going to age well.
kind of like you,huh?
Desert Hound
DA
I understand. And when they (the Rs) made that comment it was in part a reference to what Obama said. As in remember what you guys told us just a few short years ago?
I have posted nothing to be ashamed of. You, on the other hand, are supporting an attempt to overthrow the best government the world has ever seen.
Oh Magoo once again you can’t see
I said those that engaged in storming the capitol should be prosecuted. I don’t see any legal basis though for charging trump with incitement (and such a broad standard if it did exist would equitably demand sanders harris and waters all be charged as well). The only basis I really see for impeachment is if he told pence to disregard the constitution while presiding over the senate but we don’t know what was said between the 2 men since pence has been very hush hush
guess you aren’t ashamed of mischaracterizing people and libeling them
Poor confused Magoo.
"his speech called for peaceful protest and he told them to go home"
That's either ignorant or a lie. Pick one.
in the speech he specifically said to go to the capitol peacefully and patriotically
when the riot started he went on Twitter and tv and told them to go home
not ashamed of being a lefty curmudgeon troll either?
Scott m Shurson
SILVER ELITE
Unlike Anderson Vanderbilt Cooper, right? Moron.
When the riot started? How many people were dead by then?
After the big lie, the little lies come easily.