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watfly said:
You might want to check the WAPO database of police shootings before you make that statement. My apologies for letting facts get in the way of a good emotional argument.


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That BLM thing seems to be working.
 
espola said:
That BLM thing seems to be working.
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Why? Is the traditional family, with 2 parents and a value placed on education and hard work, becoming even less desirable?

Working to rile up stupid people that don’t know the statistics. Maybe the criminals are finally realizing their profession has consequences.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
Why? Is the traditional family, with 2 parents and a value placed on education and hard work, becoming even less desirable?

Working to rile up stupid people that don’t know the statistics. Maybe the criminals are finally realizing their profession has consequences.
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This appears to have been written by a random phrase selection robot.
 
EOTL said:
You forgot to include the thousands of incidents involving people who’ve been murdered by both police and private citizens based on the color of their skin or sexual orientation. You have missed the millions of incidents in which people have been deprived of equal employment, housing and educational opportunity because of their skin color.

Seriously, the lengths to which magats will go to rationalize and defend what happened last Wed is insane. Look, here are examples to prove black people are bad, so it’s ok to overthrow the government!
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You mean violent criminals that fought with police? Please provide some names of the innocent.
 
Yours in futbol said:
So based on what I assume is a comprehensive list, 1 officer was killed throughout the entirety of the 2020 riots.

And that 1 officer was killed by Dave Patrick Underwood, a MAGAt/bogoloo boy.

Is that correct?
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David Dorn was a black cop killed, by black rioters, defending some businesses during BLM riots. He’s not a heroic darling of the media, though, like George Floyd or Jacob Blake. Good guys don’t sell news these days.
 
espola said:
Breonna Taylor.
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Innocent of what? Are you uneducated about how she aided and abetted her former boyfriend in doing his drug deals? Bummer. Who knew being a drug dealer was illegal or dangerous? Might be a good idea to not hide drugs, drug money or a drug dealer in your apartment.

Here’s a tip... don’t shoot at police. They may just shoot back.
 
Scott m Shurson said:
Innocent of what? Are you uneducated about how she aided and abetted her former boyfriend in doing his drug deals? Bummer. Who knew being a drug dealer was illegal or dangerous? Might be a good idea to not hide drugs, drug money or a drug dealer in your apartment.

Here’s a tip... don’t shoot at police. They may just shoot back.
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You are not a supporter of second amendment rights and the principle of defending the home against intruders?
 
watfly said:
The far right and the far left are equally responsible for threats to our democracy. While what each side did is optically different, they are not substantively different. Both were an extreme assault on democracy and the rule of law. Anyone who attempts to diminish, rationalize, or justify on the basis of subjective differences is part of the problem. This isn't about whataboutism, its about what objectively happened over the last year. Neither party can be defined by their extremes. I think most of us are moderates and lean a little left or a little right. Trump was a false prophet and needs to be treated as such. Can we not at least find common ground with the fact the Trump's rhetoric was reprehensible and that he doesn't deserve to hold the office of President? While I personally don't believe he should be hung in the public square (why make him a martyr), I do understand the sentiment to do so. As far as I'm concerned he was impeached by US Citizens on November 3, 2020.
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I'm 99% with everything you wrote. I think what would help me get across the finish line is to better understand who we collectively think are the extremists, regardless of "side". The challenge I have is if you look at Trump's base there's a lot to unpack there. Reagan embraced the religious right, which was fine in my view. Trump, though, has embraced white nationalists, Qanon conspiracy theroists, militias, etc. In my mind it doesn't matter if these people care about Trump, the point is they voted for Trump. Now, you have republicans battling for those votes. I have a really hard time envisioning Bush Jr. or republicans before him being ok with this. Obviously on the left you have the antifa movement, but what are some other extremist groups I'm missing here?
 
espola said:
You are not a supporter of second amendment rights and the principle of defending the home against intruders?
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If you help a drug dealer and use your home to do it, you waive your right to defend your home against police officers doing their jobs. If you shoot at them, you waive your right to continue breathing.

Maybe you should google the transcripts of her phone calls with the piece of shit when he was in jail. She wasn’t innocent of anything.

You have any other names of innocent criminals?
 
NorCalDad said:
I'm 99% with everything you wrote. I think what would help me get across the finish line is to better understand who we collectively think are the extremists, regardless of "side". The challenge I have is if you look at Trump's base there's a lot to unpack there. Reagan embraced the religious right, which was fine in my view. Trump, though, has embraced white nationalists, Qanon conspiracy theroists, militias, etc. In my mind it doesn't matter if these people care about Trump, the point is they voted for Trump. Now, you have republicans battling for those votes. I have a really hard time envisioning Bush Jr. or republicans before him being ok with this. Obviously on the left you have the antifa movement, but what are some other extremist groups I'm missing here?
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Oh come on...you have the BLM groups too (not all of them, but remember espola took pains to point out the one leftist infiltrator I pointed out in the Capitol was BLM, not Antifa....and yes I'd apply the same standard to the Proud Boys). There's also the Black Panthers, the Black Guerilla Family and elements of the Nation of Islam (which in particular have been out and outright antisemetic). We Latinos also have several groups, including some dedicated to the forced retaking of Atzlan, which they maintain was forcibly stolen from Mexico.
 
Grace T. said:
Oh come on...you have the BLM groups too (not all of them, but remember espola took pains to point out the one leftist infiltrator I pointed out in the Capitol was BLM, not Antifa....and yes I'd apply the same standard to the Proud Boys). There's also the Black Panthers, the Black Guerilla Family and elements of the Nation of Islam (which in particular have been out and outright antisemetic). We Latinos also have several groups, including some dedicated to the forced retaking of Atzlan, which they maintain was forcibly stolen from Mexico.
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My question was sincere. Not sure where the "Oh come on.." is coming from.

But from your response, you're suggesting BLM is one of those extremist groups we should put on the "list"?
 
NorCalDad said:
I'm 99% with everything you wrote. I think what would help me get across the finish line is to better understand who we collectively think are the extremists, regardless of "side". The challenge I have is if you look at Trump's base there's a lot to unpack there. Reagan embraced the religious right, which was fine in my view. Trump, though, has embraced white nationalists, Qanon conspiracy theroists, militias, etc. In my mind it doesn't matter if these people care about Trump, the point is they voted for Trump. Now, you have republicans battling for those votes. I have a really hard time envisioning Bush Jr. or republicans before him being ok with this. Obviously on the left you have the antifa movement, but what are some other extremist groups I'm missing here?
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I don't think the who's who or number of groups is relevant, that's my point (and I can provide ample evidence of other left wing extremists that contributed to the violence). I could argue that far more acts of violence were committed by the left than the right, but that's irrelevant. I could also argue that on the whole Trump rally's were far more peaceful than BLM and Antifa protests...until they weren't. I could argue that the right responded immediately with law and order, while the left refused to when their constituents rioted. Those arguments are unproductive to resolving the problem of mob violence and political unrest. We have to stop fighting on that hill of whose violence is less heinous, or "more justified". We have to stop pretending there is some gray area of political violence, because there is not.

Maybe some Republicans are fighting for the votes of white nationalists, Qanon or right wing militias, I don't see that based on the almost universal condemnation from the Republicans of the violence (I'm excluding those that "condemned" with a wink and a nod).
 
NorCalDad said:
My question was sincere. Not sure where the "Oh come on.." is coming from.

But from your response, you're suggesting BLM is one of those extremist groups we should put on the "list"?
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I think they are a grey group...and yes I think the Proud Boys are too. Life's not all black and white.

p.s. to the extent they are antisemetic, those particular leftist groups thaqt are antisemitic should be on the list
 
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